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Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:23 PM Feb 2020

White House asks scientists to investigate origins of coronavirus

Source: ABC

The White House on Thursday asked U.S. scientists and medical researchers to investigate the scientific origins of the novel coronavirus, as misinformation about the outbreak spreads online.

The director of the White House's Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), in a letter to the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine, requested that scientific experts "rapidly" look into the origins of the virus in order to address both the current spread and "to inform future outbreak preparation and better understand animal/human and environmental transmission aspects of coronaviruses."

The national academies consist of private, nonprofit institutions charged with providing scientific support to the federal government.

The director of the OSTP, Kelvin Droegemeier, wrote in the letter to the president of the National Academy of Sciences, Marcia McNutt, that a widely disputed paper on the origins -- subsequently withdrawn -- had shown the urgency for accurate information about the genesis of the outbreak.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-asks-scientists-investigate-origins-coronavirus/story?id=68807304



I will not be surprised if the virus is found to have originated in a Chinese bio-weapons laboratory. Wuhan possesses such a facility.
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White House asks scientists to investigate origins of coronavirus (Original Post) Devil Child Feb 2020 OP
But they don't believe in scientists . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #1
You stole my first thought bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #4
Where are the faith healers? They should be flocking to the hospitals. keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #10
They can always take a one way flight to Wuhan Devil Child Feb 2020 #11
My first thought Rebl2 Feb 2020 #18
My thought as well. thenelm1 Feb 2020 #34
Actually, ... no. They have multiple layers and levels of containment. So, no. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2020 #38
Probably a liberal conspiracy. olddad65 Feb 2020 #2
but first, i'd like for you to do me this favor though ... dweller Feb 2020 #3
Center for Disease Control budget cuts biting us bigly. nature-lover Feb 2020 #5
How long before "Hunter & Joe Biden started the virus as .. Jarqui Feb 2020 #6
NO!! You are COMPLETELY WRONG!!! AZ8theist Feb 2020 #37
You mean the missing emails... Bradical79 Feb 2020 #49
OF COURSE!!!!! AZ8theist Feb 2020 #50
It was started by a certain someone taking too many golden showers. nt yaesu Feb 2020 #7
That is nonsense. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #8
Nonsense is dismissing all possible origins Devil Child Feb 2020 #9
Your link is to paid content from Del Bigtree Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #12
anti vac nut job keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #15
Just one theory, not the only theory Devil Child Feb 2020 #16
But you know how Cheeto loves demonizing the Chinese (and most other non-European faw'ners) sandensea Feb 2020 #23
Not necessarily nonsense. EndlessWire Feb 2020 #27
Were the other two major corona virus outbreaks Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author dewsgirl Feb 2020 #13
Coranavirus outbreaks happen and are one of Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #17
You know its all going to be traced back to Nancy and the DNC. milestogo Feb 2020 #14
And good ol' George Soros sandensea Feb 2020 #24
And the Clenis. milestogo Feb 2020 #30
I'm intrigued. sandensea Feb 2020 #32
I'd forgotten about the enduring threat of Clenis! hatrack Feb 2020 #33
They will never find the true source. roamer65 Feb 2020 #19
Actually they will. Science has gotten Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #21
You mean scientists hadn't thought of doing this already? cab67 Feb 2020 #20
no shit Skittles Feb 2020 #22
I will not be surprised to find out it originated where SARS did, in bats Warpy Feb 2020 #25
Bats via pangolins... Ghost Dog Feb 2020 #28
Thanks. Pangolins are used in Chines medicine Warpy Feb 2020 #31
I suppose they will investigate Hillary, Biden and Obama doc03 Feb 2020 #26
Who really cares where it originated? I don't! I want them to work on curing it!!! n/t napi21 Feb 2020 #29
Dementia Donnie asks for the "oranges" of the coronavirus to be investigated? area51 Feb 2020 #35
US underprepared for coronavirus due to Trump cuts, say health experts CottonBear Feb 2020 #36
This WH has an Office of Science andTechnology Policy? sinkingfeeling Feb 2020 #39
And they'll conclude that Hillary did it IronLionZion Feb 2020 #40
The Biden's are behind it- packman Feb 2020 #41
Trumps scientific team🤪 nwduke Feb 2020 #42
TRANSLATION: Trump White House demands investigation of origins of coronavirus rocktivity Feb 2020 #43
If it continues to accelerate through the populations.. Maxheader Feb 2020 #45
Question--- pazzyanne Feb 2020 #46
Damn! You beat me to it! robbob Feb 2020 #47
It must be if the president pronounces it that way. pazzyanne Feb 2020 #48
I've been waiting for someone in the administration to blame gay people. Laffy Kat Feb 2020 #51

bucolic_frolic

(43,307 posts)
4. You stole my first thought
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:31 PM
Feb 2020

These bozos should be turning to preachers and faith healers ... who's the bigger fraud? They can't even be consistent anti-scientist scientists

keithbvadu2

(36,923 posts)
10. Where are the faith healers? They should be flocking to the hospitals.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:47 PM
Feb 2020

Send in Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, Paula White and the rest.


thenelm1

(854 posts)
34. My thought as well.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:08 AM
Feb 2020

Our hubris as to how "smart" we are will get us all killed. In this case the outbreak was in China, but don't forget for a moment that similar playing around with "super bugs" is also happening in some labs here in the US, Russia, Japan or wherever. I understand that scientists are trying to research and prevent future outbreaks of a population decimating pandemic, but the hubris comes from thinking that their containment protocols are totally fool proof. All it takes is one failure or mistake.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,045 posts)
38. Actually, ... no. They have multiple layers and levels of containment. So, no.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 07:29 AM
Feb 2020

It would not take a single failure or mistake. If that's all it took it would have been game over in the first week.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
6. How long before "Hunter & Joe Biden started the virus as ..
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:34 PM
Feb 2020

an attempt to overthrow Trump when the impeachment was failing" ?

Things are so nuts that doesn't seem as far fetched as it should be

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
49. You mean the missing emails...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:01 PM
Feb 2020

...in Ukraine? The same Ukraine Hunter Biden worked in! It all makes sense!

AZ8theist

(5,498 posts)
50. OF COURSE!!!!!
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 02:05 AM
Feb 2020

Because that's where the DNC SERVER IS!!!!!
YOU'RE RIGHT!! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Voltaire2

(13,187 posts)
8. That is nonsense.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:37 PM
Feb 2020

Coronaviruses are widespread in mammal species and have demonstrated the capability to jump between species.

We don’t need to demonize the Chinese, we need to rebuild our public health infrastructure.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
9. Nonsense is dismissing all possible origins
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:47 PM
Feb 2020
Dr. Lyons-Weiler, of the Institute for Pure and Applied Knowledge, showed and explained how the coronavirus’s genetic sequence--which has been publicly released by China-- contains a unique “middle fragment” encoding a SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) spike protein that appears, according to his genomic analysis, to have been inserted into the 2019-nCoV virus using ” pShuttle ” technology. This technique can only be done in a lab, as it has never occurred naturally in nature.

Dr. Lyons-Weiler buttresses his point with the following facts:

“This isn’t a ‘conspiracy theory,’ it is a scientific, medical theory,” says Del Bigtree, the Emmy-winning producer and founder of non-profit Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN). “Its foundation is based on sound science, logic, and research, and the mainstream media needs to be asked whether it is going to pursue this link to SARS instead of trying to censor anyone who is trying to pursue truth via scientific fact.”

Dr. Lyons-Weiler has put all of the scientific evidence backing his theory on the web for other scientists and interested parties to research on their own. He says that new sequences related to the study come in every day, and that he will publish a definitive final study that challenges the contention that 2019 n-CoV has no history of recombination. He told Highwire that if there have been covert vaccination studies using this virus in China, the human subjects in such trials may have become super-sensitized to secondary challenge from natural infection, which is what animal studies to date have found for every experimental vaccines that uses recombinant SARS proteins.

https://apnews.com/PR%20Newswire/ff548c99a03afb0d69bb7871f7cd4fc0

I’m less concerned with the government of China and their sensitivities as much as the scientific community answering all possible questions about this viral outbreak.

Voltaire2

(13,187 posts)
12. Your link is to paid content from Del Bigtree
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:52 PM
Feb 2020

an anti vac nut job.

Thanks for validating my assertion that your “Chinese bio war” theory is nonsense.

 

Devil Child

(2,728 posts)
16. Just one theory, not the only theory
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:56 PM
Feb 2020

Time will tell and I’d much rather the virus have benign natural origins.

sandensea

(21,672 posts)
23. But you know how Cheeto loves demonizing the Chinese (and most other non-European faw'ners)
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 11:46 PM
Feb 2020

Especially right before an election.

EndlessWire

(6,569 posts)
27. Not necessarily nonsense.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:09 AM
Feb 2020

If our own CDC doesn't know, and our government has to direct them to try to discover the truth, then something is wrong there. I am guessing that some forms of bio weapons are built on naturally-occurring pathogens and viruses. And, since one fact we do know is that there IS a lab at the origination area, then this opinion is every bit as valid as anyone else's.

I have read that three different critters are responsible. We hear wildly different numbers being put forth, etc. The most alarming thing I read was about the 34-year old doctor losing his life from this virus. There is something in this story that doesn't add up.

I do not intend to "demonize" the Chinese. Chinese citizens are like any other common citizen. Just people being oppressed. But, I don't think that they are telling the complete story here. And, if this is from a bio lab, they are never going to tell us all about it.

The world's economy is going to be disrupted. This virus is spreading like wildfire. Not to stoke the fires of panic, but this is a serious problem.

Heck, I never got past the Australian wildfires, and now this.

Voltaire2

(13,187 posts)
44. Were the other two major corona virus outbreaks
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 02:45 PM
Feb 2020

also manufactured in Chinese bio labs, or just this one?

Response to Devil Child (Original post)

Voltaire2

(13,187 posts)
17. Coranavirus outbreaks happen and are one of
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:56 PM
Feb 2020

very real pandemic threats. But they occur naturally. We don’t need tin foil xenophobic nonsense, we need a strong and global public health system.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
19. They will never find the true source.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 11:05 PM
Feb 2020

They never proved the source of the 1918-1920 flu pandemic virus.

Voltaire2

(13,187 posts)
21. Actually they will. Science has gotten
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 11:15 PM
Feb 2020

a lot more sophisticated. Genetic analysis will likely pinpoint the origin.

Warpy

(111,354 posts)
25. I will not be surprised to find out it originated where SARS did, in bats
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:04 AM
Feb 2020

which is what virologists are now saying.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
28. Bats via pangolins...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:26 AM
Feb 2020
... South China Agricultural University in Guangzhou says that two of its researchers, Shen Yongyi and Xiao Lihua, have identified the pangolin as the potential source of nCoV-2019 on the basis of a genetic comparison of coronaviruses taken from the animals and from humans infected in the outbreak and other findings. The sequences are 99% similar, the researchers reported at press conference on 7 February...

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00364-2?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=organic&utm_campaign=NGMT_USG_JC01_GL_Nature

Warpy

(111,354 posts)
31. Thanks. Pangolins are used in Chines medicine
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:46 AM
Feb 2020

which is one reason they are critically endangered.

This article says the virus is 90% similar with n-2019 coronavirus: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-endangered-pangolin-could-be-the-missing-link-gsrxb08qw

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
36. US underprepared for coronavirus due to Trump cuts, say health experts
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 06:26 AM
Feb 2020

This article excerpt is from The Guardian (UK) online site:



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/us-coronavirus-budget-cuts-trump-underprepared

US underprepared for coronavirus due to Trump cuts, say health experts

Coronavirus outbreak
US underprepared for coronavirus due to Trump cuts, say health experts
Steps put in place after Ebola outbreak have been scrapped
Post of global health czar eliminated and CDC funding cut
What is coronavirus and how worried should we be?

Julian Borger in Washington
Fri 31 Jan 2020 11.42 EST

US preparedness to deal with the threat of coronavirus has been hampered by the personnel and budget cuts made by the Trump administration over the past three years, according to health experts.
There is no one in the White House tasked specifically to oversee a coordinated government-wide response in the event of a pandemic, since the post of senior director for global health security and biothreats on the national security council (NSC) was eliminated last May.

<snip>

“The fact that they explicitly dismantled the office in the White House that was tasked with preparing for exactly this kind of a risk is hugely concerning,” said Konyndyk, now a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development. “Both the structure and all the institutional memory is gone now.”

Funding has also been cut drastically to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), forcing it to reduce or discontinue epidemic-prevention efforts in 39 out of the 49 countries it had been helping. Among the countries where CDC efforts were scaled back were Haiti, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo as well as China, where the agency provided technical assistance.

<snip>

Funding will also dry up this year for a tiered epidemic response within the US. The system was set up in the aftermath of the Ebola scare, and involved identifying patients infected by “special pathogens” in frontline hospitals and their transfer up a chain of specially equipped regional hospitals where they could be safely treated.

<snip>

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/us-coronavirus-budget-cuts-trump-underprepared


sinkingfeeling

(51,474 posts)
39. This WH has an Office of Science andTechnology Policy?
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 07:54 AM
Feb 2020

Is this policy to eliminate both science and technology?






 

packman

(16,296 posts)
41. The Biden's are behind it-
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:14 AM
Feb 2020

they ate Chinese food once at a restaurant, so the White House is investigating .

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
43. TRANSLATION: Trump White House demands investigation of origins of coronavirus
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:41 AM
Feb 2020

so that it can be blamed on Democrats


rocktivity

Maxheader

(4,374 posts)
45. If it continues to accelerate through the populations..
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

Yes...stumpy will blame pelosi...Though, if it slows..stops..the yellow haired idiot will claim itself the victor...

pazzyanne

(6,557 posts)
48. It must be if the president pronounces it that way.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 08:54 PM
Feb 2020

Oh, wait. The buffoon is an illiterate "genesis".

Laffy Kat

(16,386 posts)
51. I've been waiting for someone in the administration to blame gay people.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 02:13 AM
Feb 2020

God is punishing us, blah, blah, blah. Of course, the situation will also give 45 another reason to ban non-white people from entering the country.

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