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riversedge

(70,276 posts)
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 10:44 PM Mar 2020

Coronavirus: 'Huge Spike' in Brooklyn Hasidic Community

Source: nytimes



More than 100 test positive in two neighborhoods, all at two urgent care centers crammed with worried families.
Outside the Asisa Urgent Care clinic in Borough Park, Brooklyn, where a crew arrives to clean the facility before it opens.

Updated March 19, 2020, 10:44 a.m. ET

Health officials expressed growing alarm on Wednesday that the coronavirus is spreading quickly in tightly knit Hasidic Jewish communities in Brooklyn, saying that they are investigating a spike in confirmed cases in recent days.

More than 100 people have recently tested positive for the coronavirus in Borough Park and Williamsburg, two Brooklyn neighborhoods with sizable Hasidic Jewish populations — all of them tested at two urgent care centers that have been crowded with anxious patients, according to an urgent care center employee.

The tests were conducted at Asisa Urgent Care facilities in each neighborhood, and the results were all received by the end of the day on Tuesday.

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Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/nyregion/Coronavirus-brooklyn-hasidic-jews.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

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Coronavirus: 'Huge Spike' in Brooklyn Hasidic Community (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2020 OP
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #1
much prayering will do nothing kiri Mar 2020 #8
I spoke with someone from New York about this the other day. liberalmuse Mar 2020 #2
It's because they don't believe in secular government. marybourg Mar 2020 #3
Um what? Abadanassad Mar 2020 #10
Have we forgotten their attitudes when required to exclude marybourg Mar 2020 #11
From today's NYT marybourg Mar 2020 #13
"Not a bigot" (maybe) - but not too bright. Abadanassad Mar 2020 #9
It shouldn't matter if they believe in immunization or not. There is no vaccine. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #12
because they tested, I think they'll find most of NY residents have corona if they ever test many Sunlei Mar 2020 #15
How spread in this kind of case? Separate spreading is among separate families? Some communal emmaverybo Mar 2020 #4
Agree. These more-or-less closed communities DeminPennswoods Mar 2020 #14
Kick dalton99a Mar 2020 #5
Religious fundamentalism at its worst Behind the Aegis Mar 2020 #6
Very true. safeinOhio Mar 2020 #7

Response to riversedge (Original post)

kiri

(796 posts)
8. much prayering will do nothing
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:33 AM
Mar 2020

An anti-science cult, anti-vaxx group; much prayering will do nothing.

Science works whether you believe it or not.

Christians are recommended to Matthew 6.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
2. I spoke with someone from New York about this the other day.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 10:48 PM
Mar 2020

He is wondering if it's because they don't believe in immunizations. He isn't a bigot, but it's an interesting question.

 

Abadanassad

(5 posts)
10. Um what?
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:44 PM
Mar 2020

Hassids live under the secular government of the USA. They pay taxes and obey traffic laws and don’t stone people to death and don’t marry a hundred women like Solomon did.

They are also frequently victims of hate crimes - not just by white neonazos, but also from the blacks, Muslims, and Hispanics who live alongside them and despise them. (Search “antisemitic hate crimes, New York” for a list of all the anti-Jewish violence the mainstream news doesn’t see fit to cover. You’ll be shocked.). So with all the hatred they get, it would be nice if so-called liberals didn’t tell lies about them.

Mostly though, I’m baffled by you thinking that “believing in a secular government” protects anyone from a virus. Obviously, it doesn’t. Look around the world. Most Italians believe in secular government, don’t they? So do most Californians. Certainly most Chinese do. So, one assumes, does the wife of Canada's very very secular prime minister. In fact, so do vast millions of Iranians (not that they have a secular government... they just long for one.) Yet all these superior beings, these “believers in secularism” also get sick with viruses. Their secularism is not a magic shield against biology, science, and medical reality. Only a bizarre sort of faith would claim that a secular outlook will prevent a virus from entering one’s lungs.

Please face the facts. One’s beliefs, lifestyle, religion, clothing, facial hair, language, ethnicity, wealth, name, and status in life have no power to attract or repel a virus. Even secular you and atheist me can get sick. It is true! We can even pass our virus to our secular loved ones. A hundred of our nearest and dearest might fall sick. And when we do.... trust me, no Hasidic Jews will be on a website sneering at our awful tragedy.

Your post seems to want to look down on Hassids for “asking for it” by being religious, just like, wink wink, we all know those gays “asked for it” (HIV) by sinning in the 1980’s, and of course those Liberians, wink wink, “asked for it” (Ebola) by being poor, and those Yemenis also “asked for it” (cholera) by being Muslim.

What you claimed is untrue, insulting - and most of all, it’s so unrelated to the topic at hand that it seems like a deliberate attempt to smear
a minority group you know nothing about. (Quick: name all your Hasidic friends and relatives - you know, the ones you’ve had long late-night talks with; the ones you got your expertise from!).

Smearing a beleaguered minority group one doesn’t know, based on rumors and lies one is all too eager to believe and repeat. .. hmmm... Pretty sure there’s a name for that.

I won’t ask that your post be hidden because I would rather it stand so people can see it and mull over your attitude and perhaps recognize the seeds of bigotry in ourselves.

marybourg

(12,634 posts)
11. Have we forgotten their attitudes when required to exclude
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 11:15 PM
Mar 2020

unvaccinated students from yeshiva? Some complied grudgingly- and some falsified documents. I grew up among them. Call it bigotry if you wish. I call it experience.

 

Abadanassad

(5 posts)
9. "Not a bigot" (maybe) - but not too bright.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 10:25 PM
Mar 2020

There is no vaccine against this Coronavirus - or any other Coronavirus. Anyone can get it. Everyone IS getting it. Yes, even atheists, even doctors, even vaccinated people, even rich people.

So your New York friend and you gave been vaccinated against measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, hep B, shingles, flu, etc. If you or he think for one moment that being vaccinated against Infection X protects you from Totally Different Disease Y... you are not understanding vaccination.

The first Hasidic Jew who got the disease got it just the way Tom Hanks did: he or she picked it up from someone at the store or on the bus or while saying good morning to a neighbor or while helping an old lady across the street.

The other Hasidic families picked it up from the first one because the families are friends and hang out together, eat together, work together,
play together, visit each other, laugh together and pray together.

Infectious illnesses spread faster in big loving families and tight-knit communities (especially those who live modestly and don’t have 4000 square foot mansions to spread out in) than among isolated hermits.

Hasidic Jews tend toward large families and a communal spirit. I wonder if your friend ieagerly speculated about Tom Hanks’ vaccination history. After all, his wife got it too! They must both have a certain “lifestyle”, right?

(Remember when people speculated about those of us who had HIV: “Is it because of their lifestyle? Didn’t they kinda ask for it?”)

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
4. How spread in this kind of case? Separate spreading is among separate families? Some communal
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 11:14 PM
Mar 2020

Link? All hugging all the time? I get how one nurse in a care home might spread to all patients, but not this. I can also see how aerosolized particles in a close environment, no air, nothing to disturb them might spread by a chain transmission, but many studies suggest this, outside of healthcare settings, not the source of frequent transmission.

I get on a bus how everyone so close together, maybe many touch doors or same pole getting on or off...

Speculation?

DeminPennswoods

(15,289 posts)
14. Agree. These more-or-less closed communities
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 08:04 AM
Mar 2020

are good place to gather data on how the disease spreads. This would be useful information for all the folks doing predictive models.

Behind the Aegis

(53,975 posts)
6. Religious fundamentalism at its worst
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:24 AM
Mar 2020

However, I am sure this will be bring joy to a certain segment of people who will relish in their (the Hassidims') illness. It will also likely play a part in some of the anti-Semitic conspiracies floating around in the ether.

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