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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 09:55 AM Sep 2012

ABC News Tracks Missing iPad To Florida Home of TSA Officer

Source: ABC News

In the latest apparent case of what have been hundreds of thefts by TSA officers of passenger belongings, an iPad left behind at a security checkpoint in the Orlando airport was tracked as it moved 30 miles to the home of the TSA officer last seen handling it.

Confronted two weeks later by ABC News, the TSA officer, Andy Ramirez, at first denied having the missing iPad, but ultimately turned it over after blaming his wife for taking it from the airport.

The iPad was one of ten purposely left behind at TSA checkpoints at major airports with a history of theft by government screeners, as part of an ABC News investigation into the TSA's ongoing problem with theft from passengers.

The full video report will be seen today on "Good Morning America," "ABC World News with Diane Sawyer" and "Nightline."

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/abc-news-tracks-missing-ipad-florida-home-tsa/story?id=17331937

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ABC News Tracks Missing iPad To Florida Home of TSA Officer (Original Post) IDemo Sep 2012 OP
Smooth move BarbaRosa Sep 2012 #1
Truly, not the brightest bulb in the candelabra. Now no job, no ipad, petronius Sep 2012 #31
They need to christx30 Sep 2012 #40
TSA job description central scrutinizer Sep 2012 #42
'Find My iPad/iPhone/Mac.' A free and wildly successful, Apple service. nt onehandle Sep 2012 #2
+1,000 Champion Jack Sep 2012 #8
If the thief turned off the GPS setting, would it still be found? JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2012 #14
It's Password protected Brother Buzz Sep 2012 #17
every just remember the app has to be installed before the device is lost michael811 Sep 2012 #23
Few years back my mother had 4 $50 gift cards disappear from her purse at the airport. hobbit709 Sep 2012 #3
how does "his wife took it home" make it any better? KurtNYC Sep 2012 #4
so what was his wife doing at his workplace? hobbit709 Sep 2012 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #6
One thing to remember about this sting is exboyfil Sep 2012 #7
I see your point Stargazer09 Sep 2012 #10
I'm with you d_r Sep 2012 #12
Most paid security at businesses have 10% pilfering vs holding rate on found items? HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #13
Wait, what? eggplant Sep 2012 #19
The TSA is a government agency whose exboyfil Sep 2012 #38
Or the others were smart enough to smell a rat. TheMadMonk Sep 2012 #22
Would you really say a 10% dishonesty rate is "a pretty good job"? demwing Sep 2012 #25
Sorry, but a 10% failure rate in an ofice of public trust and responsibility.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #26
It's not really a 10% failure rate overall - with a sample of just 10, petronius Sep 2012 #28
Agreed, sample size is too small to be definitive.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #35
You're absolutely right about that. Sounds like the news organization detected a real petronius Sep 2012 #37
while they are stealing 10% of our posessions, i wonder what % of contraband they are letting thru? uncle ray Sep 2012 #32
OMG, are you saying this is like a big dog and pony show?!!!! tavalon Sep 2012 #45
What the heck? Stargazer09 Sep 2012 #9
+1 Liberalynn Sep 2012 #41
Shake down after a pat down. nt Javaman Sep 2012 #11
High-end headphones stolen from bag with TSA-approved lock Shanti Mama Sep 2012 #15
Just because it was a TSA "approved" lock, doesn't mean the TSA removed it. PavePusher Sep 2012 #34
That makes no sense Marrah_G Sep 2012 #16
It's one of the dirty secrets Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #18
TSA bongbong Sep 2012 #20
No kidding. They complain when people won't check in their luggage Quantess Sep 2012 #21
Why not pat them down everytime they leave the area. Make them take off their shoes for a piss break marble falls Sep 2012 #24
TSA screening jobs are "make work" for people who LibDemAlways Sep 2012 #27
I have been saying this for years here - TSA is often corrupt flamingdem Sep 2012 #29
K&R nt avebury Sep 2012 #30
Another trick not fooled Sep 2012 #33
stolen credit card number armed_and_liberal Sep 2012 #36
I'm sort of baffled by the responses here. ABC are the stupid assholes in this story. harmonicon Sep 2012 #39
Is This Post For Real? SoCalMusicLover Sep 2012 #43
That's it, I'm a turd. harmonicon Sep 2012 #44

christx30

(6,241 posts)
40. They need to
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:20 PM
Sep 2012

Do away with "Take your theiving Wife to Work Day" at airports nationwide. It seems to be a major security problem. Good thing this honest, upstanding TSA agent was there to retrieve the iPad for the people that list it. Just so sad that he had to bust his wife for the theft.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,364 posts)
14. If the thief turned off the GPS setting, would it still be found?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:31 AM
Sep 2012

IIRC, the GPS can be turned on or off. It can certainly be done in the iPhone, don't remember about the iPad.

Or will "Find my iThing" go through the network and turn it on if it's off? That would be a good capability.

michael811

(67 posts)
23. every just remember the app has to be installed before the device is lost
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:19 PM
Sep 2012

Also it only works if the device is connected to the internet at the time you try and track it

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
3. Few years back my mother had 4 $50 gift cards disappear from her purse at the airport.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:00 AM
Sep 2012

She didn't notice them missing until my brother picked her up at the airport here.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
5. so what was his wife doing at his workplace?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:01 AM
Sep 2012

I mean, a security checkpoint is not the same as going to his office.

Response to IDemo (Original post)

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
7. One thing to remember about this sting is
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:10 AM
Sep 2012

that 9 of 10 were handled correctly according to the story. All checked bags went through as well.

The story should be that the TSA employees did a pretty good job. I bet better than almost any business. That portion of the story was not emphasized (not saying I like the TSA but lets be fair). Run that sting in a department store for example.

Was the employee who took the iPad home part of a union and where his rights protected in the employment action which followed by the TSA?

d_r

(6,907 posts)
12. I'm with you
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:28 AM
Sep 2012

they just left 10 ipads just sitting there, and one of them gets taken home by somebody that works there.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. Most paid security at businesses have 10% pilfering vs holding rate on found items?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:29 AM
Sep 2012

Maybe, but most businesses also have lost and found collections.

I certainly can imagine that percentage among avg people who "find" things on the street.

eggplant

(3,913 posts)
19. Wait, what?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:01 AM
Sep 2012

Change that to "They only inappropriately groped one out of the ten people". Is that just as acceptable?

And WTF does the union have anything to do with some asshole stealing an iPad?

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
38. The TSA is a government agency whose
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:34 PM
Sep 2012

employees are members of a union. Those members have rights including the right to due process. Granted it appears from the news report that he is guilty, but do we know that these reporters are ethically reporting the facts (or are they doing the equivalent of rigging a truck to explode)?

Everyone hates the TSA but would we be willing to crucify this man if he was a teacher or a postal worker w/out contractual due process for example.

I remember when the TSA was first proposed. Many conservatives argued against creating another government agency with government employees. This board is ready to go down that same path. You could blame Bush but Obama has been president for nearly four years now. Why has not the problems with the TSA been corrected?

I frankly think we need something like a TSA. I am not leaving the security of airplanes to the airlines anymore. The decision to protect the airlines in the wake of 9/11 was shameful in my opinion - they should have had to reap the full price of their negligence.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
22. Or the others were smart enough to smell a rat.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:31 AM
Sep 2012

Or were off shift.

Airports were selected for a HISTORY of stolen items.

As for rights, that sort of thievery generally equalls instant dismissal.

And, really, why the fuck are the rights of criminals somehow more important than the rights of their victims?

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
25. Would you really say a 10% dishonesty rate is "a pretty good job"?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:32 PM
Sep 2012

Apply the dishonesty % to bank cashiers, gas pumps, and accountants. Still think 1 in 10 ain't bad?

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
26. Sorry, but a 10% failure rate in an ofice of public trust and responsibility....
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:32 PM
Sep 2012

is not a passing grade. Not even close.

If he stole something, I don't care if he's "union", toss his vile ass in the trash.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
28. It's not really a 10% failure rate overall - with a sample of just 10,
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:43 PM
Sep 2012

the confidence interval is probably ~ +/- 10%. If they did this with 1000 ipads, we'd have a better sense of TSA institutional honesty.

For this individual, however, no excuse - fire him and prosecute. And, take a close look at anyone who was supposed to be supervising him...

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
35. Agreed, sample size is too small to be definitive....
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:16 PM
Sep 2012

but it is certianly at least indicitive that there may be a problem, and certainly merits additional investigation.

petronius

(26,603 posts)
37. You're absolutely right about that. Sounds like the news organization detected a real
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:30 PM
Sep 2012

pattern, and they demonstrated that the problem exists - good work on their part, really. Now TSA (or its oversight) needs to step up and fix it...

uncle ray

(3,157 posts)
32. while they are stealing 10% of our posessions, i wonder what % of contraband they are letting thru?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:46 PM
Sep 2012

likewise, how much $$ would it take to get an opportunist who would steal an Ipad to look the other way?

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
9. What the heck?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:16 AM
Sep 2012

Not only does the guy steal from passengers, he feels the need to blame his wife for taking it home???

Okay, jackass, you deserve to not only lose your job over this, but also your marriage. You told a national news agency that your WIFE stole the iPad that YOU were seen stealing from the airport. If you said this on camera, you might want to find another place to sleep tonight.

I know I wouldn't tolerate that sort of behavior from my spouse.

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
15. High-end headphones stolen from bag with TSA-approved lock
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:33 AM
Sep 2012

Earlier this week I flew through JFK and on to an international flight. When I arrived at my destination I saw that the TSA-approved lock I'd used for the very first time was gone and the zipper on my checked back was not completely shut. There was no note re a TSA check of my bag and expensive headphones purchased by a friend to be brought to her at my destination were gone.

It is soooooooooooo frustrating because there is absolutely no recourse. The email reply I got from TSA said if there was no note indicating a search then no TSA person was in my bag. Period. End of discussion.

In the past I've used the plastic computer cable fasteners and will go back to them now. I think they don't shout out "valuables inside!"

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
34. Just because it was a TSA "approved" lock, doesn't mean the TSA removed it.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:52 PM
Sep 2012

Non-TSA baggage theives are quite good at this as well.

Best bet is to use non-TSA locks (seriously, why would anyone use a Fucktard Agency approved security system?). Get a picture of the locked luggage at the airport, including your dated ticket/boarding pass in the photo. If the lock is missing at your destination, with no TSA notice, complain to them and the airline.

Fortunately, I almost always fly with a firearm in my checked luggage. This requires a non-TSA lock on the gun case and the outer case. If they want to open it, I am required to do so for them. I've never had any problems this way.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. It's one of the dirty secrets
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:47 AM
Sep 2012

Airports are a longtime haven for thieves; not just TSA, but flight attendants, baggage handlers, parking lot attendants, etc. etc...

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
20. TSA
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:25 AM
Sep 2012

I had a brand new (small) fan stolen out of my checked luggage by the TSA. They "thoughtfully" left a little brochure about the "threat" said fan presented. (I was traveling for an extended stay to a hot place where I knew it would be hard to buy a fan)

Now I only pack clothes in checked luggage.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
21. No kidding. They complain when people won't check in their luggage
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:28 AM
Sep 2012

and bring it on the plane instead. Well, we travelers have our reasons!

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
27. TSA screening jobs are "make work" for people who
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:39 PM
Sep 2012

otherwise would be asking "Would you like me to supersize that?" A high school diploma is not even a requirement. Theft aside, I fail to understand how these individuals are capable of making the skies safer. Bottom line is they aren't.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
29. I have been saying this for years here - TSA is often corrupt
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:43 PM
Sep 2012

and they tried to steal my Mac, when I realized I'd left it they didn't want to return it to me and made me jump through hoops.

When I criticize them here they get defended! Too many bad apples in that bunch.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
33. Another trick
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 12:49 PM
Sep 2012

Last time I flew cross-country, the bottles of shampoo and conditioner in a checked bag were opened (caps unscrewed) by TSA and left open to spill all over the bag's contents. This was "punishment" for taking standard-sized original bottles with opaque sides rather than small, clear travel-sized containers.

Scum.

armed_and_liberal

(246 posts)
36. stolen credit card number
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 01:16 PM
Sep 2012

3 years ago I was booked on a flight from NY LaGaurdia to Wilmington NC. Inside my luggage was a clear ziplock baggy with a few items including a credit card which I always keep separate when I travel in case I were to lose my wallet. I got a call in Wilmington that night from the bank who said they had detected a fraudulent charge on my account at a cell phone store in Queens NY. I filed a complaint with TSA, A couple weeks later I had an interview with an investigator who tried to convince me that I had used it earlier that day ( I hadn't used it in months) Over the next two months I received a couple of form letter updates and never heard from them again.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
39. I'm sort of baffled by the responses here. ABC are the stupid assholes in this story.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 03:11 PM
Sep 2012

They purposefully left shit behind and are then upset that it was taken? I say, no shit.

It's not anyone's job to try to track down people who leave things behind somewhere. Where else are people expected to do that? They have other jobs to do.

Someone left a hat at my work. I kept it under the counter for a few weeks, and then I threw it away. Someone left a nice camera behind, and I caught it before they were too far down the street, so I chased them down and gave it back. If someone left an ipad and I didn't catch it, I guess I'd spend a few minutes seeing if someone had a name, address, or phone number on it, but if it didn't and they didn't come after it in a few weeks, I'd take that fucker home. I can only assume this is how most people would act at most jobs. Fuck ABC.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
43. Is This Post For Real?
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:08 PM
Sep 2012

Hopefully you are being VERY Sarcastic, otherwise you're just a turd.

The property should be turned in and held, anything else is THEFT in my book.

It doesn't matter if the person doesn't return in a few days/weeks/whatever. The property is not yours, and other than finding it after being left behind, what right do you have to it? IT IS NOT YOURS!

And we're not talking about someone leaving some change, or some toiletries. These were expensive IPads, and ABC should be applauded for exposing this BS, not criticized for doing an investigation.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
44. That's it, I'm a turd.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sep 2012

Everyone should have added to their job description, "looking after shit that idiots are too stupid to keep track of" - every single fucking job. Every single operation involving employees should have dedicated unlimited storage for shit that morons can't keep ahold of which they may never come back for.

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