FBI to look for Jimmy Hoffa's body at Detroit-area home
Source: NBC News
The FBI and local police in Michigan plan to take soil samples from the backyard of a house in the Detroit suburb of Roseville on Friday, acting on a dying man's tip that the body of former Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa might be buried there.
Authorities have chased down hundreds of would-be leads since Hoffa disappeared 37 years ago after he met with two top Mafia operatives at a restaurant in Bloomfield Township, another Detroit suburb, in July 1975. All have led to dead ends, but authorities said this lead could be different.
NBC station WDIV-TV of Detroit reported that an unidentified man who is dying from cancer told Roseville police that he saw men moving a black bag at the garage of the house just hours after Hoffa went missing. Acting on the tip, authorities ran radar tests last week that picked up an image of something buried beneath a cement slab in the backyard.
Roseville Police Chief James Berlin confirmed that investigators had received the tip, telling the Detroit Free Press that "the information seemed credible, so we decided to follow up on it."
The newspaper reported that the house is in the 18700 block of Florida Street in northern Roseville, about 20 miles northeast of Detroit.
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alp227
(32,064 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)His disappearance was kind of a major event.
AnneD
(15,774 posts)I always said I wanted to know where Amilia Earhart crashed, where Hoffa's body was buried, and for the Cubbies to win the series. I need to make a longer list. I always figured Hoffs was in the cement foundation of some high rise.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Lots of highways though, including one under construction at the time...
AnneD
(15,774 posts)I was thinking New Jorsey or New Yorhk.
Oh...I didn't think about a highway. Our highways buckle in the heat down here-but up North.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)See something like that, you always have to be on guard to not let something slip.
I would say, offhandedly, damn certain. That is, certain he saw the men handling a bag, not certain of its contents.
Gman
(24,780 posts)and he's been waiting all this time to go public.
M_M
(163 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,662 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)this was a really good read imho.
HEARD YOU PAINT HOUSES is a fascinating account of a dark side of American history. The books title comes from the first words Jimmy Hoffa ever spoke to Frank the Irishman Sheeran. To paint a house is to kill a man. The paint is the blood that splatters on the walls and floors.
Frank Sheeran lived a long, violent, passionate life. As a boy he took on older kids in bar fights so his dad could win free beer. During World War II he was a highly decorated infantryman with 411 days of active combat duty and a willingness to follow orders. When an officer would tell you to take a couple of German prisoners back behind the line and for you to hurry back, you did what you had to do. He became a hustler and hit man, working for legendary crime boss Russell Bufalino and eventually becoming one of only two non-Italians on the FBIs famous La Cosa Nostra list. He was also a truck driver who was made head of the Teamsters local in Wilmington, Delaware, by his good friend Jimmy Hoffa. When Hoffa disappeared on July 30, 1975, Sheeran became a leading suspect, and every serious study of the Hoffa disappearance alleges that Sheeran was there.
For the first time the Irishman tells all a lifetime of payoffs (including hand-delivering bags of cash to Nixons attorney general John Mitchell) and manipulation (supporting Joe Bidens election to the Senate with a Teamster action) for the book that would become his deathbed confession. He died on December 14, 2003.
Sheeran also provides shocking new information on notorious mob hits: Joseph Crazy Joey Gallo blown away as he celebrated his forty-third birthday in New Yorks Little Italy; Salvatore Sally Bugs Briguglio long suspected of being a player in the plot to kill Hoffa. And offers new insights to the crusading of Robert Kennedy and the death of John F. Kennedy.
This historic account is based on interviews of Frank Sheeran by Charles Brandt, who researched, cross-checked, and illuminated what Sheeran told him and turned it all into a gripping narrative that is sure to become an instant true crime classic.
http://www.amazon.com/Heard-You-Paint-Houses-Teamsters/dp/1586420771
happyslug
(14,779 posts)First, after 60 days of combat 98% of all soldiers show sign of Combat Fatigue, the remaining 2% are Psychopaths:
http://www.g2mil.com/fatigue.htm
Only four Division had more then 400 days in Combat,:
45th Inf. Div......511
34th Inf. Div......500
1st Inf. Div. .....443
82nd Airbn. Div.....422
http://www.lonesentry.com/usdivisions/days_combat.html
The 45th Infantry unit history:
http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/cbtchron/cc/045id.htm
The 45th loses amounted to 62,907, 3,650 killed in action, 13,729 wounded in action, 3,615 missing in action, 266 captured, and 41,647 non-battle casualties for a total of 62,907. Remember this is out of a 15,000 man unit. Most of the non-battle casualties may have stayed with the unit after the injury was incurred, but it shows you that the unit had an 100% replacement level in its combat arms (The actual infantry units).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)
The 34th division is similar,
http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/cbtchron/cc/034id.htm
The 34th Division suffered 3,737 killed in action, 14,165 wounded in action, and 3,460 missing in action, for a total of 21,362 battle casualties. Please note non-combat casualties are not listed for this unit, but total COMBAT casualties exceeded the total number of soldiers in the division, again indicating an over 100% replacement level in the infantry units.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/34th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)
The First US Division was in combat the third longest time in WWII, 443 days and had the following losses:
Killed in Action: 3,616
Wounded in Action: 15,208
Died of Wounds: 664
Again showing a tendency to have 100% replacement when it came to combat units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Infantry_Division_(United_States)
The 82nd Airborne had 422 days in combat, but much lower losses then the other units:
Casualties
1,619 killed in action
6,560 wounded in action
332 died of wounds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82nd_Airborne_Division
Part of this may be a statistical quark, casualties do to jump injuries are not in the above statistics and could take out soldiers for months at a time.
http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/cbtchron/cc/082abd.htm
More cites with information on US Divisions during WWII:
http://www.lonesentry.com/usdivisions/days_combat.html
http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/cbtchron/cbtchron.html
http://www.historyshots.com/usarmy/backstory.cfm
http://theww2resource.tripod.com/id12.htm
Just a comment, that to have 411 days in combat, may be true, but also that his service was in in a support element of the Unit (i.e. medic, engineer, artillery or someone who, while trained to fight in combat, generally did not) or he was lying.
Given the above report about psychopaths and combat after just 60 days of combat, he may be telling the truth, but I would have to have something more then his word.
Now, Frank Sheeran's Wikipedia cite says he did serve in the 45th, but his training was as an MP, generally a support unit not a combat unit (One of the functions of MPs is to guard prisoners BUT after they had been captured by some infantry unit).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sheeran
Thus Frank Sheeran, could have served 411 days in Combat, behind the lines providing support for the line units, one of his duties would be to guard prisoners (and as a combat reserve if something went wrong). Close enough to the front line to be involved with war crimes and get away with it, but behind enough not to get shot at.
Please note the 45th Infantry unit was accused of war crimes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscari_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_massacre
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)They've been digging up back yards in metro Detroit since I was a "kid"
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)The last thing I rememeber was someone's backyard in Saginaw ... Frankenmuth or Bay City
One has to wonder how much this costs ....?
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Scairp
(2,749 posts)They will never find him. So dig away idiots. Almost no one cares anyway.
trailmonkee
(2,681 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)I don't know anything about this unfortunate man or his circumstances, the thought just struck me.
gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)DBoon
(22,401 posts)silly boy!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)That stuff even dissolves teeth. It's a favorite of mob disposal. If it's true that he was stuck under a concrete slab in Detroit encased in plastic than this is amateur hour stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if they buried him in his clothes. Hell, they might not even have thought to get his wallet.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)I remember watching this show at the time.
randome
(34,845 posts)Everyone knows this.
graegoyle
(532 posts)Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)Are tax-payer dollars being used for this? SMH
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,371 posts)But it looks like they're going to drill a small hole and get a core sample. If it shows human remains, then the driveway will get destroyed, and probably rebuilt, on the government's dime.
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AnneD
(15,774 posts)wasn't as evil as the 1%. They usually didn't touch the wife and kids, or take away your home. They might put a few bullet hole in it, but only if you were high up. They waged war on each other, not other countries.
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justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)some families got financial help without having to payback the money. The mob could be generous in ways the 1% never will be.
Shitty Mitty
(138 posts).
goclark
(30,404 posts)where Robme went to school and bullied the young man.
What was the name of that Restaurant?
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/jimmy_hoffa/1.html
Looked it up....On July 30, 1975, former Teamsters President Jimmy Hoffa stood outside the Machus Red Fox Restaurant in Bloomfield Township, Michigan
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)It implies that there was a link between organized crime and organized labor. And that could not possibly be true.
AnneD
(15,774 posts)Just like there is no link between the drug cartels and WS banksters.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)I was seriously disappointed when they tore down the stadium and did not find him.
It was such a great story--unlikely but a great story.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t