White House defends Trump's claim (...) with chart showing 5 percent are fatal

[TomCADem]

Source: Yahoo News

White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany came to her press briefing on Monday prepared to defend President Trump’s claim over the weekend that “99 percent” of U.S. coronavirus cases are “totally harmless” with two charts illustrating the country’s COVID-19 death rate.

But McEnany’s slides showed a case fatality rate — the percentage of confirmed cases that result in death — of 4.6 percent, not the 1 percent implied by Trump.

During a July 4 “Salute to America” speech on the South Lawn of the White House, Trump boasted that the administration has conducted more than 40 million coronavirus tests.

“But by so doing, we show cases, 99 percent of which are totally harmless,” Trump added.

Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/trump-99-percent-coronavirus-cases-totally-harmless-claim-mcenany-white-house-191725001.html

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Separate and apart from the fatality rate, about 1 in 4 diagnosed cases of COVID-19 result in the hospitalization of the patient.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6924e2.htm

Cumulative incidence, 403.6 cases per 100,000 persons,¶ was similar among males (401.1) and females (406.0) and highest among persons aged ?80 years (902.0).

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

The overall cumulative COVID-19 hospitalization rate is 102.5 per 100,000, with the highest rates in people aged 65 years and older (306.7 per 100,000) and 50-64 years (155.0 per 100,000).

[flibbitygiblets]

1. Even at 1%, that's over 3 million dead. At 4.6%, 15 million people could die.

if everyone gets it, and at this point, it's looking that way (thanks Republicans!).

And that's not even getting into people who will end up with long-term health conditions, which could be another 60 million or so.
Or the fallout from having our healthcare systems swamped with patients.

[SergeStorms]

9. As an aside....

where did you find that gif with Trump being knocked ass over tea kettle by the footballer? I love it!

[jmowreader]

19. Here's the whole thing

[SergeStorms]

25. Thanks, I'd never seen that before.

It looks so darned real, I can't get over it.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

2. The more testing we do, the more we uncover the ones who

get infected but have few or no symptoms. I believe that at present, the actual mortality rate is under 1%. Of course, if every single person in this country gets it, and 1% die, that will be over 3 million deaths.

[TomCADem]

6. Official U.S. coronavirus death toll is 'a substantial undercount' of actual tally, Yale study finds

A counter argument could be made that there is a substantial under count of people who have died due to COVID-19 as this new study showed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/01/official-us-coronavirus-death-toll-is-a-substantial-undercount-of-actual-tally-new-yale-study-finds.html

The number of confirmed U.S. deaths due to the coronavirus is substantially lower than the true tally, according to a study published Wednesday in JAMA Internal Medicine.

Using National Center for Health Statistics data, researchers at Yale University compared the number of excess U.S. deaths from any causes with the reported number of weekly U.S. Covid-19 deaths from March 1 through May 30. The numbers were then compared with deaths from the same period in previous years.

Researchers found that the excess number of deaths over normal levels also exceeded those attributed to Covid-19, leading them to conclude that many of those fatalities were likely caused by the coronavirus but not confirmed. State reporting discrepancies and a sharp increase in U.S. deaths amid a pandemic suggest the number of Covid-19 fatalities is undercounted, they said.

“Our analyses suggest that the official tally of deaths due to Covid-19 represent a substantial undercount of the true burden,” Dan Weinberger, an epidemiologist at Yale School of Public Health and a lead author of the study, told CNBC. Weinberger said other factors could contribute to the increase in deaths, such as people avoiding emergency treatment for things like heart attacks. However, he doesn’t think that is the main driver.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

7. Right now the official death count probably is underreported.

The best way, down the road, we're going to be able to estimate how many have died will be to simply look at excess deaths over those of a similar time frame before the appearance of Covid-19. Of course, not all the excess deaths will be from it, as people will be dying from other things that aren't getting treated because they're unwilling to go to hospital for fear of catching it, or because they don't get some life-saving treatment because the medical community is so tied up with treating the disease.

Which is in part why obsessing over day to day numbers is not very useful. Heck, a century after the 1918 flu pandemic experts are still widely apart in their estimates of how many died.

[scarytomcat]

11. harmless?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

16. I'm not suggesting the virus is harmless,

if that's what you're trying to suggest.

I am pointing out that this is hardly killing or even maiming a significant percentage of those who get it, given that so many have few or no symptoms.

If, as is claimed, there's no permanent immunity conferred, then we really are all in trouble. However, I think if that were the case it would start being obvious as people who'd gotten it, had symptoms, then recovered, would be starting to get sick again. The idea that no permanent immunity happens is based on the fact that at least some people can get sick later on from the exact same cold corona virus that made them sick at some earlier time. We simply don't know if that's true for this corona virus.

[scarytomcat]

21. I was referencing Pres Dipshit's comment that is in the original post

but it went along with what you were saying
We are in total agreement on this.

[progree]

3. Of all U.S. Closed Cases, 9% have died and 91% have recovered

according to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/. The remaining cases are Active Cases, and some percent of those will eventually die. (All cases are either active cases or closed cases)

Worldometers doesn't have hospitalization stuff. But Minnesota does, and in Minnesota, for every death, there are 2.86 hospitalizations. I would consider a hospitalization as something other than "totally harmless". Particularly considering all the reports of people who have recovered but have seriously damaged lungs and/or other organs, blood clotting, etc.

Details: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2530930

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

17. What I wonder about is if the active cases,

currently 1.5 million for the U.S., include all those who have simply tested positive but have had no symptoms.

I think somehow separating out those who have any symptoms, up to and including death, from those who test positive and are always asymptomatic would be in any way useful. For one thing, if we can possibly figure out why some -- actually a large majority of those who test positive -- remain asymptomatic, we might be on the way to an effective vaccine. Unless it's just the random and cruel quirk of individual immune systems.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

4. Let's get back to basic scientific fact.

It has not yet been scientifically proven that ANY case of the COVID-19 virus is totally harmless to long-term human health. Therefore, tRump's statement is 100% wrong and a lie.

If it's a "case" then that means an infection and only massive, international scientific studies will determine what long-term effects these infections have on a broad spectrum of humanity.

What Trump and his bimbos say about this disease is irrelevant. They need to stop speaking as medical professionals and we should let our state and federal representatives know of out disgust over this practice.

KY

[TomCADem]

5. CNN: Covid-19 survivor barely recognized himself after coma

Just because you survive COVID-19 and are even making steps to recovery, there can be lingering effects. Of course, if a person with COVID-19 is hospitalized, then the after effects could be even more profound:

[usajumpedtheshark]

8. Not much talk about

The financial impact on thedo patient or the pain and suffering of the patient and family. It doesn't have to kill you to ruin lives

[turbinetree]

10. And as Lawrence O'Donnell said last night they asked the "press' propagandist

yesterday 38 questions on this issue which she danced around, and not one , not one question about the bounties of servicemen and and woman...................

[lagomorph777]

13. What the fuck? The bounty scandal needs to be front and center.

Trump should be sent to Mar-A-Gitmo for it. Why is the White House Stenographer Corps ignoring it?

[turbinetree]

22. My question is why didn't the press corp in that meeting not ask

as a someone that grew up in the military..........this just pisses me off to no end he and this cabal need to be sent to the Florence Colorado and spend some time in that prison.................

[dalton99a]

18. +1

[lagomorph777]

12. Hey MAGAninny, you're scaring us worse! You are admitting it's 5 times worse than Turd said.

And that's only if we pretend that those who don't actually die, are perfectly fine, and they fully recover. Which is very far from the truth.

[thesquanderer]

15. Right. Non-fatal is not REMOTELY the same as "totally harmless." n/t

[Hugin]

14. To re-frame this and to be blunt...

If you don't follow all of the COVID guidelines, you might as well write up a list of your six closest friends and relatives and put them immediately in an ICU bed. One of them WILL die.

This is exactly what will happen.

No hair splitting. No compromise. No negotiation.

[jmowreader]

20. You do of course realize...

...that prison is no longer a suitable sentence for these people.

We are going to have to sew them into a canvas bag with 500 pounds of bricks and a rabid bobcat, and drop the bag into the Cape Fear River.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. Trump in a canvas bag? Consider this ...

... if you add bricks to the bag, the average IQ goes up.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

23. So, according to White House statistical math, 5% die. So,..

... if we subtract 5 from 100, we get ...

99. 99% live. It's 99% harmless.

Q.E.D.