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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Tue May 12, 2020, 09:06 AM May 2020

Gunmen storm Kabul maternity ward, killing 13, including 2 newborns

Source: Washington Post

Gunmen set off an explosion Tuesday at the entrance of one of Kabul's busiest hospitals before storming the building, which includes a maternity ward, killing 13, including two newborns.

The attackers battled for hours with Afghan security forces. According to the interior minister, the rest of those slain were nurses and mothers. Some 15 others were injured. The hospital is one of the busiest in western Kabul and houses a maternity ward run by Doctors Without Borders.

While no group has claimed responsibility for the assault, it echoes earlier attacks on civilian targets carried out by the extremist Islamic State group. In March, gunmen stormed a Sikh temple, killing 25, and earlier that month shooters killed 32 at an ethnic Hazara and Shiite gathering.

Photos and videos from the scene circulating on social media showed police forces carrying newborns to emergency medical teams nearby. One photo showed a woman lying on her back crumpled up against a hospital room wall, a small baby lying in her arms.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/gunmen-storm-kabul-maternity-ward-killing-13-including-2-newborns/2020/05/12/416a9174-9428-11ea-87a3-22d324235636_story.html



The world has gone mad.
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Gunmen storm Kabul maternity ward, killing 13, including 2 newborns (Original Post) Zorro May 2020 OP
Religious Extremists gone,... magicarpet May 2020 #1
Appalling! dhol82 May 2020 #2
religion poisons everything. n/t spike jones May 2020 #3
Truth Angrybob2001 May 2020 #4
Wasn't there a claim something like this during the Kuwait conflict? csziggy May 2020 #5
What can possibly motivate such an act? jmbar2 May 2020 #6
Those who can make you believe absurdities; can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire spike jones May 2020 #8
That is what stands out for me - it makes no sense csziggy May 2020 #12
Expecting Islamic terrorists to make sense also makes no sense. nt EX500rider May 2020 #23
Islamic State are not a military in Afghanistan; they are, by anyone's definition, a terror group muriel_volestrangler May 2020 #10
Disgusting Devil Child May 2020 #7
So are christian death squads spike jones May 2020 #11
Can't have a thread on Islamist terrorist act without someone pointing to christians Devil Child May 2020 #13
Check out the first six hundred years starting 1000 CE. spike jones May 2020 #17
Is anyone here arguing otherwise? LanternWaste May 2020 #15
now they are attacking Doctors Without Borders RussBLib May 2020 #9
I saw this early today on The BBC but it's too terrible to read let alone post... there are some abqtommy May 2020 #14
"The world has gone mad." LudwigPastorius May 2020 #16
"There they were in a pile...a pile of little arms..." greenjar_01 May 2020 #18
Misogyny? They attacked a ward exclusively for women mainer May 2020 #19
Horrific..Very sad read, warning: in some places humanity has sunk this low.. Stuart G May 2020 #20
These men are NOT Muslims. Haggis for Breakfast May 2020 #21
It takes real manly men jeffreyi May 2020 #22

magicarpet

(14,154 posts)
1. Religious Extremists gone,...
Tue May 12, 2020, 09:17 AM
May 2020

* Frantic,
* Fanatical,
AND,
* Fascist

Think Falwell, Liberty University, Graham, Pat Robertson, and Jim Baker, for the American version of this Fascist Religious crap.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
5. Wasn't there a claim something like this during the Kuwait conflict?
Tue May 12, 2020, 09:46 AM
May 2020

That Iraqi gunmen invaded a maternity ward in Kuwait? I seem to remember that this was later proven to be false. Here:

Nayirah testimony
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Nayirah testimony was a false testimony given before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990 by a 15-year-old girl who provided only her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and President George H. W. Bush in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War. In 1992, it was revealed that Nayirah's last name was al-Ṣabaḥ (Arabic: نيرة الصباح? and that she was the daughter of Saud Al-Sabah, the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States. Furthermore, it was revealed that her testimony was organized as part of the Citizens for a Free Kuwait public relations campaign, which was run by the American public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the Kuwaiti government. Following this, al-Sabah's testimony has come to be regarded as a classic example of modern atrocity propaganda.[1][2]

In her emotional testimony, Nayirah claimed that after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait she had witnessed Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators in a Kuwaiti hospital, take the incubators, and leave the babies to die.

Her story was initially corroborated by Amnesty International, a British NGO, which published several independent reports about the killings[3] and testimony from evacuees. Following the liberation of Kuwait, reporters were given access to the country. An ABC report found that "patients, including premature babies, did die, when many of Kuwait's nurses and doctors ... fled" but Iraqi troops "almost certainly had not stolen hospital incubators and left hundreds of Kuwaiti babies to die."[4][5] Amnesty International reacted by issuing a correction, with executive director John Healey subsequently accusing the Bush administration of "opportunistic manipulation of the international human rights movement".[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony


I have no idea if the same is true here, but invading a maternity ward does not make sense for a military tactic. The only really reason for it would be to inflame passions against those who are blamed for it.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
12. That is what stands out for me - it makes no sense
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:24 AM
May 2020

Unless, as in the Kuwaiti-Iraq conflict claims, it turns out to be a fake news propaganda claim. That was taken as true in 1991 and used to support US and international assistance for Kuwait. Which of course, led to US troops in Saudi Arabia, which led to Bin Laden and Al Qaida going after the US for "defiling their sacred land," acts of terror which led to further conflict and see where we are today!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
10. Islamic State are not a military in Afghanistan; they are, by anyone's definition, a terror group
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:12 AM
May 2020

and remember they have a history of genocide, against the Yazidis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Yazidis_by_ISIL

They don't need things to make sense from a military perspective, or political, for that matter.

MSF confirm the hospital was attacked, and if you don't trust them, then you certainly wouldn't trust anyone. Including DU.




And if you want a "reason" by Islamic State's logic:

The neighbourhood to which the hospital belongs is mostly home to Hazaras, a minority who are mostly Shia Muslims. They have frequently been targeted by Islamic State, including at civilian sites including a gym and a school.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/12/gunmen-attack-kabul-hospital-used-by-medecins-sans-frontieres

To them, Shia Muslims are heretics, and they often murder them.
 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
13. Can't have a thread on Islamist terrorist act without someone pointing to christians
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:24 AM
May 2020

No shit Christian death squads are disgusting.

Feel free to click through the past months as much as you can stomach and you can see who perpetrates the vast majority of terrorist acts in the world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2020

spike jones

(1,679 posts)
17. Check out the first six hundred years starting 1000 CE.
Tue May 12, 2020, 01:20 PM
May 2020

This is where we are heading in our country. It will be Christian death squads here, not Muslim death squads. IMO

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. Is anyone here arguing otherwise?
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:25 PM
May 2020

Or do you simply feel the need to throw in an irrelevant comparison to better satisfy your own visceral agenda?

RussBLib

(9,019 posts)
9. now they are attacking Doctors Without Borders
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:11 AM
May 2020

It's not the world that has gone mad. It's people infected by the toxic ideas of religious leaders. Islam comes to mind.

Boko Haram - Westernization is sacrilege.

Hey, didn't Trumpy declare that all was good now in Afghanistan? Oh, just another lie.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
14. I saw this early today on The BBC but it's too terrible to read let alone post... there are some
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:54 AM
May 2020

things that are hard for me to do, except cry...

mainer

(12,022 posts)
19. Misogyny? They attacked a ward exclusively for women
Tue May 12, 2020, 06:01 PM
May 2020

I can't think of any other reason to target this ward.

In fact, it seems misogyny is the motive for so many attacks, by men who can't find love in any normal way.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
21. These men are NOT Muslims.
Tue May 12, 2020, 08:24 PM
May 2020

There is NOTHING in The Koran that justifies this act. NOTHING.

These men are nothing more than garden variety psychopathic sadists.

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