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highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:33 AM Sep 2012

Paul Ryan: 'It Would Take Me Too Long' To Explain Mitt Romney's Tax Plan

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan promised again on Sunday that Mitt Romney’s tax plan would bring lower tax rates for all Americans while remaining revenue-neutral, although he didn’t fully explain how it would accomplish that.

The Obama campaign has blasted the Romney-Ryan ticket for not providing details on how it would give Americans such large tax breaks without growing the deficit. Ryan reiterated in an interview on "Fox News Sunday" that the plan would drop taxpayers' bills by 20 percent without costing a dime, due to closed tax loopholes, but he was short on specifics when pressed by host Chris Wallace.

“You haven’t given me the math,” Wallace said in one exchange.

“I don’t have the ... It would take me too long to go through all of the math,” Ryan responded.

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Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/30/paul-ryan-tax-plan-mitt-romney_n_1926660.html

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Paul Ryan: 'It Would Take Me Too Long' To Explain Mitt Romney's Tax Plan (Original Post) highplainsdem Sep 2012 OP
Maths r hard.... Systematic Chaos Sep 2012 #1
Stop it! boobooday Sep 2012 #6
So hard! Gal Friday Sep 2012 #10
Don't think I've seen that one before! Perfect! randome Sep 2012 #17
Welcome to the DU! littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #33
Yep, just like all other stay at home moms Digit Sep 2012 #72
it appears they are using imaginary numbers central scrutinizer Sep 2012 #21
They are both a couple of littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #34
It's hard werk SaveAmerica Sep 2012 #48
That's funny lalalu Sep 2012 #68
"I was told there wouldn't be math." JoePhilly Sep 2012 #2
DUzy classic. Thanks for a brilliant thread winner. Absolutely perfect. grantcart Sep 2012 #46
Snicker :) lalalu Sep 2012 #69
obviously Ryan can't tell a right triangle from an obtuse one. N/T hollysmom Sep 2012 #3
Math? Roy Rolling Sep 2012 #4
Math is hard Botany Sep 2012 #5
He's the Anti-Clinton flamingdem Sep 2012 #16
Ya get about another month dipwad, if ya can't 'splain it by then you lose. geckosfeet Sep 2012 #7
Mittens is excellent at the math when it comes to his own tax evasion but wordpix Sep 2012 #8
"Well, math is a science, so it wouldn't count anyway." Scuba Sep 2012 #9
"I don't have the ..."? surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #11
Damned close to telling the truth -- he'd better be more careful in the debates (n/t) William Seger Sep 2012 #55
It's sort of like trying to explain why there is something instead of nothing. Except reversed. randome Sep 2012 #12
I can do it in one sentence: TBF Sep 2012 #13
Loser. nt onehandle Sep 2012 #14
Albert Einstein said: Mira Sep 2012 #15
Stop bothering Mr. Ryan for answers! (you won't get any!) nt barnabas63 Sep 2012 #18
As the man said... pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #19
Nice littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #30
No time for trivia! courseofhistory Sep 2012 #20
THIS. Volaris Sep 2012 #59
How can they expect people to back a plan when they won't give specifics. Cass Sep 2012 #22
Because if they gave specifics even THEY couldn't support it . . . Journeyman Sep 2012 #57
Or is Lyin'Ryan stating that we Americans are too dumb? Iliyah Sep 2012 #23
Its the damn Arithmetic...thier numbers don't add up. Historic NY Sep 2012 #24
Ryan's persona baffles me. olegramps Sep 2012 #25
Wow. I think you have him pegged right. randome Sep 2012 #28
Too true. Belief in absolutes, dualities, yes/no, good/bad, draw red line, etc is a disease Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #35
Also very true! randome Sep 2012 #42
You're giving him way too much benefit of the doubt on his motivations. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #51
I think there's a lot more of that in our society than most of us would like to admit... Volaris Sep 2012 #63
I recommend paragraphing as a positive thing. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #64
Interesting lalalu Sep 2012 #70
It was all explained AlbertCat Sep 2012 #26
So how's that millionaire tax cut workin' out for ya? world wide wally Sep 2012 #27
In other words littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #29
For 98 years politicians have been saying "all we need do is close loopholes, eliminate WFD" ... Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2012 #31
A lot of what we call "Waste, Fraud, and Abuse" Volaris Sep 2012 #66
Nothing to see here... KevTucky Sep 2012 #32
Allow me: Utter Horsecrap Jeff In Milwaukee Sep 2012 #36
100 - 20 = 100 Cosmocat Sep 2012 #40
David Axelrod responded on Twitter. See this topic in GD: highplainsdem Sep 2012 #37
That's still their MO. "Our plan, our budget, our etc. is really complicated but vote for us and 4lbs Sep 2012 #38
Coupon Care Man... SoapBox Sep 2012 #39
I would much rather see Democrats use the word 'coupon' instead of 'voucher'. randome Sep 2012 #43
Try me, Ryan. Take time from your 2-hour marathon runs and explain it. bulloney Sep 2012 #41
Umm... closing "loopholes" effectively raises taxes Fearless Sep 2012 #44
Pi in the sky thelordofhell Sep 2012 #45
Only if you include the time to first create it CreekDog Sep 2012 #47
Can't answer, what you don't know. Smilo Sep 2012 #49
Paul, it's very simple: lastlib Sep 2012 #50
Just like the old joke about the rancher Aldo Leopold Sep 2012 #52
This is the way I think about his reluctance to explain budgets, policies and ideas--- Grammy23 Sep 2012 #53
Bend over....I can show you better than I can tell you. Bozvotros Sep 2012 #54
Citizen: Skip the math; give me the arithmatic! AnnaLee Sep 2012 #56
Translation..... lib2DaBone Sep 2012 #58
Beating Obama in a debate is a tall order daleo Sep 2012 #60
I can do that in 3 words Incitatus Sep 2012 #61
So the sooner you start...(n/t) Retrograde Sep 2012 #62
Paul Ryan: "You pleebs don't need to know" /nt Ash_F Sep 2012 #65
Doing the arithmetic indypaul Sep 2012 #67
K&R DeSwiss Sep 2012 #71
BARACK OBAMA SPECIAL TRIBUTE SHOULD HAVE THEM SING THIS SONG AT POLLS copaid Sep 2012 #73
How about we start with his tax returns? PD Turk Sep 2012 #74

boobooday

(7,869 posts)
6. Stop it!
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:44 AM
Sep 2012

Why don't you try to do the math! You're lucky that Mitt even lowers himself to calculate your (certainly negligible) value!

Roy Rolling

(6,918 posts)
4. Math?
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:43 AM
Sep 2012

Ryan: Old people don't need math to explain how they will be screwed with Medicare vouchers, just trust us. Look how successful Bain Capital was at screwing companies we raided.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
8. Mittens is excellent at the math when it comes to his own tax evasion but
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:47 AM
Sep 2012

when it comes to lowering OUR taxes 20% in a way that won't cost a dime, he can't do it.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
11. "I don't have the ..."?
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:51 AM
Sep 2012

He came awfully close there to telling the truth: "I don't have the details. There are no details. I can't tell you how the numbers add up because there's no possible way they could add up."

TBF

(32,067 posts)
13. I can do it in one sentence:
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:08 AM
Sep 2012

Rich folk pay less, poor folk pay more. You don't need calculus to understand Romney's position.

courseofhistory

(801 posts)
20. No time for trivia!
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:23 AM
Sep 2012

Hey, give this guy a break will you?? He's a busy man and there is no time for trivial details! /sarcasm off

The truth is, the 47% aren't worthy of our time so we don't worry abuot details. Let them eat cake!

We will figure it all out later after we're elected. We have to be elected for you to know what's in it!

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
59. THIS.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:33 PM
Sep 2012

Also, if I TOLD you about the secret plan to end the Vietnam War, it wouldn't be a SECRET anymore, now WOULD IT?????
Also, if I TOLD you why we said "Mission Accomplished", it would get UN-Accomplished right quick, now WOULDN'T IT?????

Different crooks, same mental state. Oh well. This one isn't going win.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
25. Ryan's persona baffles me.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:44 AM
Sep 2012

I am using persona, as defined by the Swiss psychologist Carl Jung. That it is the social face the individual presents to the world - "a kind of mask, designed on the one hand to make a definite impression upon others, and on the other to conceal the true nature of the individual."

Paul Ryan appears to be very charming, almost child like in his enthusiasm. Very much like a naive, yet a likable perpetual adolescent full of energy and boundless self confidence that he has a grasp on absolute truth. I can't help from wondering if this persona has taken over his entire being to the extent that his individuality has been suppressed. In the way he cocks his head and widely opens his eyes he appears to mimic Bambi. Very serious issues are brushed away with absolutes without any consideration of the complexities. For example in his absolute acceptance that abortion is wrong in very case without any regard to circumstances. His approach in absolutes who be like an judge sentencing a man to prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed his children without any regard to the circumstances. Its a crime, period, end of discussion. I would welcome any insight that anyone has to offer.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,010 posts)
35. Too true. Belief in absolutes, dualities, yes/no, good/bad, draw red line, etc is a disease
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:59 AM
Sep 2012

Belief in absolutes, dualities, yes/no, good/bad, draw red line, etc is a disease, and one that Republicans and religious fundamentalists are very prone to. However, it can strike people of any stripe. It needs to avoided. It's a trap. Recognize it and think around it.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
51. You're giving him way too much benefit of the doubt on his motivations.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:06 PM
Sep 2012

He is a lying, opportunistic Koch-sucker.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
63. I think there's a lot more of that in our society than most of us would like to admit...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:16 PM
Sep 2012

Last edited Mon Oct 1, 2012, 12:14 AM - Edit history (1)

It's part and parcel to our being as a "First Half" of Life Culture. There is VERY little Both/And thinking going on over there, and a WHOLE lot of "Either/Or". For them, the world exists in a Black and White way, and any grey is not just an unacceptable space to occupy, be understood, and accepted or rejected in varying degrees of usefulness, it's just simply NOT THERE. Understanding the degrees of the Grey, is a thing that comes with WISDOM, is a thing that comes with reflection (and usually with the pain of a lot of life lessons). In their world, that's something that never needs to be done, because Jesus, and Rand, and Cheney were all of them RIGHT, and so no further reflection is ever necessary. Good thing we (for now) are a little smarter than that, and the American Electorate seems to be turning their ears to our direction for a bit.
If we pull off taking back the House (long shot) and keeping the Senate, it won't be a time to gloat, rather, we will need to have our "math" on this one DOWN PAT, and be able to explain not just the answer but the PROCESS to, (as the above poster mentioned) the Nations 6-year olds--even the 40-year old ones. THAT'S how we win long-term. That's how we get the Culture we NEED to have in order to lead the rest of Humanity OUT of the 20th Century, and INTO something better. And yes, I think we are uniquely equipped to do so, and we may be the ONLY ones. Our SYSTEM is what empowers that in a way that few others can. But if Romney can't wrap his head around a simple concept like "Israel and Palestine can BOTH exist, AND not be at war, he's NOT the guy that's gonna get that system right, because he mis-understands the power INHERENT to the system. He mis-interprets the energy that drives it, that gives it life and dynamism and Future. He's bowing to the idea of the dumbest among us that the "shining city on a hill" is lit up by Miracles, and not by Electrons. It's a crass, completely craven attempt to win this election on EMOTION, on IMPULSE, on NON-REFLECTION, and it won't work, because the ABSOLUTE FAILURE of almost everything the last Republican Majority attempted has got people thinking, got them REFLECTING, in ways that haven't happened in this country since at least the beginning of the 1970's.
Keep talking to people. Most of them WANT knowledge of WHY this is happening. We have to get them to those answers, and we can't force them to our way of thinking. But we CAN put them on an intellectual path that gets them there FOR US, of their own volition. Just tell them, "For everything you think you know, for every TRUTH you think you see, ask yourself, "BUT WHY?" That should kick-start the process nicely. Most of the self-professed Conservatives I know can't really tell you WHY they are Conservative, and I end up realizing they are actually MORE LIBERAL than they can see. That they can't see it is the problem.
There are (and always will be) very small %age are just intractable idiots, and the only thing you can do is take comfort in the fact that they will probably be outvoted in Nov...

WOW I didn't mean for that to get that long...maybe it needs it's own thread lol. Oh well, that's what you get for asking for opinions when I just wake up on a good 6 hours sleep hahaha.=)

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
26. It was all explained
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:45 AM
Sep 2012

... back in the 80's and early 2000's.... they called it "voo doo economics" and "the Laffer Curve"...

and it was implemented.



and it didn't work then


but it's BOUND to now...right?

littlemissmartypants

(22,694 posts)
29. In other words
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:52 AM
Sep 2012

I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you peon idiots because you are peon idiots. New stradegy lying not working try ignoring...I love this guy...soooo smoooooooooth.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,010 posts)
31. For 98 years politicians have been saying "all we need do is close loopholes, eliminate WFD" ...
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:54 AM
Sep 2012

Close loopholes, eliminate Waste, Fraud, and Abuse.

If only it were so easy.

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
66. A lot of what we call "Waste, Fraud, and Abuse"
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:32 PM
Sep 2012

is, in MY opinion, just a lot of Bacon, a lot of 'Greasing the Wheels' money. Rather than cutting it from the budget, I say let's CONTROL it, and put it to a proper and USEFUL END. I think if we have to write a sensible Budget in the next term anyway, why not build into it an internal mechanism that addresses the need of politicians to DO local politics, to grease the wheels so to speak, and not make things worse. Lets give EACH member of Congress an annual stipend, that they can spend in THEIR district ONLY, for whatever they want, no questions asked. Need that Bridge to Nowhere? Fine, use the Grease Money we give you, (save it for a few years, if need be) but you DON'T get any more this year (and don't you DARE come back to us for more, you won't get it), and you CAN'T spend it on elections. If you spend it all on Hookers and Blow, or Bridges to Nowhere, the rest of us really don't care, but the people of your district might, so be careful with that. Lets BUILD IT INTO THE BUDGET, so we stop wasting time with it on the Floor of Congress.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
40. 100 - 20 = 100
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:15 PM
Sep 2012

that is what they are pitching.

i guess Scheiffer actually followed up, but the media just can't accept this nonsense they are pitching that they will cut rates and you will get a tax cut while cutting exemptions will keep the tax revenue flat.

That dog don't hunt.

That dog don't even scratch at flees.

4lbs

(6,858 posts)
38. That's still their MO. "Our plan, our budget, our etc. is really complicated but vote for us and
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:13 PM
Sep 2012

trust us, the details will come out later!"

Yeah, sure.

Hey, let's play that 3-card-Monty too!

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
41. Try me, Ryan. Take time from your 2-hour marathon runs and explain it.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:18 PM
Sep 2012

I have a feeling it would be just like all of the other bullshit you've been spewing for the past several weeks.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
44. Umm... closing "loopholes" effectively raises taxes
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:21 PM
Sep 2012

On those that they are closed on. Just saying. Of course his idea of a "loophole" would be Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Somehow I'm doubting that Mittwit will be closing the loopholes that allow him to pay 14% or less in taxes while the middle class and working poor foot the bill.

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
50. Paul, it's very simple:
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 12:55 PM
Sep 2012

You just shift the anti-protons to the credit column, and the peons to the debit column, multiply the result by the base imaginary number, and you have it. We're screwed if we elect you. Even I can understand that, and I only have a bachelor's degree in fuzzy math.

Aldo Leopold

(685 posts)
52. Just like the old joke about the rancher
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:07 PM
Sep 2012

who, after being asked by his neighbor exactly how large his ranch was, replied it took him all day just to drive from one end of it to the other. To which the neighbor said, after some reflection, "Yeah, I used to have a truck like that too".

Yeah, I once had a math teacher like Ryan too.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
53. This is the way I think about his reluctance to explain budgets, policies and ideas---
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:11 PM
Sep 2012

They are asking us to accept their ideas and policies and plans without a single explanation using real numbers so that we can make calculations on how their plan would impact us personally.

That is the equivalent of applying for and accepting responsibility for a mortgage without knowing the amount of the mortgage, the interest rate or the monthly payment that will be required in order to pay off that mortgage. NO ONE would be that naive or stupid, would they? Yet, that is exactly what Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are asking us to do.

JUST TRUST US. We'll give you all the answers later after you've voted for us (signed on the dotted line).

Well, excuse me for being a little bit less than eager to sign up for something or someone that won't tell me ahead of time what I'm signing up for. If they can't tell me the details, I can't consider whether to give them my vote. PERIOD.

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
58. Translation.....
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:30 PM
Sep 2012

"...47% of the American people are too stupid to see through our scam... so go back to sleep.. everything is fine."

daleo

(21,317 posts)
60. Beating Obama in a debate is a tall order
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 01:38 PM
Sep 2012

Much too tall for Romney.

It's certainly not how the smart money would bet.

indypaul

(949 posts)
67. Doing the arithmetic
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 02:38 PM
Sep 2012

Was once told the way to determine the difference between a psychotic and
a neurotic was: A psychotic thinks 2 plus 2 equals 5.

A neurotic knows 2 plus 2 equals 4 but it bothers him,

Now Mr Ryan would you please explain Mr. Romney's and your plan?

 

copaid

(10 posts)
73. BARACK OBAMA SPECIAL TRIBUTE SHOULD HAVE THEM SING THIS SONG AT POLLS
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:56 PM
Sep 2012

PLAIN AND SIMPLE THIS IS ALL WE DEMOCRATIC WANT TO HEAR FROM NOW AND UNTIL NOVEMBER 6, 2012. OUR GREAT TRIBUTE TO OUR LEADER BARACK OBAMA.

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