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muriel_volestrangler

(101,360 posts)
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 08:43 AM Jun 2020

Dexamethasone is first life-saving coronavirus drug

Source: BBC

A cheap and widely available drug called dexamethasone can help save the lives of patients who are seriously ill with coronavirus.

UK experts say the low-dose steroid treatment is a major breakthrough in the fight against the deadly virus.

It cut the risk of death by a third for patients on ventilators. For those on oxygen, it cut deaths by a fifth.
...
Researchers estimate that if the drug had been available in the UK from the start of the coronavirus pandemic up to 5,000 lives could have been saved. Because it is cheap, it could also be of huge benefit in poorer countries struggling with high numbers of Covid-19 patients.



Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53061281



Dexamethasone is cheap, available from any pharmacy, and easily obtainable anywhere in the world. Investigators said the drug was responsible for the survival of one in eight of the sickest patients – those who were on ventilators – in the Recovery trial, the biggest randomised, controlled trial of coronavirus treatments in the world.

“It is the only drug so far shown to reduce mortality and it reduces it significantly,” said Peter Horby, a professor of emerging infectious diseases in the Nuffield department of medicine, at the University of Oxford, and one of the chief investigators of the trial. “It is a major breakthrough, I think.”

Prof Martin Landray, his co-chief investigator said the sickest patients could begin to be treated with the drug immediately. “The search has been on for a treatment that actually reduces the risk of dying. There hasn’t been one until today.

“This is a drug that is globally available. This is not an expensive drug. That is immensely important.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/16/steroid-found-to-help-prevent-deaths-of-sickest-coronavirus-patients

Reputable investigators, so I think this is very hopeful.
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Dexamethasone is first life-saving coronavirus drug (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2020 OP
well if it proves out weissmam Jun 2020 #1
It seems that if it works Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #29
I got that too.. Maxheader Jun 2020 #38
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Jun 2020 #2
Good news. I'm no doctor bucolic_frolic Jun 2020 #3
Amazing snowybirdie Jun 2020 #4
Off topic but my dog had a stroke last year as well sweetloukillbot Jun 2020 #19
Thank you snowybirdie Jun 2020 #30
trump tries to take full credit in 3...2...1... (nt) Paladin Jun 2020 #5
Jared activates his hot-shot team of children to misdirect supply chain to secret warehouses NCjack Jun 2020 #8
If it's 5 quid in the UK, does that mean it's roughly $300 here? Pacifist Patriot Jun 2020 #6
Actually cannabis_flower Jun 2020 #9
Not for long.... louis-t Jun 2020 #31
Reasonable supposition. Thankfully, no. AllyCat Jun 2020 #11
heard this on other such drugs before that went no where beachbumbob Jun 2020 #7
Steroids suck. B Stieg Jun 2020 #10
Since this would only be used for a short period of time, the long-term Tanuki Jun 2020 #13
True. But when they save your life, they're worth the side effects. Texin Jun 2020 #14
I'm with you on that! Steroids do awful things to me. Glad for those who will be helped, though! catrose Jun 2020 #17
"...if the drug had been available in the UK from the start" luvtheGWN Jun 2020 #12
I believe it took a while for doctors to understand the cytokine storm Texin Jun 2020 #16
Yes, of course. luvtheGWN Jun 2020 #20
It is commonly given in the US for respiratory infections LeftInTX Jun 2020 #22
It's used in NICUs too. EllieBC Jun 2020 #15
This is great news tho ronatchig Jun 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jun 2020 #21
Dexamethasone is cheap, available from any pharmacy ToxMarz Jun 2020 #23
My current doc hands it out like candy for resp stuff LeftInTX Jun 2020 #24
In the absence of a vaccine, what's also needed is medication rocktivity Jun 2020 #25
in other news: makers of dexamethasone just jacked up price 1000% Javaman Jun 2020 #26
This drug is for seriosuly ill hospitalized CV patients. But this drug together with Remdesivir will iluvtennis Jun 2020 #27
Oh, they'll boost the prices. Gouging is the noble way of capitalism. n/t PatrickforO Jun 2020 #28
Unless you have any underlying respiratory diseases, like COPD or asthma? flying_wahini Jun 2020 #32
Steroids reduce inflammation? DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #33
For sick people on ventilators?, OK, Im sticking to nicotine for preventive medicine, kept me safe! Baclava Jun 2020 #34
One in eight of the sickest patients. That's something, but not enough Squinch Jun 2020 #35
Major COVID symptom is inflammation. Steroid treatment makes sense. CousinIT Jun 2020 #36
1 in 8? Doesn't seem that significant but of course every life truly matters. nt live love laugh Jun 2020 #37
Someone saw the Stock Market collapsing yesterday maxrandb Jun 2020 #39
Dexamethasone has some complications discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2020 #40

Miguelito Loveless

(4,470 posts)
29. It seems that if it works
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 11:14 AM
Jun 2020

it does so after you are sick. We are not at the "loosen things up a bit" until we have a preventative, i.e. a vaccine.

bucolic_frolic

(43,270 posts)
3. Good news. I'm no doctor
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 08:52 AM
Jun 2020

but it seems to me in my life and hearsay from others, that occasionally a corticosteroid is prescribed for a virus, and there are many formulations, or maybe they're just treating the side effects of the virus, inflammation. This treatment option should have been explored early-on.

snowybirdie

(5,233 posts)
4. Amazing
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 09:05 AM
Jun 2020

Just yesterday, my wonderful old dog/companion, Spud, had a stroke! Vet prescribed this very same steroid for him to help him recover somewhat and stay with us a bit longer. Hopefully a true miracle drug.

sweetloukillbot

(11,065 posts)
19. Off topic but my dog had a stroke last year as well
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 10:28 AM
Jun 2020

We fully expected we would have to put him down - he started having balance, sight and hearing issues. But the vet said that strokes weren't nearly as serious for dogs and we could expect a good recovery. And he did recover pretty well - he was walking normally within a week and hearing again within a month.

snowybirdie

(5,233 posts)
30. Thank you
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 11:23 AM
Jun 2020

for the positive message! We're feeling pretty depressed this a.m. He's still feisty the vet said. We're hoping. Eleven years with our buddy isn't enough.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
8. Jared activates his hot-shot team of children to misdirect supply chain to secret warehouses
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 09:37 AM
Jun 2020

for the purpose of cornering the market. Want some? You have buy from TrumpCo.

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
10. Steroids suck.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 09:44 AM
Jun 2020

But they're better than nothing.
Once, that's all we had to fight MS, but we've moved beyond them, now...
Here's hoping!

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
13. Since this would only be used for a short period of time, the long-term
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 09:52 AM
Jun 2020

consequences of steroid treatment in chronic conditions would be avoided.

Texin

(2,597 posts)
14. True. But when they save your life, they're worth the side effects.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 09:54 AM
Jun 2020

I'm an asthmatic. I have had some very, very serious asthma attacks and the ONLY thing that saved my life over four or five life-threatening events was the use of steroidal medications to diminish the inflammatory condition that provokes a serious asthma attack.

I'm now on what's called a maintenance inhaled medication with a low dose of a steroid+bronchial dilator. It controls the inflammation that causes asthma attacks. Trust me, when a person has nearly died from an asthmatic attack on several occasions (some that involved hospital admittance), you WILL use those prescribed medications faithfully every day (and in my case twice daily).

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
12. "...if the drug had been available in the UK from the start"
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 09:52 AM
Jun 2020

Well, that doesn't make sense. Of course it was available. Every patient going through chemo takes it just before and just after their treatment, and as the article says, it's cheap and widely available -- everywhere.

What the article should have said was that if any doc had thought it might be useful at the start, they would have administered it.

Texin

(2,597 posts)
16. I believe it took a while for doctors to understand the cytokine storm
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 10:03 AM
Jun 2020

that causes the body's hyper-immune response in the most severe cases of this infection. Steroids reduce inflammation which is the underlying condition of the cytokine storm that is causing the most deadly potential of this illness. NSAIDS are also anti-inflammatory pain and fever reducers, so it never seemed reasonable to believe that they would be a causation of worse outcomes, as the French posited early in the outbreak, and I don't know whether the warning to use acetaminophen only has been dialed back or not.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
20. Yes, of course.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jun 2020

I was only suggesting that dexamethasone was/is widely available. My argument is with the way the article was written.

However, from the infectious disease experts I've heard here about the development of the illness, the cytokine storm that so many of the earliest victims suffered was indeed understood -- at that time.

LeftInTX

(25,539 posts)
22. It is commonly given in the US for respiratory infections
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jun 2020

But it may not be routine everywhere

As a matter of fact, prescribing steroids for tracheo/ bronchitis varies from doctor to doctor. Some do. Some don't.

I started going to a walk in clinic a few years back and he prescribes almost every time.

My previous primary care didn't hand them out routinely

EllieBC

(3,041 posts)
15. It's used in NICUs too.
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 10:00 AM
Jun 2020

Very sparingly because it can cause developmental delay. My oldest was given it while on a ventilator (she was born a micro prem).

She also had it when she got RSV when she was 3.

Dex is an oldie but a goodie drug for respiratory issues.

ronatchig

(575 posts)
18. This is great news tho
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 10:17 AM
Jun 2020

I had a hard time with this drug when my tumor was discovered. It was used in my case to reduce brain swelling both pre and post op. I hard to take it for about three mo. and then spent 4.5 mo. getting off of it.My dr. said I had soggy brain syndrome. I told him it was a life long condition but he wasn't laughing. My point is this is a pretty serious medication especially for older patients,it caused a pretty serious psychotic break for me. Tho I was being treated for a menigoma that may have had a contribution . It is great that the drs. have found a drug that helps people.

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ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
23. Dexamethasone is cheap, available from any pharmacy
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jun 2020

I'm guessing that is about to change if it's not already sold out. A lot of people are probably tired of drinking bleach.

LeftInTX

(25,539 posts)
24. My current doc hands it out like candy for resp stuff
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 10:59 AM
Jun 2020

Some docs don't

However, my hunch is it may already be part of CV treatment in the US

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
25. In the absence of a vaccine, what's also needed is medication
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jun 2020

that can be given to the asymptomatic and newly infected to prevent them from getting sicker and/or spreading the virus to others.


rocktivity

iluvtennis

(19,870 posts)
27. This drug is for seriosuly ill hospitalized CV patients. But this drug together with Remdesivir will
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 11:03 AM
Jun 2020

reduce healing time and save some lives - excellent news!

flying_wahini

(6,646 posts)
32. Unless you have any underlying respiratory diseases, like COPD or asthma?
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jun 2020

Yes, this article is a whole 3 months old....

Another article stated that corticosteroids can cause the cytokines to go wild. Usually fatal.

[link:https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/avoid-routine-corticosteroids-in-treatment-of-suspected-coronavirus-infection|
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
34. For sick people on ventilators?, OK, Im sticking to nicotine for preventive medicine, kept me safe!
Tue Jun 16, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jun 2020

(Knock on wood)


Vapers vote too!

maxrandb

(15,349 posts)
39. Someone saw the Stock Market collapsing yesterday
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:00 AM
Jun 2020

and called The Guardian.

I think they said; "Blue Horseshoe loves Endicott Steel"

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,482 posts)
40. Dexamethasone has some complications
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 07:14 AM
Jun 2020
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29891009/

There are concerns about immunosuppression caused by its administration.
I can understand reluctance in using it. There's a fine line.
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