With elective procedures delayed, UnitedHealth profit spikes
Source: AP
By TOM MURPHY
The nations largest health insurer more than doubled its second-quarter profit, as COVID-19 shutdowns kept patients out of doctors offices and off operating tables.
UnitedHealths medical costs tumbled 11% to $34.68 billion with demand for care suppressed from the middle of March until May. Toward the end of the quarter, however, a more normalized levels of care was returning.
UnitedHealth Group Inc. earned $6.64 billion in the three-month window that ended June 30, or nearly half of what it earned all last year. Adjusted earnings totaled $7.12 per share. That easily beat the $5.28 that Wall Street had expected, according to a poll by FactSet.
Total revenue climbed about 3% to $62.14 billion, falling short of analyst expectations for $63.48 billion.
FILE - This Oct. 16, 2012, file photo, shows a portion of the UnitedHealth Group Inc.'s campus in Minnetonka, Minn. UnitedHealth Group reports financial results Wednesday, Jan. 15, 2020. (AP Photo/Jim Mone, File)
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moose65
(3,167 posts)The fact that they made almost 7 billion dollars in PROFIT in only three months tell us all we need to know.
Health insurance companies should be forced to be non-profit. That 7 billion could have paid for a LOT of procedures.
DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Much like the auto insurance companies did because people were driving less.
ananda
(28,866 posts)It was only about $25, but better than nothing.
DFW
(54,405 posts)They refused almost every claim we put in, including, of course, all of mine from Europe, even though the bigger ones were a third the cost of what they would have been in the States. Blue Cross, what we have now, only denies 90% of my claims now, and actually covers some of our claims in the States.
I think United was the basis for John Grishams Great Benefit.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)They sent me advertising for their Medicare Advantage program, as I will be turning 65 in a few months.
I wish there was some sort of independent rating service of the various providers. I'm going to see my doctor next month, and I plan on asking the fellow who works in the billing office which one or ones are better, and which ones to avoid, but he may be prohibited by office policy from telling me anything.
And to try to find out what the premiums are is like trying to steal secrets from the Department of Defense! They don't put that information in print or online, you have to go through a high-pressure sales call to possibly get that information.
DFW
(54,405 posts)I'm still working full time, so there are plenty of programs I'm sure I don't qualify for, although I get offers in the mail from providers multiple times a month. The more they offer "at no additional cost to you," the less I believe them.
"You may qualify for a free lunch for the rest of your life!" But in all likelihood, it's, "once you sign up with us, you will pay hundreds of dollars a month, only to be denied any additional coverage whatsoever."
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Or, they give you a few perks in Year One, then raise the premiums on you and cut back services as time goes on, thinking that you'll stay with them out of inertia.
DFW
(54,405 posts)But the whole business model of an insurance company is to take in more than they pay out. Otherwise, there is no sense in the whole concept. I imagine they all have their whiz kid investment guys playing with the deposited money doing day trading or whatever with some of the funds. But the basic principle is counter-intuitive in raw form. Why should a company be content to accept $3000 a year from you for 50 years until such day as you need $750,000 to cover some drastic medical procedure? Seems like a risky prospect to me, unless they have measures in place to deny people the coverage described in their fancy brochures.
The only way for them to not go bankrupt is for them to take in more than they pay out. There are incentives they can offer, such as reduced premiums to non-smokers, etc. But they want to know things such as family history and pre-existing conditions, which could increase the likelihood of your needing really expensive care in the future. This hit me in the face when I moved to Germany. When my data got evaluated by the German insurance company that handled people in my category of age, income, work situation and family history, they offered me coverage at 2500 a month, or about $35,000 a year. Rather a hefty yearly premium, don't you think? When people come on here and tell you everything is free in Europe, you know how much of THAT to believe.
Of the arguments for and against health insurance being handled exclusively by a government, one of the best ones in favor is that no one will be denying you coverage or treatment because you are a "bad deal" for them. One of the best arguments against is that the more ANYTHING becomes bureaucratized, the less efficient it becomes, and an unfriendly (spelled R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C-A-N) government could always defund a health service to the point where the waiting times for treatment become a death sentence. Sort of like food in the Soviet Union. The price was cheap because the government subsidized it, but there were always such shortages that the people had to stand in interminable lines to get any, and the stores often ran out before everyone could buy what they wanted. If I had been employed by a German employer, under the standard health insurance that many Germans are covered under, I would have been dead in 2004. Because I told the cardiologist that I was from the USA, passing through, and would pay cash up front, my "first available appointment" was moved up from two months in the future to quarter after 5 that same afternoon. Three days later, I was in a hospital getting emergency stents put into my heart's forward arteries. Without that, I would have been dead within a week. The guy who put the stents in said I was the luckiest guy in Europe that day, as I could have been dead as soon as a day later.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)At times, I think of insurance as a Ponzi scheme that has not yet hit the point where it all collapses.
DFW
(54,405 posts)You make people take sensible measures to prevent it, and hope that the cases where it happens anyway are few.
But with health, and the costs associated with it, especially in the USA, I dont get how they expect to make a profit except by denying people coverage they thought they had paid for.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)...is used in low risk line of credit lending and capital lending to other corporations.
This keeps cash available as claims are filed but without sitting on bundles of nonproductive cash.
The lending on LOC is very short term. A week or 10 days.
Lend $2 million, get it back in 10 days plus an eighth of a percent.
They make 5 or 6% a year with very little risk, and investment tied up for a few days.
It's a huge part of their business model.
DFW
(54,405 posts)As it should be. The last thing these people need to be doing is making risky investments with cash they might need to make liquid in short order.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)...including long term holdings, but they stay with stable stocks. And they can't invest in the companies to whom they lend credit. It's an SEC thing.
At least it was. Not certain it still is given the two silverspoon twits we've endured over 20 years.
My financial analysis project for the MBA my company paid for was on the investment and cash flow modeling of the insurance industry.
I assume my conclusions were sound because I did get an A! LOL!
But, the reading & interviews taught me way more about how insurance firms handle & make money than I wanted to know!
Also, I knew plenty of actuaries when I was a member of the American Statistical Society. (1984 to 2017)
I still correspond with 4 of them.
Without being an insider, I can almost assure you they don't have a fleet of day traders messing around with risky buys. That would he stupid! And, they don't make those kinds of profits by being dumb about money.
We may not like the notion of this extra layer of nonvalue added activity. But, that doesn't make the people who work there foolish.
moose65
(3,167 posts)I think it's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Aren't they private plans that are offered to Medicare patients? I don't know the history, but I suspect they were proposed as another "choice" but in reality someone is making a lot of money off of them.
Now that I think about it, wasn't there something in the ACA that cut payments to Medicare Advantage? That's how the Republicans were able to say that Obama cut billions from "Medicare" to fund Obamacare, IIRC.
ProfessorGAC
(65,076 posts)I handle the health care money. (She handles the rest, except relies on me to check balances & upcoming autopay events.)
She's been on it for 2 years, and it has worked out quite nicely.
IronLionZion
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(2,312 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Dreampuff
(778 posts)And I was on a 3-year plan with them and my premium was supposed to stay the same. It will actually end very soon, before my 3 years, because I will go on Medicare as soon as I turn 65. Like I said, my premium was not supposed to increase during that time and a couple of months ago they increased it by $100 per month. A couple of months later they offered a 5% to 20% discount to both single-payer customers and businesses. I only ended up with the 5% discount, but my premium was still higher then before the increase.
CarePlus. That is the advantage plan my husband is on and the one I plan on going with. Just a disclaimer because I don't sell insurance and have no stake in someone getting this. I also get plenty of literature about United Healthcare, but they just don't seem to be able to compete.
noneof_theabove
(410 posts)Been on Medicare and a good UH plan G since Aug 2019.
I just got a letter yesterday that they are upping my rate next month.
Don't recall my insurance advisor [personal not thru phone scam] telling me that this is an "introductory" offer, hang on to you ass next year.
Kind of like the Cable Co.
Get cable for $69.99/mth [fine print at bottom of TV -- "when bundled"]
Called them.
So what is it without bundling?
Don't know you must bundle.
How much is it with telephone? [it is much less than internet]
It is $19.99/mth.
So that is $89.98?
Yes
How much is the 13th month?
Don't know you will have to wait for your bill.
Scamming your customers is the biggest business there is.
Found out the up the bill $20/mth every year FOR EVER.
Futile to try and get a lower price.
You have to drop service address for 30 days.
Only problem is I'm in a monopoly city and they, city utilities, Fontier [old Verizon] are the only game in town]