Sex is for married heterosexual couples only, says Church of England
Source: The Guardian
The Church of England has stated that sex belongs only within heterosexual marriage, and that Christians in gay or straight civil partnerships should be sexually abstinent.
Bishops have issued pastoral guidance in response to the recent introduction to mixed-sex civil partnerships, which says: For Christians, marriage that is, the lifelong union between a man and a woman, contracted with the making of vows remains the proper context for sexual activity.
The church seeks to uphold that standard in its approach to civil partnerships, and to affirm the value of committed, sexually abstinent friendships within such partnerships.
It adds: Sexual relationships outside heterosexual marriage are regarded as falling short of Gods purpose for human beings.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/23/sex-married-heterosexual-couples-church-of-england-christians
Would Prince Charles care to opine?
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)"The Church of England is dealing with more than 3,000 reports of sexual abuse within its parishes."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/church-of-england-dealing-with-thousands-of-sex-abuse-allegations-vx8xwk2l8
Aristus
(66,389 posts)Just not cricket at tall! I'm simply afraid we just cawn't have it, you see?"
brush
(53,792 posts)PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)LOL
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)...Good luck with that!
Cartoonist
(7,317 posts)We'll stay back here in the dark ages.
Why can't religion grow up?
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Because logic and critical thinking are SOOOOO over rated. As is science.
"Growing" up (which implies change and progression, dare I say evolution?, and would INCLUDE science) is the antithesis of religion. To "grow up" is the last thing religion will countenance.
THINKING people who question would delegate religion, all inclusive, to the dustbin of history.
Religion may have evolved as an effort to explain what SEEMED un-explainable, and to delegate females as subservient, nothing more than property (check it out, marrying for LOVE is a very recent construct). But it is now nothing more than a thought control mechanism, but strangely enough, still primarily for sex.
Which is odd, since sex has been going on since multiple celled organisms existed. On a historical scale, religion happened yesterday. And we are much the worse for it.
As I have stated in a older post, it takes no guidance what-so-ever to realize that you treat others the way you would like to be treated. So there is really NO justification for the god(s) myth(s).
Zoonart
(11,870 posts)0nirevets
(391 posts)Ztolkins
(429 posts)More like 1820, amirite??
(sorry)
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)But divorce is just peachy keen according to COE.
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)and think they know whats "best" for everyone, but when people want to know how a church operates.........................they fucking hide there own demons.........................
moreland01
(739 posts)I doubt "God" would say he/she created us for the purpose of having heterosexual sex inside of a marriage.
If I were to create an ant-farm that I could watch, judge and toy with from above, I'd want the most interesting ant-farm I could achieve and would welcome uniqueness, the unusual and, yes, the abominable. Way more fun to observe.
But I'm an atheist, so what do I know.
Crowman2009
(2,497 posts)I believe the show "Horrible Histories" had a song about that. If you know the words, then sing along:
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Who founded the church so he could annul his first marriage, then executed his second wife so he could marry his mistress - all this before three more marriages.
The church of England has sooo much moral authority on the topic of marriage.
malthaussen
(17,204 posts)Being a pack of nincompoops.
-- Mal
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Neither will the Canadian church. As I understand it, plenty of dioceses in England won't go for it, either.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)wryter2000
(46,051 posts)I have no idea why they do what they do.
I do know that the church's biggest growth now is in Africa, where views on sexuality are medieval.
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)You have some of the clergy who would happily officiate a same sex wedding, and some clergy who have huge issues with any teachings that differ from the Vicar of Rome (married clergy, female clergy, female bishops, etc). This seems to be the "middle line" that avoids a schism in the C of E (and the wider Anglican Communion as a whole).
Colour me unsurprised.
certainot
(9,090 posts)is what increases the irrational need for certainty, which increases the fear of natural uncertainty that increases the demand for their fantasy answers and their authoritarian sugar daddies.
maybe this new pope would expose the secret of authoritarian power by explaining how humans have been masturbating with the wrong hand
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)The Archbishop of Canterbury doesn't have the same authority as a pope.
certainot
(9,090 posts)and come clean and do the research to expose our major religions repress sex to encourage masturbation with the default hand, to increase the pool of young men available for war
Backseat Driver
(4,393 posts)Which is the "wrong" hand with which to masturbate????
Entymology and semiotics: "both sides" arguments - the liberal "left" ???? Hmmmmm...speaking of pagans and heresy; it's all quite laughable
https://www.etymonline.com/word/sinister
sinister (adj.)
early 15c., "prompted by malice or ill-will, intending to mislead," from Old French senestre, sinistre "contrary, false; unfavorable; to the left" (14c.), from Latin sinister "left, on the left side" (opposite of dexter), of uncertain origin. Perhaps meaning properly "the slower or weaker hand" [Tucker], but Klein and Buck suggest it's a euphemism (see left (adj.)) connected with the root of Sanskrit saniyan "more useful, more advantageous." With contrastive or comparative suffix -ter, as in dexter (see dexterity).
The Latin word was used in augury in the sense of "unlucky, unfavorable" (omens, especially bird flights, seen on the left hand were regarded as portending misfortune), and thus sinister acquired a sense of "harmful, unfavorable, adverse." This was from Greek influence, reflecting the early Greek practice of facing north when observing omens. In genuine Roman auspices, the augurs faced south and left was favorable. Thus sinister also retained a secondary sense in Latin of "favorable, auspicious, fortunate, lucky."
Meaning "evil" is from late 15c. Used in heraldry from 1560s to indicate "left, to the left." Bend (not "bar" sinister in heraldry indicates illegitimacy and preserves the literal sense of "on or from the left side" (though in heraldry this is from the view of the bearer of the shield, not the observer of it; see bend (n.2)).
Def of entymology: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology
Def of semiotics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotics
certainot
(9,090 posts)sex on the wrong brain is the missing link between wilhem reich's 1933 thesis on fascism, blaming masturbation associated with punishment, religious guilt, and violence etc, and modern psych, which blames authoritarianism on an irrational need for certainty. authoritarianism is sometimes measured withe the UAI, or uncertainty avoidance index.
it's not so funny! trump is a classic extreme case of SOWB - and very good at the denial of reality needed to accept the artificial certainty created by reducing the universe to right/wrong, good/bad, black/white etc
the book, sex on the wrong brain, explains how impatient satisfaction-demanding sexual urges create an irrational need for certainty, causing fear, when mixed with mental processes, emphasized in the left hemisphere, that are better with patience and objectivity.
it also increases greed when mixed with math, numbers etc - more bigger faster......
humans started like chimps (even birds have a similar divided brain) about 50-50 right and left handed and the greed and fear from sowb eventually advanced right handedness during periods of conflict. it got worse as our religions started delaying the age of reproduction.
the koran actually left it in their book as a guide/way out for poor young men/ fodder - "man can only have sex with his wife and that which the right hand possesses"
the book "the master and his emissary. the divided brain" by iain mcgilchrist explains the left brain wants certainty, and according to sowb, wrong handed masturbation is why.
while it may seem silly to suggest there is a wrong hand, it would be a lot sillier to imagine there is no difference using one hand or the other, right?
sdfernando
(4,935 posts)you know, just to make sure it is on the up an up.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)MosheFeingold
(3,051 posts)Don't be Anglican.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Shocked, I tell you!
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)water
food
fucking
But people FORNICATING? And having FUN while doing so?
UNACCEPTABLE!!!
CaptainTruth
(6,594 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)What's next, a pact with the RCC?
Feh!
weissmam
(905 posts)Who cares
another religion trying to make themselves obsolete
Backseat Driver
(4,393 posts)One of the last three remaining members of the dwindling Shaker sect died Monday.
[snip]
This is not a surprise. The Shakers practice celibacy, in addition to pacifism, equality of the sexes and communal ownership of property.
As its members didnt have children, the sect grew both by converting adults and by raising orphaned children and, when they reached age 18, giving them the option to remain a member of the sect or to leave the community.[snip]
This is not a surprise. The Shakers practice celibacy, in addition to pacifism, equality of the sexes and communal ownership of property.
As its members didnt have children, the sect grew both by converting adults and by raising orphaned children and, when they reached age 18, giving them the option to remain a member of the sect or to leave the community."
Thyla
(791 posts)getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)It sounds like fun. Especially if you are bi-sexual.
Where can I sign up?
Backseat Driver
(4,393 posts)Vive la difference - all adults, all consenting, or all agreeing among themselves perhaps even to be emotionally, situationally "involuntarily celibate" within a temporary cohabiting-the-room group, no matter! Whatever, sooner or later, there will be talk, guaranteed! Acknowledged publicly, all discretion and right to privacy is over! Behind those doors, free from public rules of law, not my or anyone else's business! Loose lips and all...Have fun! Be safe!
silverweb
(16,402 posts)And that pronouncement will certainly make everyone fall in line.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Because heterosexual marriage is not where all the sex is happening.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)I am so done with religion and its many examples of bullshit and idiots who go along with it.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)JudyM
(29,251 posts)Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... none of the churchs leaders are married.
obamanut2012
(26,081 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Are they going to put a ring door bell camera in your bedroom so they can make sure you're not fucking someone you shouldn't be?
ha ha ha ha
DenverJared
(457 posts)They are oblivious to the evolution of society. This is why religion will become irrelevant in a few decades.
Aussie105
(5,405 posts)Sex is only for mixed sex couples in a stable relationship?
Lot of sinners out there, in that case!
1. One night stands.
2. Girls who need a sperm donor, but nothing else.
3. People who get married and have sex before.
4. People who have sex but forget about the 'lifelong' requirement.
5. Men of the cloth who do naughty things with young boys.
Oh, the list is too long, I will stop there!
Either there are a lot of sinners out there, or the Church has no idea. Probably much of both, to be honest.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)tanyev
(42,572 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)a church founded by an English king who was pissed the Pope wouldn't grant him a divorce wants to lecture on the sanctity of marriage?
Fuck that.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)ain't that a hoot?
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