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Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:25 PM Feb 2020

A Nashville Art School Will Purge All Non-Christian Faculty Now That It Has Been Taken Over by a Rel

Source: Artnet

Earlier this week, students, and faculty at the Watkins College of Art in Nashville, Tennessee, were shocked to learn that their school would be absorbed by Belmont University, a local Christian institution that has made national headlines over the last decade for allegedly retaliating against faculty who went against its strict code of faith.
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The open letter, which currently has more than 1,600 signatures, calls for academic and financial transparency from university leadership, as well as assurances that students will not experience censorship. Additionally, critics of the merger want to ensure that Watkins staff are provided severance if they are prevented from joining Belmont University, which requires that its faculty adhere to Christianity and does not hire teachers outside the religion.

“We do not hire people who are not Christian,” Thomas Burns, Belmont’s provost, clarified in a response to questions at a town hall on Wednesday. “So the ones who are not Christian will not be eligible to work at Belmont. That’s just part of who we are.”



Read more: https://news.artnet.com/art-world/chaos-unfolds-as-students-and-faculty-at-nashville-arts-school-learn-of-merger-with-christian-university-1767246



The arts college has been around forever, but started running into trouble a few years ago.

What's shocking is how Nashville has supposedly become the "IT" city, for creatives, and this is happening.

Amazon is moving a logistics center here. Apple is rumored to be opening a division of its music department -- and no one thought to hit up them or any of the other corporations moving here for money to train the kids who will one day be making their advertisements?

This is some scary shit.
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A Nashville Art School Will Purge All Non-Christian Faculty Now That It Has Been Taken Over by a Rel (Original Post) Upward Feb 2020 OP
Imagine, if you will, the reverse - an art college... dchill Feb 2020 #1
Somehow Grokenstein Feb 2020 #4
Bizarro World religion. dchill Feb 2020 #7
Bet there will be serious censorship of their artwork. TNNurse Feb 2020 #38
Wouldn't be a good art school I would imagine treestar Feb 2020 #42
Sounds like Watkins students and faculty have been betrayed by their own 'leadership' SharonClark Feb 2020 #2
We need to tackle laws that give these religious zealots a pass to discriminate. It is outrageous tulipsandroses Feb 2020 #3
Someone would have to sue to get in treestar Feb 2020 #43
Intolerance is the anathema of art bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #5
It's also the antithesis of Christianity Warpy Feb 2020 #22
+1000 Ohiogal Feb 2020 #30
Don't call yourself Christian and ignore the safeinOhio Feb 2020 #6
The words of Christ (and yours) fall on deaf ears... dchill Feb 2020 #8
Do they receive any federal aid? 3Hotdogs Feb 2020 #9
Coming to a college, school, town near you.. and worse... pangaia Feb 2020 #10
Who are 'Christians'? keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #11
Obviously THEY decide! Maeve Feb 2020 #12
Christians of all flavors spend time Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #26
"They all think that they're the only ones up here." keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #32
Why is it tight sphinctered sorts are the ones most likely to interfere with other people's G*d ... marble falls Feb 2020 #13
Isn't a very Christian thing to do nt benld74 Feb 2020 #14
This is the same university that Gonzales teaches at. Lars39 Feb 2020 #15
Aha! So there's a reason the annual PBS Christmas at Belmont special sucks. tanyev Feb 2020 #16
This is a new form of venture capitalism Javaman Feb 2020 #17
exactly! define "christian" IcyPeas Feb 2020 #18
Accredited school, or just an outfit that purports to teach art? n/t Odoreida Feb 2020 #19
How long before Christian owned hospitals and medical centers ban non-Christian patients? n/t spike jones Feb 2020 #20
That's been happening a while now. littlemissmartypants Feb 2020 #45
Catholics are taking over all the hospitals and billing systems. Can't BAN abortion, but they've AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #50
Men's health as well exboyfil Feb 2020 #52
We need a new word for this type of "Christian." Taliban has already been taken. Jesus said that one Karadeniz Feb 2020 #21
The Talibornagain. tanyev Feb 2020 #25
What's the difference between religion and a cult? chwaliszewski Feb 2020 #23
Transfer Now! BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #24
Oh, I had forgotten that the most bogus religion on the planet olddad65 Feb 2020 #27
So, the students are only allowed to create velvet Jesus paintings? AJT Feb 2020 #28
They can do Elvis too Generic Other Feb 2020 #29
Obi-Wan as Jesus keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #33
brilliant! Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #49
So that means anyone who is Muslim or Jewish is out? YOHABLO Feb 2020 #31
Not Ingersollman Feb 2020 #48
Yep, Watkins has been in Nashville for...well...forever it seems... paleotn Feb 2020 #34
Sounds like its going to be a really lame art school. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #35
+1 Exactly treestar Feb 2020 #44
to be precise azureblue Feb 2020 #36
Religion ruins everything. Mickju Feb 2020 #37
"absorbed by Belmont University" The pos Belmont U. took over another school to censor it rockfordfile Feb 2020 #39
Your post just made it clear how fucked America is maxrandb Feb 2020 #40
What? I think she lives in that state. rockfordfile Feb 2020 #51
Belmont University... czarjak Feb 2020 #41
I wonder how many students will suddenly see the light in the mist and miraculously littlemissmartypants Feb 2020 #46
Seriously doubt any of the current students signed up to get a BFA in fig leafing. Mersky Feb 2020 #47
Will students leave? matt819 Feb 2020 #53

dchill

(38,502 posts)
1. Imagine, if you will, the reverse - an art college...
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:36 PM
Feb 2020

...that will not hire any Christians. Imagine the indignant, outraged reaction.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. Wouldn't be a good art school I would imagine
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 11:37 AM
Feb 2020

even for a Christian, if that were the case.

How can one tell is art is Christian or not, is another thing. If I do a painting of a river, my religious beliefs would not affect it.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
2. Sounds like Watkins students and faculty have been betrayed by their own 'leadership'
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:37 PM
Feb 2020

"Earlier today, Watkins chairman Steve Sirls, emailed alumni of the college to defend the board’s decision to pursue a merger with Belmont. “We fully recognize that this news has been hard for some of our students and alumni to absorb,” he wrote. “Change can be difficult, and we are working to help all those who love Watkins.”

“The reality is that very few faculty will end up at Belmont,” the instructor continued continued, pointing out that some teachers are not Christians and would therefore be automatically denied at the university. “Some people have been at Watkins for over 25 years, but there would be redundancies staffing-wise. Belmont doesn’t need our admissions and financial aid personnel, and there aren’t many teaching positions open in their art departments.”

Two totally different cultures, like Belmont and Watkins, can't merge. I hope the Watkins students can transfer to real art schools.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
3. We need to tackle laws that give these religious zealots a pass to discriminate. It is outrageous
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:37 PM
Feb 2020

that others have to adhere to laws of the land while they can hide behind a religious shield. If a non religious organization said they were not hiring christians, there would be hell to pay. They have to abide by equal opportunity laws. Religious institutions should be held to the same standards.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
43. Someone would have to sue to get in
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 11:39 AM
Feb 2020

and it go to the court, so is there affect on Interstate Commerce, and is religious a suspect class, would be the issues. One wonders with the current court if they would see that.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
22. It's also the antithesis of Christianity
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:02 PM
Feb 2020

Yeah, I'm godless but I've read the books.

If anything, men like these are the earthly representation of the Antichrist.

safeinOhio

(32,687 posts)
6. Don't call yourself Christian and ignore the
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 01:48 PM
Feb 2020

words of Christ(those words in red) in the gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

keithbvadu2

(36,817 posts)
11. Who are 'Christians'?
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:05 PM
Feb 2020

Who are 'Christians'?

Protestants? Catholics? Mormons? JWs? Seventh Day Adventists?

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
26. Christians of all flavors spend time
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:25 PM
Feb 2020

telling others how they are not real christians.........what if they are all right?

keithbvadu2

(36,817 posts)
32. "They all think that they're the only ones up here."
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 05:31 PM
Feb 2020

A man goes to heaven, and St Peter shows him around. They go past one room, and the man asks: "Who are all those people in there?" "They are the Methodists," says St Peter. They pass another room, and the man asks the same question. "They are the Anglicans," says St Peter. As they're approaching the next room, St Peter says: "Those are the Catholics."

They pass by many more rooms and the man asks "why so many rooms"?

"They all think that they're the only ones up here."

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
13. Why is it tight sphinctered sorts are the ones most likely to interfere with other people's G*d ...
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:14 PM
Feb 2020

given right to even be here?

The Provost sure speaks plainly. If you all don't look like me, you aren't gettin' in. Course, I'm a Lutheran and I wouldn't get in, neither.

tanyev

(42,560 posts)
16. Aha! So there's a reason the annual PBS Christmas at Belmont special sucks.
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:33 PM
Feb 2020

I record it every year, along with other PBS Christmas fare, but I always end up fast forwarding through most of it. Bring back Christmas at St. Olaf’s!

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
17. This is a new form of venture capitalism
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020

Wealthy right wing entities buying up non Christian entities and cleaning house to remake them into their own self-righteous images

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
50. Catholics are taking over all the hospitals and billing systems. Can't BAN abortion, but they've
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:20 AM
Feb 2020

figured out that if they own every medical/billing facility, they can just refuse to offer it.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
52. Men's health as well
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 12:14 PM
Feb 2020

The doctor that did my vasectomy just retired (I hope it was on his timing). His practice (which is part of a larger hospital organization) was just absorbed by a different Catholic "not for profit" (the first one had no problem with him for 20 years but the second one did).

I keep wondering when they will stop writing scripts for my daughters' birth control pills. I have been with this practice for over 25 years.

Karadeniz

(22,528 posts)
21. We need a new word for this type of "Christian." Taliban has already been taken. Jesus said that one
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 03:58 PM
Feb 2020

Had to demonstrate one's faith by following his teachings. This behavior violates loving one's neighbor, the golden rule, much less loving one's enemy. Therefore, these people are not Christian. So what can we call them?

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
24. Transfer Now!
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:16 PM
Feb 2020

A degree from an extremist christian school is worthless.

There is a big difference between the best professors and the best christian professors...

olddad65

(599 posts)
27. Oh, I had forgotten that the most bogus religion on the planet
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:29 PM
Feb 2020

Had a monopoly on creativity as well as spirituality.
Well, there goes all of the school’s talent out the door.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
31. So that means anyone who is Muslim or Jewish is out?
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:53 PM
Feb 2020

We need to challenge these Christo Fascist every step of the way. What they want is Dominionism for the country. It's so messed up.

Ingersollman

(204 posts)
48. Not
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 10:55 AM
Feb 2020

just Muslims and Jews. Hindus, Buddhists, Scientologists(?), Atheists, Wiccans, etc., etc.,etc.

Christian dominionism is what it is.

Theocracy is what they want.

Woe be to the world if they get it.

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
34. Yep, Watkins has been in Nashville for...well...forever it seems...
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:02 PM
Feb 2020

Surprised at Belmont. They cut ties with the SBC some time ago, so I figured they were moving towards the 20th century in higher education. Two steps forward, one step back it seems. Damn sad. Scary thing is, there are "Christian" institutions of higher ed in Nashville that are vastly more oppressive than Belmont. They know who they are. Good Nashville Scene article on the subject...

https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/pith-in-the-wind/article/21113244/watkins-students-question-belmont-provost-about-religious-freedom-discrimination

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
36. to be precise
Sat Feb 1, 2020, 06:24 PM
Feb 2020

they mean only baptists and fundies. They will not accept Catholics, Orthodox, or "progressive" churches. or Jews. Especially Jews.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
39. "absorbed by Belmont University" The pos Belmont U. took over another school to censor it
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 04:50 AM
Feb 2020

Belmont U. Is a un-American school. This should be all over the News. Folks like for example Taylor Swift should start a school there and bring over the patriots from Watkins Coll.

maxrandb

(15,331 posts)
40. Your post just made it clear how fucked America is
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 08:20 AM
Feb 2020

and this is in no way negative to you

We are so fucked that we hope Taylor Swift can rescue us.!?

I'm not saying that you're mistaken, but holy crap! You're pretty much spot-on as to where America is now...

"Taylor Swift please save us"

God help us all.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
51. What? I think she lives in that state.
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 11:55 AM
Feb 2020

I noticed in 2018 election people in that state reacted to her a lot.

The reality is people like her or others are going to have to step up.

littlemissmartypants

(22,691 posts)
46. I wonder how many students will suddenly see the light in the mist and miraculously
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 01:44 PM
Feb 2020

Experience a conversion? How hard can that be especially for someone who already has a penchant for creative imaginative expression? Piece of cake.

Are they going to force a purity test, like one must walk on water, to prove allegiance? That could be hard but many are able to put a right hand on a holy book while holding fingers crossed behind the back.

Lies are not mutually exclusive to the nonreligious and truth is an absolute indicator of art. But why would anyone so dedicated to art and therefore to truth, even want to associate with an institution so devoted to deceit?

Art does not usually fall out of favor. Religion, on the other hand is known for its diminishing returns.

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
47. Seriously doubt any of the current students signed up to get a BFA in fig leafing.
Sun Feb 2, 2020, 11:15 PM
Feb 2020

I’d say any student that wants a refund should get one - no questions asked. Is staggering religious discrimination, and are out to takedown a school that’s been around since 1885.

Apparently, this isn’t the only art school belmont has ‘absorbed’ in recent years. If O’More (taken in 2018) and Watkins were struggling so, why wouldn’t they have merged instead?

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/01/29/another-art-school-absorbed-belmont-university

matt819

(10,749 posts)
53. Will students leave?
Mon Feb 3, 2020, 12:40 PM
Feb 2020

To the extent possible, these kinds of organizations should be shunned. It may not make a difference to them, but it might, and it will certainly make a difference to us. Just don't attend. Just don't shop. Just don't do business with these kinds of bigots.

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