Ryan: Gun owners should fear an Obama re-election

[highplainsdem]

Source: CBS News

COLUMBUS, Ohio Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan courted the votes of hunters on Saturday in a speech to a sportsmen's group, suggesting that President Obama would seek to strip gun owners of their rights by appointing judges hostile to a broad interpretation of the Second Amendment.

"I shudder as a gun owner ... what would he do if he never has to face the voters ever again?" Ryan asked aloud during a speech to the National U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance's 16th Annual Save Our Heritage Banquet here.

"The next president is going to pick a lot of judges. The next president will appoint a lot of different judges and these are lifetime appointments. If you want to make sure that judges respect our Second Amendment rights, you need a president who respects those rights as well," he said.

Ryan likened gun ownership to religious liberty, suggesting that the federal government had intruded on people's First Amendment rights as well. He also stressed the importance of appointing people to government agencies who will "respect the rights of hunting and fishing," and said that the widely criticized Fast and Furious gunwalking operation "would never occur under a Romney-Ryan administration."

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Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57523042/ryan-gun-owners-should-fear-an-obama-re-election/

[WRH2]

1. peace of shit lyer

Prez has never done a damn thing about guns.

[ashling]

64. "piece" of shit

nt

[Hosnon]

67. Liar.

Beautifully incorrect first post.

[onehandle]

2. Gun owners and fear go hand in hand. nt

[azurnoir]

11. I dunno' about that 'cause this one (gun owner) read the headline and rolled her eyes

the thought was this sh*t again, they are getting desperate

[nxylas]

32. There are exceptions to every rule

Not every gun owner is an NRA/gungeon type who craps their pants at the thought of leaving their home without their deadly security blanket, in case they see a b-b-b-black person. But plenty are.

[Hoyt]

34. So true.

[slackmaster]

52. I'm a gun owner, and I'm not afraid of Democrats or of sock puppets

[Skittles]

80. CORRECT

[Seedersandleechers]

3. What a loathsome

slimeball.

[DemKittyNC]

4. This lying shit will fly too

around here. Out of all the biggest issues our country is facing gun ownership and the fear that a Democratic President is going to ban ownership of guns is the biggest concern I hear about most where I live. It is sickening how this fear resonates with the people around here.

[olddad56]

6. when do you live? That isn't the case everywhere.

[DemKittyNC]

8. Greensboro, N.C.

Also I have family that live up in the mountains in Virgina as well and this kind of mentality is spread rich and thick all through out the area up there as well. It is sad to see people will vote for Rmoney out of this made up fear but never see or understand that by voting for that moron they are shooting themselves in the foot since most of these people I know are on social security disability and food stamps.

[ronnie624]

16. It will in my neck of the woods, too.

In my opinion, for many, the gun issue is a surrogate for racism. It doesn't have to be rational. It only needs to provide an excuse to express their hatred.

[Populist_Prole]

27. I've got to say you're pretty much right from what I see

And I'm speaking as a pro-gun type. I never before saw so many people who used to put other issues before the gun issue suddenly become paranoid gun nuts since president Obama even ran for office. I've seen it with quite a few in my union workplace. Another way I can tell they're full of shit is that they can't debate issues for shit beyond their low-information paraphrasing of sound bites, and when you one by one knock them down on their totally misinformed arguments, it seems, almost without fail, they try to appeal to me...use their trump card...with the gun issue.

I am having 2 good and long time friendships very much strained over politics now. When I was still a republican, 2 of my friends supported Clinton twice even though he was an avowed anti-gun president. Though they didn't like his position, they still voted for him over Bush and Dole because they cared more about economic/labor issues more. Now that they're both fairly comfortably retired, they've become wingnuts. One way asshats they are.

[Hoyt]

36. +100000

[hamsterjill]

70. Texas, too.

Especially rural areas. I constantly hear how Obama is after their guns. When I asked for facts, I get some stupid comment like, "well if you have to ask, you just don't understand" etc.

No way these idiots want facts to get in the way of their hate.

[dougolat]

81. Around here they say it's not U.S. legislation....

...but the UN small arms treaty that's going to trump our Constitutional gun rights.
You know, treaties do strange things our laws.

[olddad56]

5. fearmongering is going out of style. Only really narrow minded people are still buying it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Hasn't happened in four years. But they won't let the facts get in the way of a good SCARE. nt

[JoePhilly]

46. The fact that he hasn't done it yet proves that he's gonna do it!!

He's sneaky that way.

[deathrind]

9. Guns and Religion...

Funny how the right continues to prove what candidate Obama said about those two subjects.

[defacto7]

10. Lie'n Rian just can't get enough

of that lying thing. It's his drug, his high, that shot of endorphins he can't live without.

[julian09]

14. Obama did nothing to against guns for four years

it may be his last term coming up but, can't say same for the dems in congress, they can stay forever and won't go near that issue.
Ryan is so desperate and has nothing but scare tactics. Obama has bigger fish to fry than Ryans fish stories. If Lying Ryan was a fish, he would be a sardine.

[TlalocW]

12. Let's see... What's he actually did

I think he made it possible to carry concealed guns into national parks - something every president since Reagan has vetoed, and when asked about people carrying guns at protests outside of places he's speaking, the White House replied ala, "If they're following their state and local gun laws, Obama is fine with it."

TlalocW

[timlot]

13. Bulls***t

Ask any gun shop this 'Obama gonna take r guns' propaganda (4 years going now) has been best thing to ever happen to them. Gun sales have been threw the roof.

[julian09]

15. Check Smith and Wesson stock up 400% nt

[Journeyman]

17. Second that. A friend works part-time in a gun shop in Central California. . .

he tells me sales have been driven the past four years by irrational fears and paranoia. Even in Obama's first year, the driving concern was "Oh, yeah, he and Biden haven't done anything yet, but they will -- it's only a matter of time." And well before Ryan started lying' the gun shop customers were floating this same fear -- "Yeah, once he's free of reelection fears Obama will start to take our guns."

My friend agrees it's irrational, indeed it's downright crazy, but he's employed and it keeps the ammo manufacturers working overtime, so he sees upsides even in the absurd.

[mainer]

78. Gun dealers I know are hoping Obama wins

It's great for the firearms and ammo business.

[baldguy]

42. And yet the gun lobby continues to promote this bullshit.

There's a connection there, don't you think?

[AsahinaKimi]

18. Sounds like he would say anything to scare

Voters into voting for their team. Uso-tsuki!

[StevePaulson]

19. Scare The Gun Owners Scare The Gun Owners

Ryan, you are a piece of *%$#Y(*)&.

You know who should be scared if you and Romney are elected? Anyone that isn't filthy rich. Anyone that is over 65. Anyone that wasn't born to a wealthy family. Anyone with a job.

Now Obama has no plan to take away people's guns that I know of. You and Romney have every intention to screw the poor to help the rich.

http://www.RepublicansAreADisease.com

God I can't wait till the election is over an you have lost, and lost your seat in congress.

[jmowreader]

20. No, the Fast and Furious gunwalking operation happened under a Bush-Cheney administration

So let me see here...to get guns Banned By The Courts Obama would have to...

pick a judge who hated guns, like the wife of Ronald Reagan's press secretary...of course, you'd have to ship her to law school quick, but it could happen

get this judge confirmed in a Senate that's half full of Republicans

hope like hell a gun case came before this judge

get the case decided in a way that grabs all the guns, like Obama apparently wants to happen

and have the decision affirmed by a majority-Republican Supreme Court.

The reality of this situation is you're more likely to lose your guns under Romney than you would under Obama...because you will probably have to sell all your guns to buy food and make your car payment after Romney ships your job to China.

[hack89]

40. You are thinking of Operation Wide Receiver which was from 2006 to 2007

Fast and Furious started in 2009.

[msongs]

21. guns god and gays - howard dean had it right ...

http://old.post-gazette.com/election/20031208dean1208p2.asp

[StarryNite]

22. I made a bet...

Well I tried to bet somebody who is afraid of losing his guns because he believes all the email forwards that Obama is going to try to take away his guns. I told him I would bet him $1,000.00 that if Obama is reelected that in four years he will still have his guns. And that during that time Obama will not do anything to try to take away guns from lawful owners....He turned down my bet. Yet he's so sure Obama wants his guns.

[Atypical Liberal]

66. And yet rinstating the assault weapon ban is still part of the latest Party Platform.

People don't understand that to pro-gun people, banning future sales is the same as confiscation.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. In other news.....

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[6000eliot]

24. Again, why are they still trying to appeal to these voters?

Aren't they already going to vote for Romney? I think it's significant that they are still trying to shore up their base even at this late date.

[hack89]

41. There are a lot of gun owning Democrats in swing states - not every Democrat is progressive.

there are plenty of Blue Dog democrats the party depends on in those swing states.

[Cali_Democrat]

25. He just pulls shit out of his ass and throws it against the wall

hoping it sticks.

Fucking liar.

[aquart]

26. Lyin' Ryan needs to wash his mouth out with soap.

Disgusting POS.

[JoeyT]

28. Yeah, we're terrified.

You can tell how much Obama hates guns by the thousands of bills he fought for that ban them in the last four years.
I really shouldn't have to say sarcasm, but

The only people this is going to work on is the dumbasses that already support Romney/Ryan. The rest of us ignore it as yet another lie, which seems to be all they're capable of doing.

[JI7]

29. At this Stage in the Campaign he is still trying to get what should be their Base ?

and these wedge issues ?

[cstanleytech]

30. You would think someone would be advising Ryan better on what not to say especially after

this murder suicide http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/herndon-family-found-dead-in-home-mourned/2012/09/26/26ec8214-0806-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_story.html

That or he likes chewing on his own feet.

[Scairp]

31. This is deeply pathetic

I just hope the voters can see through this shite.

[coldwaterintheface]

33. I am a gun owner who does not hunt

I am a gun owner for 1 reason and 1 reason only, Lunatic Pub’s with guns.

[Systematic Chaos]

35. I bet Ryan's absolutely right.

I'm sure Obama's first order of business in the second term will be to instantly confiscate every one of the 42 googolplex zillion guns floating around out there.

I figure if all goes well it would only take 3-4 days, leaving plenty of time to tackle all those other pressing issues we face.

[Norbert]

61. Don't laugh

I know people stupid enough to believe this. They are the same ones that call for a some type of intellegence test to be able to vote. You can't make this shit up.

[neohippie]

37. That's rich seeing how his running mate has often disagreed with the NRA on gun control issues

Romney was responsible for the first assualt weapon ban in the US and a huge supportor of the Brady Bill requiring a 5 day waiting period on handgun purchases.

[slackmaster]

38. LOL!

What a douche nozzle.

[hack89]

39. No we don't - Obama is a smart man. nt

[CanonRay]

43. Fear, fear, fear...that's all they have left to sell

[Historic NY]

44. Back to this BS....

a bit of yammering a a fOP meeting Obamas going to make a run for the guns...got shot down when the president said he hasn't done one thing to take them away in fact he signed the bill to fix HR218...essentially its all BS boys. Their retort well its because ofthe NRA and GOP...again he says there are lots of Dems that support the position. EOD its all BS.

[Historic NY]

45. PS Shouldn't Rmoney be out shooting up some shit, shirtless showing his prowness...

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[PatrynXX]

48. yeah

cept he won't and if elected he'd embarass the crap out of us up against a shirtless Putin.

[PatrynXX]

47. yeah those

card carrying NRA members are so anti gun they'll take away your rights. bonk. x-x

[Trunk Monkey]

49. I think we would go a long way towards putting this to bed

if the DNC would remove this from our platform


Firearms. We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans’ Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements – like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole – so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.

http://assets.dstatic.org/dnc-platform/2012-National-Platform.pdf

[Cronkite]

50. Question- Which Presidential candidate was sign a gun ban into law?

Romney signed an assault weapons ban into law while governor of Massachusetts.

[bulloney]

56. If Obama was a governor and did something similar, the NRA would blare this 24/7 in the media.

But Romney ACTUALLY did sign the assault weapons ban as Massachusetts governor. Not a peep from the NRA.

[bottomofthehill]

51. they told me that 4 years ago and guess what,

the world did not end when President Obama was elected, and I still have my shotgun...

[rucky]

53. He'll be making race-baiting statments within the week.

they're so desperate - this is laughable.

[Enrique]

54. absurd that this story doesn't mention the Minneapolis shooting

but of course it doesn't, because it is stenography, not journalism.

The shooter in MN struggled with mental illness for years, his family sought professional help regarding his paranoia, and yet he was able to obtain a Glock and thousands of bullets. And after the shooting, few people, certainly not Obama, have said anything about gun control.

[bowens43]

55. If only this were true....nt

[slackmaster]

57. If it were true, Obama would lose in a landslide

Be careful what you wish for.

[bowens43]

60. Unfortunately the days of democrats

with the balls to stand up to the death merchants and tier toadies are long gone. This is why the US is finished. We are quickly spiraling into thirds world status....guns and god to two destructive things man has invented.

[slackmaster]

62. Just as the GOP platform favored equal rights for women until 1976, The Democratic platform...

...was silent on gun control until 1968.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29603

The Gun Control Act was passed that year with bi-partisan support, and it remains our most important gun control law. There is little controversy about it - The NRA helped write it, and has never voiced any real opposition to it.

In the aftermath of President Nixon's resignation, the Republicans struggled to build a new coalition that could hope to achieve a majority of votes in a national election. They made the fateful choice to pander to the burgeoning far-right religious extremist movement that was spurred by the Roe v. Wade decision of 1973.

Abortion has been the GOP's biggest albatross. Two small gun control planks in the platform, added to appease an extremist but highly vocal minority among is, are ours. If we were to embrace the right to keep and bear arms as a valuable choice for individuals and ditch those items, there wouldn't be any discussion of a close election.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

72. Obama Lose?

NONSENSE.

More rhetoric and fear pandering from gun enthusiasts.

Hundreds of people in the last few months brought loaded guns to airport security check points in a post 9/11 world, many of which went off accidentally at the airport and we are told to believe they are law abiding citizens whose second amendment rights I need to defend. The gun lobby lives in the same alternative universe as the GOP. Common sense says we need common sense gun laws and that includes banning guns where people drink and pray......oh and also where they fly. COMMON SENSE!

[fightthegoodfightnow]

69. AGREE!

The GOP panders fear. God forbid we should invision a world without guns. I am HAPPY to wish for that world.

[davidthegnome]

58. Ryan is such an idiot

You know, I'm one of those democrats that strongly supports Second Amendment rights. No, I'm not a gun cultist, gun nut, gun fanatic or anything of the sort - I don't even own one. I just believe in the right of every American to be armed, if they so desire, for hunting and self defense.

That said, there is nothing that Obama has said or done that would lead me to believe he's interested in taking away gun rights. At some point, he may attempt to promote and/or legislate stronger gun control laws, which even a lot of gun owners are in favor of. That's not taking away your guns, Ryan, you idiot. It's attempting to ensure that they are more strictly regulated (which they really need to be) - and laws that would lead to the greater likelihood of responsible use would be great as well (mandated gun safety courses for any would be owner, for instance).

That said... WHAT THE HELL do guns have to do with religious liberty? In any event, Sir, please go hunt lions with a stick.

[treestar]

59. so what happened in the first term?

[geckosfeet]

63. Fuck you paul ryan. Lying deceitful pos.

[frylock]

65. i always ask these idiots how long before they got their guns back after clinton confiscated them

[daleo]

68. But if Clinton would have had a second term..

Oh, that's right, he did. Still no confiscation.

[Jennicut]

71. Yeah, he is gonna take the gunz away just like he did in the last 4 years!

Ryan is a complete stooge.

[judesedit]

73. Obama okayed carrying your weapon in national parks. Does that bimbo, Lyin Ryan forget that?

Guns don't kill people. Insane people do. And automatic weapons have NO use in every day life for the average citizen. The criminals are better armed than the cops. Who's that asshole of a stupid vp choice fooling? Only himself and the dumbest Americans out there. Like he said, the smart people will never buy into their bullshit and vote for them.

[4lbs]

74. That's true.... except for the facts that no law was passed in the last 4 years limiting

gun ownership, and no Supreme Court cases were decided that limited gun ownership.

Also gun ownership increased the last 4 years.

So, other than being 100% contrasted by reality, Ryan's statement is true in his own mind.

It's false and a lie to the rest of us.

[jpak]

75. Low-information gun nuts must now cling harder. Obama - BOO!!!!11

Idiots.

yup

[davidpdx]

76. Another Obama is going to take your guns

fear mongering comment by the Republicans

[appleannie1]

77. They said that 4 years ago and no one has lost any guns that I know of.

[Skittles]

79. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

appealing to paranoid gun nuts

[Evasporque]

82. Obama hasn't even seated 80% of his Judges....GOP OBSTRUCTIONISM!

The GOP has blocked almost all of his picks because of their UNPRECEDENTED OBSTRUCTIONISM!