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brooklynite

(94,757 posts)
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:44 PM Jan 2020

Brexit is finally happening. On January 31. For real this time.

Source: Vox

Brexit is finally, officially happening — for real this time.

The United Kingdom has passed the legislation to make the current Brexit deal with the European Union official UK law, paving the way for the country’s exit from the EU on January 31.

The House of Commons — the lower, elected chamber once the source of endless Brexit drama — quietly and quickly approved the bill on January 9. The House of Lords, the unelected upper chamber, approved the legislation this week with amendments. But the House of Commons overturned the changes on Wednesday, and the House of Lords relented and agreed to accept the legislation without tweaks.

With Parliament agreed, the legislation received royal assent on Thursday, allowing the Queen to give formal approval to a British exit (after approving one of a different sort this month).

Read more: https://www.vox.com/world/2020/1/23/21070594/brexit-royal-assent-january-31-uk-eu-trade

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Brexit is finally happening. On January 31. For real this time. (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2020 OP
my understanding is that it will be a gradual process, unblock Jan 2020 #1
And with that Britain moves right Buzz cook Jan 2020 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Jan 2020 #3
Agreed. Delphinus Jan 2020 #5
But that's exactly what the capitalist vulture class wants. Yavin4 Jan 2020 #23
Putin smiles sakabatou Jan 2020 #4
The people voted for it. Move on & get it over with. oldsoftie Jan 2020 #6
No. The BrExit referendum was every bit stolen as much as 2016 was stolen from Hillary Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #17
Hell, I'm not over 2000! KPN Jan 2020 #18
Well, we HAVE because we're here talking about winning in '20. oldsoftie Jan 2020 #26
Now they have their chance to turn Britain into a right wing paradise. Mickju Jan 2020 #7
The entire planet is turning into a far right shithole. Initech Jan 2020 #9
True Mickju Jan 2020 #11
You could also add Rupert Murdoch. Mickju Jan 2020 #12
True! Initech Jan 2020 #13
No. How easy it is for Americans to forget their biggest trading partner & biggest neighbor Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #20
What? No country is immune from this right now. Initech Jan 2020 #22
Canada, of course. It is as I described. Netherlands & Sweden do not border USA. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #25
Canada has a growing RW faction as well. It must heed the signs and be careful as well. onetexan Jan 2020 #27
Sure. But "a growing faction" does not equal "the entire planet is turning", as the member I replied Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #28
Don't whitewash Republicons & tRump. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #21
Let this be a lesson. When you don't vote, conservatives win. Initech Jan 2020 #8
I'm beginning to think the non-voters dont care KPN Jan 2020 #19
The coming depression for their economy will still be blamed on liberals somehow Takket Jan 2020 #10
A bit hard to do. mwooldri Jan 2020 #14
Labour handed Brexit to the Tories on a silver platter DFW Jan 2020 #15
Sounds like it's oven ready IronLionZion Jan 2020 #16
There's going to be a lot of resentment Blue_Tires Jan 2020 #24

unblock

(52,352 posts)
1. my understanding is that it will be a gradual process,
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 08:51 PM
Jan 2020

with the existing arrangement remaining in place for the balance of the year while new trade agreements are negotiated.

so for more practical purposes, brexit will really take place on january 1, 2021.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
23. But that's exactly what the capitalist vulture class wants.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:03 PM
Jan 2020

Throw the British economy into chaos, and the only path out will be privatization. No more national healthcare. No more public services. What's left of the UK will be more and more like the US.

Congrats UK! You've just voted for more extreme income inequality.

oldsoftie

(12,622 posts)
6. The people voted for it. Move on & get it over with.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:26 PM
Jan 2020

Deal with the consequences & problems as they come.
Good luck England!!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
17. No. The BrExit referendum was every bit stolen as much as 2016 was stolen from Hillary
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 09:05 AM
Jan 2020

Nigel Farage, who led it, admitted on TV later to lying. Others lied and repeated lies.

Cambridge Analytica and their ilk were busy.

Russian web brigades were involved.

You think Democrats should "get over" 2016 and "move on"?

oldsoftie

(12,622 posts)
26. Well, we HAVE because we're here talking about winning in '20.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 05:11 PM
Jan 2020

Not rehashing whats not going away.
And I wouldnt compare our fiasco to theirs. There has been a push in England to leave the EU for some time. And it wasnt just the fringes. They never even really went to the Euro

Mickju

(1,805 posts)
7. Now they have their chance to turn Britain into a right wing paradise.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jan 2020

I don't think they are going to much like what they have wrought.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
9. The entire planet is turning into a far right shithole.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:15 PM
Jan 2020

All thanks to two men: Mark Zuckerberg and Vladimir Putin. Well maybe throw in the Saudis for good measure. Putin + Zuckerberg = Make Nazism Great Again!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
20. No. How easy it is for Americans to forget their biggest trading partner & biggest neighbor
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:46 AM
Jan 2020

You know, the one that has a LIBERAL government.

The one with the 50-50 gender balance in cabinet.

The one that legalized cannabis and sells it from government stores like liquor.

The one with universal health care and debating universal pharmacare.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
22. What? No country is immune from this right now.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 11:54 AM
Jan 2020

Look at France and the Yellow Jackets. Or Spain and the Catalan separatists. Or England with Brexit. Us and Trump. Brazil and Bolsonaro, Turkey and Erdogan, The Philippines and Duterte, I could go on and on. Hell there was even a plot to get California to separate from the US, and it was found out that the guy who started it was a Russian stooge. Then there's our former allies like Poland and Hungary who have already flipped to the dark side.

My point is that the far right authoritarians like we're seeing here are the same no matter where you go, and it's getting uglier and uglier out there. With people being brainwashed by a steady diet of fear and misinformation out there, brought on by social media propaganda, and a Murdoch owned channel.

I don't see any country like you're describing. Who? Canada? The Netherlands? Sweden?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
28. Sure. But "a growing faction" does not equal "the entire planet is turning", as the member I replied
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 06:37 PM
Jan 2020

... to said.

"growing" is far from "turning".

It is NOT the entire planet. The poster seems to have been in the dark about Canada twice (which proves my point) and confused about the limits / usefulness of hyperbole.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
8. Let this be a lesson. When you don't vote, conservatives win.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jan 2020

Too many precincts in Britain were able to be flipped because people just didn't care enough to vote. Elections have consequences.

KPN

(15,662 posts)
19. I'm beginning to think the non-voters dont care
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 10:24 AM
Jan 2020

about consequences. That they don’t see consequences as being significantly different in their personal lives based on who they choose to vote for. So they don’t vote. In their minds, and perhaps truly in their lives, it doesn’t matter.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
14. A bit hard to do.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:49 AM
Jan 2020

The last centre left government was voted out in 2010 with a Tory led coalition government, and Tory control since 2015. Another decade of Tory madness. I'm hoping a figure like John Smith, maybe Tony Blair (no, not actual Tony Blair, a more centre left person rather than hard left Jeremy Corbyn) will take Labour forward and in 2024 get the Tories out. Besides the Tories have four years to make this Brexit thing work.

DFW

(54,447 posts)
15. Labour handed Brexit to the Tories on a silver platter
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 04:52 AM
Jan 2020

If they had chosen a pro-EU pragmatist like Blair to lead them instead of the rigid ideologue Corbyn, they might have been the ones salvaging a near-Brexit calamity right now with a new referendum that kept the UK in.

As it, is, the economic downside will now be felt as a slow slide downwards, rather than a sudden upheaval. Most of the major consequences, such as the loss of financial centers and their huge numbers of well-paid workers, are already gone from London. Dublin, Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam and Frankfurt were already starting to profit from this over a year ago.

If the Tories are smart, they will declare Northern Ireland a special customs zone to keep the border with the Irish Republic a free and open one. No one wants a return to 1972, and there can't be much doubt that Putin would arrange to supply the IRA with as much weaponry as they could possibly desire. The trick is to keep them from desiring it. Once they do, it will already be too late to prevent a return to "the troubles."

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
24. There's going to be a lot of resentment
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jan 2020

when folks find out that Brexit didn't make all the nonwhite immigrants instantly vanish...

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