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BumRushDaShow

(129,090 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 09:48 AM Jan 2020

Ukraine opens probe into possible surveillance of former U.S. ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

Source: Washington Post



MOSCOW — Ukrainian authorities announced a probe Thursday into possible surveillance of U.S. ambassador Marie Yovanovitch before she was dismissed from her post by the Trump administration.

The statement by Ukraine’s Interior Ministry followed the disclosure of new documents in the impeachment proceedings into President Trump. The material included exchanges between Lev Parnas, an associate of Trump’s personal attorney Rudolph Giuliani, and others about the need to push Yovanovitch from her post.

The documents — provided to the House Intelligence Committee by Parnas — include messages with Robert Hyde, a Connecticut Republican who is running for Congress. In those exchanges, Parnas is informed about Yovanovitch’s physical location.In an interview with MSNBC aired Wednesday, Parnas said he did not take Hyde’s claims seriously.

The Interior Ministry statement said Ukrainian police “are not interfering in the internal political affairs of the United States.”“However, the published messages contain facts of possible violations of Ukrainian law and of the Vienna Convention on diplomatic relations, which protect the rights of diplomats on the territory of another state,” the statement continued.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-opens-probe-into-possible-surveillance-of-us-ambassador-yovanovitch/2020/01/16/a5ae3e82-3862-11ea-a1ff-c48c1d59a4a1_story.html



What a mess.

Original article -

By Washington Post Staff
Jan. 16, 2020 at 8:40 a.m. EST

The announcement follows the disclosure of new documents showing Lev Parnas, an associate of President Trump’s personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani, discussing possible efforts to monitor the movements of Yovanovitch before she was removed from her post by the Trump administration.

This is a developing story. It will be updated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2020/01/16/ukraine-opens-probe-into-possible-surveillance-of-former-u-s-ambassador-marie-yovanovitch/
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Ukraine opens probe into possible surveillance of former U.S. ambassador Marie Yovanovitch (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 OP
Gosh . . . Iliyah Jan 2020 #1
Hyde was texting specific Dates/times/locations and movements of the Ambassador: mackdaddy Jan 2020 #2
"if the Ambassador had a cell phone with her, then her location is probably recorded exactly" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #4
That is funny! Maeve Jan 2020 #3
He'll probably try to illegally order MORE $$$ withheld from Ukraine because of this BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #5
It's so reassuring to see the Ukrainian authorities are not under Trump's thumb. Mike 03 Jan 2020 #6
Trump's motives in Ukraine are now beyond question bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #7
"and possible natural gas deals" BumRushDaShow Jan 2020 #8
Then again, it could be just a smoke and mirrors investigation to put this to bed quickly. C Moon Jan 2020 #14
Kavanaugh Part Deux bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #15
Well he got his wish. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #9
There's more beautiful irony in this than an O'Henry story. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2020 #10
Expect the tweeting fool Bayard Jan 2020 #11
Exactly! duforsure Jan 2020 #12
Dear President Zelensky SCVDem Jan 2020 #13
K & R. Thanks, BumRushDaShow. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2020 #16

mackdaddy

(1,527 posts)
2. Hyde was texting specific Dates/times/locations and movements of the Ambassador:
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:20 AM
Jan 2020

First thing that they could check easily would be what the Ambassador's calendar shows and if they match what Hyde was reporting. If Hyde was reporting her position accurately, then yes he was more than a drunk buffoon.

Even a drunk buffoon can hire some thugs if he has money, which he seems to have had.

By the way if the Ambassador had a cell phone with her, then her location is probably recorded exactly. Google sure knows where I am at all times, and has a complete record anytime I have my gps turned on.

BumRushDaShow

(129,090 posts)
4. "if the Ambassador had a cell phone with her, then her location is probably recorded exactly"
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:25 AM
Jan 2020

First thing I thought about when I first started reading your post. The "Find My Phone" thing and with government-issued phones, which I expect were specially-configured security-wise (the ones we were issued before I retired from the feds were specially-configured), there may have been other features available given she was overseas.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
3. That is funny!
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jan 2020

Not the investigation tRump wanted (just what he deserved)

But then, their president is a comedian!

bucolic_frolic

(43,180 posts)
7. Trump's motives in Ukraine are now beyond question
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:40 AM
Jan 2020

Manufacturing dirt on Biden and possible natural gas deals

I doubt Democrats have much to fear even if Mitch calls both Biden's as witnesses because it would be pricking the bubble, which is to say it could not fester like Benghazi! or Emails! for months and months. It would be exoneration, but for Biden instead of Trump.

BumRushDaShow

(129,090 posts)
8. "and possible natural gas deals"
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 10:45 AM
Jan 2020

And that last part was also the reason for Perry being one of the "3 Amigos".


Ukrainian energy giant was a focus for Rick Perry and Giuliani associates
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By Michael Warren and Rene Marsh, CNN

Updated 4:09 PM ET, Thu October 17, 2019

Washington (CNN)In the months leading up to President Donald Trump's July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, multiple people associated with Trump, both inside and outside of his administration, were engaged in efforts to change leadership at Naftogaz, Ukraine's geopolitically important state-owned oil and gas company. One of those people, US Energy Secretary Rick Perry, faces a deadline Friday to comply with a congressional subpoena as part of the ongoing impeachment inquiry.

Questions about whether Trump offered to restore military aid in exchange for politically beneficial investigations in Ukraine have formed the basis of the impeachment inquiry. But the parallel attempts to influence Naftogaz further illustrate the nature of the Trump administration's interactions with Ukraine, in which statecraft and diplomacy appear to be mixed up with political and business interests and which are now the focus of a federal criminal investigation. The common thread in these attempted shakeups of Naftogaz is Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal attorney who has emerged as a central player in US-Ukraine relations.

Among those pushing for changes at Naftogaz was Perry. During his May trip to Kiev for Zelensky's inauguration, Perry delivered a list of four candidates to replace the existing American member of Naftogaz's international supervisory board, according to a source familiar with Perry's conversations. Two months earlier, Naftogaz was also in the crosshairs of two associates of Giuliani, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. Parnas and Fruman were pushing a scheme at a major energy conference in Houston to replace Naftogaz's chief executive officer with someone who would be more beneficial to their own business interests, according to one American businessman informed of their efforts.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/politics/parnas-fruman-perry-naftogaz/index.html

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
14. Then again, it could be just a smoke and mirrors investigation to put this to bed quickly.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 02:45 PM
Jan 2020

So the GOP has something to point to.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
10. There's more beautiful irony in this than an O'Henry story.
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:04 AM
Jan 2020

Clearly this was a subtle middle finger by the Ukrainian government to the Trump administration, telling them that they will be the ones who are in control of opening investigations, thank you very much.

Bayard

(22,099 posts)
11. Expect the tweeting fool
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 11:42 AM
Jan 2020

They've investigating this, and not the Bidens?! Its not fair! (stomp, stomp stomp)

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
12. Exactly!
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jan 2020

Then he'll have one of his goons threaten them in one way or another with suggestive actions they'll use against them if thy don't put out what trump wants them to put out for its findings. If Barr's involved he'll corrupt it for trump.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
13. Dear President Zelensky
Thu Jan 16, 2020, 12:48 PM
Jan 2020

You wanted a trip to the White House.

Would you settle for a trip to Congress?

Fact witnesses don't get much bigger.

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