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BumRushDaShow

(129,355 posts)
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 04:05 PM Mar 2020

Dow plunges 3,000 points as Fed intervention does little to subdue Wall Street's distress

Source: Washington Post

Wall Street cannot be calmed when it comes to the coronavirus. Government intervention and assurances, from a $50 billion spending package to combat the outbreak in the U.S. to directives from President Trump to “buy the dip” have done little to subdue Wall Street’s distress. Even the Federal Reserve taking its most drastic steps to shore up the economy since the 2008 financial crisis was met with outsized volatility, amid worries that all the tools in the government’s belt would not be enough to keep the U.S. economy from toppling into a recession.

The jaw-dropping swings of recent weeks have erased most Wall Street’s gains since Trump’s 2016 election, and the VIX volatility index has reached its third-highest level ever. All major U.S. indices are now in a bear market, with the Standard & Poor’s 500 and Nasdaq shredding more than 25 percent off their February highs, and the Dow Jones industrial average down 28 percent.

Panic reached a fever-pitch Monday morning as investors reacted to the Fed’s plan to slash interest rates to zero, buy $700 billion in government bonds and mortgage-backed securities and revive a crisis-era “quantitative easing” program. The S&P 500 tumbled more than 8 percent less than a minute into the session, triggering the fourth forced halt to trading in two weeks. The Dow plunged more than 2,250 points,

There was some bounce back as the day progressed, but it evaporated as the closing bell neared. The Dow cratered nearly 3,000 points and nearly 13 percent. The S&P 500 plunged nearly 12 percent and tech-heavy Nasdaq skidded 12.3 percent.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/16/stocks-markets-today-coronavirus/



Original headline: Stocks tank across the board as Fed intervention does little to subdue Wall Street's distress
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Dow plunges 3,000 points as Fed intervention does little to subdue Wall Street's distress (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 OP
CNN: Dow tumbles 2,999 points as Trump says this new normal could last until August yaesu Mar 2020 #1
WaPo just updated their headline BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #2
people who own stocks determined to crash the economy. selfish and greedy nt msongs Mar 2020 #3
I own stocks. Can you elaborate? NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #10
That's not exactly how it works. The vast majority of stockholders want steady gains. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #17
Much of this crash is being driven by the oil price war Warpy Mar 2020 #21
Agreed MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #33
Oh my god PatSeg Mar 2020 #4
"I always made a lot of money in bad markets. I love bad markets." Trump 2007 TheFourthMind Mar 2020 #5
I think this stock plunge is entirely due to the Republicans mismanagement cstanleytech Mar 2020 #6
Yepper spot on.................... turbinetree Mar 2020 #8
So now the dow is at about the same place it was when the stable genius took over. beastie boy Mar 2020 #7
We did buy the dip, on November 9, 2016. That's the problem. NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #9
Worst day since 1987 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2020 #11
What do you bet he's been short the whole time? bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #15
BINGO! maddogesq Mar 2020 #23
Eurodollar interest rate call options Lucky Luciano Mar 2020 #37
A show of no confidence by Wall Street and investors duforsure Mar 2020 #12
From the Feb. 12 high of 29, 551 dixiegrrrrl Mar 2020 #13
So true!!! nt wolfie001 Mar 2020 #29
Yay! Crash! bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #14
That is the Worse Drop In History. TomCADem Mar 2020 #16
They're out of ammo, barring negative interest rates and more borrowing. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #20
This is not the bottom, and shouldn't be the bottom. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #18
Peeps be along soon to tell you how much your still up Bengus81 Mar 2020 #19
One month ago from all time highs IronLionZion Mar 2020 #22
Single point of failure. BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #24
Biden and Sanders should promote making at least Medical supplies in America IronLionZion Mar 2020 #25
Exactly BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #28
Clearly - yes! trump disaster empedocles Mar 2020 #26
There goes 401k and retirement plans. FloridaBlues Mar 2020 #27
There goes Don's teflon. Looks like he's going to need an asbestos track suit. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #30
He has Putin. That is all he needs... olddad65 Mar 2020 #32
Is Putin going to prop up Wall Street? I don't think so. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #34
Remember the good old days, like just last week.... Brother Buzz Mar 2020 #31
2351 is the next support level for S&P 500 MoonlitKnight Mar 2020 #35
Maybe someone should start a MAGAt 401K Appreciation Thread /nt bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #36

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
1. CNN: Dow tumbles 2,999 points as Trump says this new normal could last until August
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 04:10 PM
Mar 2020

I revised the numbers in title to match the closing. 20,186.52 ?2,999.10 (12.94%)

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
17. That's not exactly how it works. The vast majority of stockholders want steady gains.
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 04:55 PM
Mar 2020

Some downward pressure is actually responsible and healthy. Frantic attempts to intervene by the Fed and promises of aid by Congress are actually going to exacerbate the panic.

Warpy

(111,327 posts)
21. Much of this crash is being driven by the oil price war
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 05:07 PM
Mar 2020

With oil prices cratering, outfits like mutual funds and hedge funds started it off by trying to unload their energy stocks before the other guys did, which of course never really works all that well.

The Fed went into panic mode and with interest rates at 0, they are out of tricks and everybody knows it.

This is likely to seesaw back and forth a lot as bargain hunters swoop in, but the overall trend will be down for the next couple of weeks, at least.

Small investors are not the reason for this. Little fish don't stand to lose millions if their Exxon stock goes down a buck a share and they're mostly staying where they are and watching the carnage as what started in energy stocks has spread to everything else.

So put your blame where it belongs, on Putin and Mohammad bin Salman and on all the funds who pushed the panic button instead of just realizing price wars usually don't last more than a month and riding it all out.

Put your blame on an administration that wasted trillions on a tax cur nobody needed in order to hyper inflate the stock market so they had boasting rights to a great economy while people slowly starved and did without medical care.

Don't blame stockholders across the board because those 401K plans have somehow crashed a great economy. They didn't.

TheFourthMind

(343 posts)
5. "I always made a lot of money in bad markets. I love bad markets." Trump 2007
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 04:31 PM
Mar 2020

Great again really contradicts his love for the not-so-great.

beastie boy

(9,402 posts)
7. So now the dow is at about the same place it was when the stable genius took over.
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 04:36 PM
Mar 2020

Four years of Obama's coattails down the shitter, and it ain't over yet...

maddogesq

(1,245 posts)
23. BINGO!
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 05:10 PM
Mar 2020

And his fund buddies getting hot short tips from Larry the Cud prior to pressers or WH announcements.

Lucky Luciano

(11,258 posts)
37. Eurodollar interest rate call options
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 08:47 PM
Mar 2020

Inter meeting rate cuts of 150 bps will cause some ripples had they been purchased before March 3rd for the March 2020 contract. Trading the mid curves are interesting too, but they expired Friday. Or note the 30y bond issued Feb 15 reached an intraday high of 135 a few days ago...so ultra long bond call options could have been amusing too for someone with prior knowledge of surprise rate cuts.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. From the Feb. 12 high of 29, 551
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 04:46 PM
Mar 2020


to the low now of 20,355, in 34 days.

He's gone from killing his various businesses to killing our national budget and now taking out investors in the market.
and yet, he gets up every morning and somehow makes things even worse than the day before..

I'm stunned. I wander thru the house every day going thru a lifetime's worth of WTF??????

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. They're out of ammo, barring negative interest rates and more borrowing.
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 05:05 PM
Mar 2020

Which, certain parties are actually champing at the bit to do so, for obvious reasons that will not benefit 99.9% of the country.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
18. This is not the bottom, and shouldn't be the bottom.
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 04:59 PM
Mar 2020

It's going to go a lot lower. Frantic attempts to prop it up don't change the fundamentals, any more than the age old 'pushing string' analogy.

They've actually made it worse by attempting to intervene. Injections of capital and rate adjustments must be timed correctly, not 'OH GOD FED DO SOMETHING MY POLL NUMBERS SUCK'. They're just stacking debt on top of debt, hoping it'll raise some 'irrational exuberance'. The fundamentals don't warrant it. Fuck they intervened twice over the weekend. Expecting instant relief. What do they think is coming in the NEXT 2-8 weeks?

Nothing is solved, so it's going to get worse. And they are AGGRESSIVELY making it worse, and depleting all tools that could be used to right the ship in 2-3 months when it could have some positive effect.

Bengus81

(6,932 posts)
19. Peeps be along soon to tell you how much your still up
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 05:04 PM
Mar 2020

Last edited Mon Mar 16, 2020, 06:12 PM - Edit history (1)

since Don the CON took office. Remember this number: 19,827

That's when your last cent under Trump disappears--a mere 361 points. Or Tuesday/Wednesday

Google's price per share has been rolled back to June 2019. One of my favorite stocks from way back is PPG--my dad worked for them for decades before retiring in 1988. That stock has taken a haircut all that way back into Sept 2013.

Atta boy Trump.

IronLionZion

(45,511 posts)
22. One month ago from all time highs
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 05:09 PM
Mar 2020

The Fed has fired all it has into the markets now. This country's priorities are so bad that we are witnessing structural damage.

The stock market is the tip of the iceberg. Companies depending on travel, entertainment, events, etc. are laying off their employees.

The restaurant/bar/club industry is next with the lockdowns.

The retail industry failures are accelerating hard as people stop going to shops.

Supply lines in Asia are already badly broken for making many goods, including important things like medicines and medical supplies/ equipment.

We're going to wish China didn't make all our stuff. Their authoritarian measures will show them recovering from this pandemic before the US does. And Trump's antagonizing personality is not going to win any sympathy or support from our allies.

IronLionZion

(45,511 posts)
25. Biden and Sanders should promote making at least Medical supplies in America
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 05:20 PM
Mar 2020

Yes I know our national values are profit over people. But there should be some incentive to have our own country make critical things we need instead of sourcing from the lowest cost country, which will almost always be China.

BumRushDaShow

(129,355 posts)
28. Exactly
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 05:30 PM
Mar 2020

And after 9/11, there was supposed to be a "National Stockpile" at various locations around the country that could be moved out on 18-wheelers as needed for emergencies/disasters. Am wondering what happened with that?

Website for that - https://www.phe.gov/about/sns/Pages/default.aspx

I guess the answer to my question is here -

Face masks in national stockpile have not been substantially replenished since 2009



By Beth Reinhard and Emma Brown
March 10, 2020 at 4:57 p.m. EDT

The H1N1 influenza pandemic of 2009 triggered the largest deployment in U.S. history of the Strategic National Stockpile, the federal government’s last-resort cache of drugs and medical supplies. The stockpile distributed 85 million N95 respirators — fitted face masks that block most airborne particles — along with millions of other masks, gowns and gloves.

The gear to protect medical personnel came from multibillion dollar emergency funding authorized by Congress in 2007 and 2009, leading to calls for the government to better prepare for the next outbreak. The trade group for manufacturers of personal protective equipment in mid-2009 urged “immediate action” to restock N95 masks. The International Safety Equipment Association warned of “significant shortages” if another pandemic caused demand for masks to surge.

A nonprofit representing public health agencies, the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials (ASTHO), echoed industry’s appeal in a 2010 report funded by the federal government, recommending the repository of masks be “replenished for future events.” But the stockpile’s reserves were not significantly restored after the 2009 pandemic, in the view of industry and public health experts. With a limited budget of about $600 million annually, officials in charge of the stockpile focused on what they say was a more pressing priority: lifesaving drugs and equipment for diseases and disasters that emerged before the new coronavirus, which has no vaccine or specific anti-viral treatment.

“In hindsight, it appears to be shortsighted,” said Gerrit Bakker, ASTHO senior director of public health preparedness. “It’s an issue of, ‘Will there be any (masks) left when they get to me? And if the stockpile won’t have enough for my state, what am I going to do?’ ” The limitations of the stockpile — valued at $7 billion — reflect challenges in what many experts say is an underfunded public health system that leans toward smaller inventories to hold down costs and looks to fast-moving private supply chain when crises emerge. Public health and emergency preparedness officials also say the stockpile’s budget lags the expanding threats of the past two decades — from terrorist attacks, to natural disasters to deadly infectious diseases.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/face-masks-in-national-stockpile-have-not-been-substantially-replenished-since-2009/2020/03/10/57e57316-60c9-11ea-8baf-519cedb6ccd9_story.html

Brother Buzz

(36,457 posts)
31. Remember the good old days, like just last week....
Mon Mar 16, 2020, 07:12 PM
Mar 2020

when a jaw dropping thousand point drop was heady stuff?

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