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Judi Lynn

(160,630 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 05:39 PM Jun 2020

Feds: Company provided subpar steel for Navy submarine hulls

Source: Associated Press


Gene Johnson, Associated Press
Updated 4:28 pm CDT, Monday, June 15, 2020

SEATTLE (AP) — For decades, the Navy's leading supplier of high-strength steel for submarines provided subpar metal because one of the company's longtime employees falsified lab results — putting sailors at greater risk in the event of collisions or other impacts, federal prosecutors said in court filings Monday.

The supplier, Kansas City-based Bradken Inc., paid $10.9 million as part of a deferred prosecution agreement, the Justice Department said. The company provides steel castings that Navy contractors Electric Boat and Newport News Shipbuilding use to make submarine hulls.

Bradken in 2008 acquired a foundry in Tacoma, Washington, that produced steel castings for the Navy. According to federal prosecutors, Bradken learned in 2017 that the foundry's director of metallurgy had been falsifying the results of strength tests, indicating that the steel was strong enough to meet the Navy's requirements when in fact it was not.

The company initially disclosed its findings to the Navy, but then wrongfully suggested that the discrepancies were not the result of fraud; that hindered the Navy's investigation into the scope of the problem as well as its efforts to remediate the risks to its sailors, prosecutors said.

Read more: https://www.chron.com/news/article/Feds-Company-provided-subpar-steel-for-Navy-15341465.php

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Feds: Company provided subpar steel for Navy submarine hulls (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2020 OP
Anyone know how to find Bradken,Inc's donations to Republicans over the years? BamaRefugee Jun 2020 #1
Who's from Kansas? Budi Jun 2020 #4
Wichita Falls is not in Kansas............ Bengus81 Jun 2020 #14
Of course, Tillerson is from Witchita Falls, Texas. My error.. Budi Jun 2020 #17
If that isn't treason, I don't know what is. bluedigger Jun 2020 #2
It's not treason ... VMA131Marine Jun 2020 #8
Okay, Mr. internet lawyer. bluedigger Jun 2020 #18
Treason is the only crime defined in the US Constitution VMA131Marine Jun 2020 #23
Which executives bribed the longtime employee? He/she would not have done it on their own. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #3
Why? Igel Jun 2020 #19
The fact that hull test depth and crush depth psi values have to be revised Submariner Jun 2020 #5
Absolutely. Igel Jun 2020 #20
Only $10.9 million? Sounds like they got off easy considering the severity of the fraud. keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #6
I think the repairs will cost more than that. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2020 #7
10.9 million? There are 140 enlisted sailors and 15 officers 70sEraVet Jun 2020 #9
+100 Duppers Jun 2020 #22
Once upon a time, the Senate investigated this kind of thing . . . Ramsey Barner Jun 2020 #10
Aluminum foil has hundreds of uses... brooklynite Jun 2020 #11
"paid $10.9 million as part of a deferred prosecution agreement" PSPS Jun 2020 #12
Moron navy... Maxheader Jun 2020 #13
Strange. I remember visiting the Navy Metalurgical Lab at Mare Island Turbineguy Jun 2020 #15
The worst thing I can think of Randomthought Jun 2020 #16
Yes, but did they make a profit doing it? If so, well, that's just your free market at work. tclambert Jun 2020 #21
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
4. Who's from Kansas?
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 05:48 PM
Jun 2020

Pompeo, Tillerson, Kobach, KOCH, to Bob Dole.

There's a long list of possibilities in Red Repub Kansas

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
17. Of course, Tillerson is from Witchita Falls, Texas. My error..
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jun 2020

Not a Kansan himself, although Exxon had a big footprint there.

"Kansas City-based Bradken Inc.," is a Co to dig into.





VMA131Marine

(4,149 posts)
8. It's not treason ...
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jun 2020

as narrowly defined in US law.

It’s a lot of other really bad things, and the fine seems shockingly low considering the potential disastrous consequences of low strength steel on a submarine, but it isn’t treason.

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
18. Okay, Mr. internet lawyer.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 09:24 PM
Jun 2020

You have not changed my opinion in the least, legalities not withstanding. It certainly meets the spirit of the meaning.

VMA131Marine

(4,149 posts)
23. Treason is the only crime defined in the US Constitution
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jun 2020

It is contained within Article III

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.“

“In Federalist No. 43 James Madison wrote regarding the Treason Clause:

As treason may be committed against the United States, the authority of the United States ought to be enabled to punish it. But as new-fangled and artificial treasons have been the great engines by which violent factions, the natural offspring of free government, have usually wreaked their alternate malignity on each other, the convention have, with great judgment, opposed a barrier to this peculiar danger, by inserting a constitutional definition of the crime, fixing the proof necessary for conviction of it, and restraining the Congress, even in punishing it, from extending the consequences of guilt beyond the person of its author.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Three_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_3:_Treason

Igel

(35,359 posts)
19. Why?
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 10:32 PM
Jun 2020

A German car manufacturer's employees falsified information because the requirements imposed by regulators couldn't be met. Don't meet the requirements, company suffers, and the blame falls on those who didn't succeed it complying--not the board, not the CEO, but the engineers.

Mother worked in the "analytical lab" of a steel mill. It was a job a trained high-school drop out could have, hence she had it. A time or two the bit of the company that she was involved in was under extreme fire. In one case they lost a very large buyer because the coating on the sheet steel that they made had finally started being subject to quality control tests done buyer-side and kept failing. But they didn't fail the same tests done in the steel mill, and the steel company wasn't pleased to find out the buyer was attempting to replicate the test results. Outcome: Every test result had to be in duplicate, one attached to the coiil's paperwork and another attached to a snip of the coil that the test was for, which was packaged up and sent ... somewhere ... for spot checking and for insurance if there's any disagreement as to quality. Inference: Either the workers were incompetent (and the union had defended them) or they were falsifying results. Or the company brass were. That the brass wanted the snips means they wanted records and tin-plate to cover their collective ass. You lie on a test result, a spot check might find it; and since the samples were often really different between runs, grabbing a sample from a random coil might not just show a defect but an entirely different coating if the quality of the test is challenged.

Mother sweated for a while, then came home relieved. None of the batches bore her signature. In fact, she'd gotten in trouble for failing some batches. And prior to the investigation she said that she knew that other workers weren't telling the truth--why was it that she got all the bad runs? My mother and I had few things in common, but she insisted on doing her job properly and insisted on being as honest and truthful as she could be, and frequently got hell from her union for it--they needed somebody to help with the books, and she created a shitstorm when she found bribes and inconsistencies.

Anyway, my mother's sweating and the need for back-up samples tells me it wasn't the brass at fault in the steel mill. That tells me that it's possible for employees to deceive trusting or ignorant superiors. If in the largest freshwater steel mill in the US, why not in some podunk steel manufacturer?


If the director thought his ass was on the line, why wouldn't he have falsified it? Occam fits here: Why have more dishonest people involved than necessary? I assume given that testing is more complex now than in the late '60s and early '70s the director would have seen the test results, which would have been harder to falsify. Might be a bad assumption.


(The customer, btw, was Campbell's soup, and the result was that more than once soup produced and shipped by the company for weeks was in cans made from "tin plate" with defective coatings. No, "tin plate" didn't actually require actual tin in the local steel mill vernacular. We had no canned soup for a while. It was Campbell's or A&P's store brand, which was also Campbell's.)

Submariner

(12,509 posts)
5. The fact that hull test depth and crush depth psi values have to be revised
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 05:56 PM
Jun 2020

has got to be very upsetting for the crews of our nuclear fleet of boats. Putting the whole U.S. submarine force at risk for a few dollars more is unforgivable.

There's probably more than a few crew now wondering if that noise they heard during a recent deep dive was the pressure hull groaning and slightly giving way under the high external pressure. Kind of increases the underway pucker factor.

keithbvadu2

(36,916 posts)
6. Only $10.9 million? Sounds like they got off easy considering the severity of the fraud.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:05 PM
Jun 2020

Only $10.9 million? Sounds like they got off easy considering the severity of the fraud.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,367 posts)
7. I think the repairs will cost more than that.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:09 PM
Jun 2020

Hopefully, the hulls will be fixed/reinforced before attempting deep dives.

70sEraVet

(3,514 posts)
9. 10.9 million? There are 140 enlisted sailors and 15 officers
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:56 PM
Jun 2020

on the largest subs (Ohio-class). In a collision or attack, at depth, that's 155 lives that would have been STOLEN! THERE NEEDS TO BE PRISON TIME FOR SOMEBODY!

Ramsey Barner

(349 posts)
10. Once upon a time, the Senate investigated this kind of thing . . .
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 06:58 PM
Jun 2020
The Truman Committee, formally known as the Senate Special Committee to Investigate the National Defense Program, was a United States Congressional investigative body, headed by Senator Harry S. Truman.[1] The bipartisan special committee was formed in March 1941 to find and correct problems in US war production with waste, inefficiency, and war profiteering. The Truman Committee proved to be one of the most successful investigative efforts ever mounted by the U.S. government: an initial budget of $15,000 was expanded over three years to $360,000 to save an estimated $10–15 billion in military spending and thousands of lives of U.S. servicemen .[2][3][4] For comparison, the entire cost of the Manhattan Project was $2 billion, at the time.[5] Chairing the committee helped Truman make a name for himself beyond his political machine origins and was a major factor in the decision to nominate him as vice president, which would propel him to the presidency after the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt.[6]


[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truman_Committee|

PSPS

(13,614 posts)
12. "paid $10.9 million as part of a deferred prosecution agreement"
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 07:06 PM
Jun 2020

10.9 million is a rounding error on the size of the federal contracts they won. "Cost of doing business." We're back to the old Reagan charade called "sue and settle." And I'm sure they'll make a hefty "campaign contribution" for "services rendered."

I wonder if their steel played a role in those sailors' deaths in the ship collisions not so long ago.

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
13. Moron navy...
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 07:14 PM
Jun 2020

For decades, the Navy's leading supplier of high-strength steel for submarines provided subpar metal because one of the company's longtime employees falsified lab results.


Shoulda been doing their own spot checking...in house inspection..aircraft does..

Turbineguy

(37,368 posts)
15. Strange. I remember visiting the Navy Metalurgical Lab at Mare Island
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:00 PM
Jun 2020

and they did all sorts of tests. Of course, this was in 1973.

Randomthought

(837 posts)
16. The worst thing I can think of
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jun 2020

My brother worked on subs for Newport News Building and Dry Dock. He risk his job more than once calling out people like this. I remember how he cried over the Thresher even though his company had not worked on it.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
21. Yes, but did they make a profit doing it? If so, well, that's just your free market at work.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 11:43 PM
Jun 2020

Therefore, expect Republicans to just tap on their wrists oh so lightly.

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