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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:19 PM Jan 2020

Pentagon launched airstrike that killed Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani, Defense Secretary Mark Es

Source: WaPo

BAGHDAD — A U.S. airstrike killed Iranian Quds Force commander Qasem Soleimani in Baghdad late Thursday, the Pentagon said, a dramatic escalation of tensions between the two countries that could lead to widespread violence in the region and beyond.

Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said the Pentagon had taken “decisive defensive action” against Soleimani, the revered military figure who had close links to a network of armed groups backed by Iran across the Middle East and, according to the United States, bore responsibility for hundreds of American deaths.

“Gen. Soleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region,” Esper said in a statement. “This strike was aimed at deterring future Iranian attack plans.”

Earlier, Iraqi militia officials and the country’s state TV channel announced that Soleimani had been killed in an airstrike alongside a top Iraqi militia leader just outside the country’s main airport. The Iraqi, Jamal Jaafar Ibrahimi, who is better known by his nom de guerre, Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, is closely associated with attacks against the United States dating to 1982.

On Jan. 1, the siege on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad appeared to come to an end after supporters of the Iranian-backed Kataib Hezbollah militia retreated. (Liz Sly, Joyce Lee, Mustafa Salim/The Washington Post)
A video circulated by Shiite militia groups showed, accompanied by the sound of wailing, the crumpled wreckage of the vehicle in which Soleimani purportedly was traveling. A photograph claimed to show his bloodied, ash-covered hand wearing the same blood-red ring seen in earlier photos of him alive.

A U.S. official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment on the record, said the attack was conducted by a U.S. drone and struck a two-car convoy carrying Soleimani and others on an access road near Baghdad International Airport. At least half a dozen people were believed to have been killed.

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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/defense-secretary-says-iran-and-its-proxies-may-be-planning-fresh-attacks-on-us-personnel-in-iraq/2020/01/02/53b63f00-2d89-11ea-bcb3-ac6482c4a92f_story.html



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Pentagon launched airstrike that killed Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani, Defense Secretary Mark Es (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 OP
What have they done?😳 dewsgirl Jan 2020 #1
Opened up a can of worms - a big one... Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #2
I'm reading terrifying tweets. Looks like he is going to get dewsgirl Jan 2020 #7
Oh, Jesus... Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #9
Thank you. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #17
My heart goes out to you and your son. Been there, done that. Frustratedlady Jan 2020 #20
Thank you. I was worried before, my fear is reaching terrifying dewsgirl Jan 2020 #24
... mcar Jan 2020 #38
Thank you. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #40
No....my god, no!!! Moostache Jan 2020 #64
Thank you. I didn't want him to enlist for this very reason, dewsgirl Jan 2020 #72
I'm so sorry. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #68
Thank you. I know the feeling, the last thing I wanted was dewsgirl Jan 2020 #75
We feel the same way. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2020 #81
May I share a stress reliever? mahina Jan 2020 #94
Hasn't Iran threatened to strike Israel if they are harmed? Frustratedlady Jan 2020 #3
Helluva a campaign strategy you got going there....Vlad underpants Jan 2020 #4
At this point, to Putin, Trump Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #13
And dida notice it wasn't russia who got the credit dixiegrrrrl Jan 2020 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author teach1st Jan 2020 #5
and here I thought Iraq is our ally. hmmm nt msongs Jan 2020 #6
They were our ally, until GHWB in 1991. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2020 #103
This is how wars start -- by playing Chicken. no_hypocrisy Jan 2020 #8
Trump administration must've up the Stupid Pill dosage. djacq Jan 2020 #10
BREAKING: US Military acknowledges air strikes brooklynite Jan 2020 #11
Damn it. Glimmer of Hope Jan 2020 #14
My question is, did the US know Soleimani was also going to be in the car? Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #18
Fill you gas tanks in the morning, Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #21
So now we openly assassinate people. mahina Jan 2020 #83
Fck mcar Jan 2020 #39
The shit is going to hit the fan CanonRay Jan 2020 #12
Better hope and pray there's a patriot who will disobey a trump launch order nt maryellen99 Jan 2020 #27
The mother fucker is trying to start a war Botany Jan 2020 #15
+10000 Pachamama Jan 2020 #29
You "can't" impeach a president on time of war... CanonRay Jan 2020 #31
That is exactly where we are headed. Jamastiene Jan 2020 #97
It's hard to maintain BTW#1 FBaggins Jan 2020 #35
Yes, what was top Irani general doing in Iraq? at140 Jan 2020 #42
Meeting with Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis it appears FBaggins Jan 2020 #61
If you ask me, it was foolhardy risk by the top general at140 Jan 2020 #65
Regardless of the reason he was there, he should not be dead via american airstrikes. Volaris Jan 2020 #89
We as a country are more resilient than any individual president at140 Jan 2020 #99
Iran is, however, an ally of Iraq muriel_volestrangler Jan 2020 #95
Very informative post, Thank you. nt at140 Jan 2020 #98
Well, I was thrilled to make it through January 1 with nothing terrible happening CanonRay Jan 2020 #19
Oh just damn. Period. Not much else to say but f it. 7wo7rees Jan 2020 #22
Ned Price: "This is a network that has the region wired and cells in the West." Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #23
He says Rebl2 Jan 2020 #25
Trump must have figured Only a war will save his ass at140 Jan 2020 #44
Ben Rhodes: "this is a really frightening moment. Iran will respond and likely in various places." Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #26
Is a question that stands out. Mersky Jan 2020 #43
why is Iran evertonfc Jan 2020 #28
Seriously? Pachamama Jan 2020 #30
At a big risk evertonfc Jan 2020 #34
Because that's what they've been doing for 40 yrs (and we've done it back) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #32
Why would Iran risk sending their "MacArthur" to Iraq? at140 Jan 2020 #47
Why do we have 4,000 troops still in Iraq? NickB79 Jan 2020 #54
Why did we invade Iraq in the first place? at140 Jan 2020 #63
somebody has to defend W's Folly, I guess. Albatross of an embassy. nt Grasswire2 Jan 2020 #67
Because Iraq invited the US troops back in to help fight ISIS? nt EX500rider Jan 2020 #69
You do realize that we actually started it by first unilaterally exiting the nuclear agreement with still_one Jan 2020 #71
Iran is an amorphus hydra Cosmocat Jan 2020 #80
Crap. B Stieg Jan 2020 #33
"did America just assassinate, without any congressional authorization,the second most powerful" .99center Jan 2020 #36
"According to Sean Hannity's sources, President Trump ordered the strike on General Soleimani" Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #37
Who cares about Hannity's sources? FBaggins Jan 2020 #51
That's murder. Assassination. C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #57
Did you feel the same way about Osama bin Laden? killaphill Jan 2020 #84
No. C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #87
Malcolm Nance: expect the US Embassy under full scale siege by the end of tomorrow's end of prayers Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #41
It's likely that suicide bombers will strike other American targets in other places. LudwigPastorius Jan 2020 #74
We knew he'd screw up again. babylonsister Jan 2020 #45
"Yeah, but ooooh those tax cuts and Supreme Court picks!" they're thinking. LudwigPastorius Jan 2020 #76
Nance: militia rockets expected to hit Green Zone "any time now. Any. Time." Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #46
I'll be surprised if some of Iran's wrath BlueIdaho Jan 2020 #48
Oh man Ahpook Jan 2020 #49
Let's not lose sight of a fact: SCantiGOP Jan 2020 #50
Time to Hit the Streets! McKim Jan 2020 #52
An odd thought - payment to Bolton for his silence? mchill Jan 2020 #53
Rachel reporting that this could be Duppers Jan 2020 #55
Trump trusts the Deep State? brooklynite Jan 2020 #56
This could escalate to nuclear bombs in twelve days. NBachers Jan 2020 #58
Iranian sources tell the New York Times that Qasem Soleimani's killing could lead to war .99center Jan 2020 #59
I would cancel SCVDem Jan 2020 #60
Pan Am 103 X 100... Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #66
'Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani was killed in an American strike in Baghdad, American officials said.' elleng Jan 2020 #62
Pentagon confirms it was a U.S. strike per CNBC LiberalArkie Jan 2020 #70
Of course, Trump started everything by pulling out of the TexasBushwhacker Jan 2020 #73
+1000 bronxiteforever Jan 2020 #82
It appears to me that this is a deliberate provocation done to create a war with Iran. patphil Jan 2020 #77
OTOH, if the US is at war, DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #85
The definition of treason requires that one give aid and comfort to the enemy. Jedi Guy Jan 2020 #93
Was wondering if this strike was DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #101
Was this done to please John Bolton? bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #78
Well... shit.. hope those in country Americans stay safe Baked Potato Jan 2020 #79
Me too. An immediate evacuation has been ordered for US citizens. True_Blue Jan 2020 #96
Time for his 'loyal' base to sign up and go fight overseas. Talitha Jan 2020 #86
I would be thrilled to see Eric & Ivanka in uniform at140 Jan 2020 #88
Great idea, although they wouldn't be worth a poop. Talitha Jan 2020 #90
I'm even worried about my niece and her husband in Germany Bayard Jan 2020 #91
Various Actors in the U.S. and Elsewhere want chaos and confusion MarcA Jan 2020 #92
Gosh...another Republican ginning up a WAR to get re-elected. I'm SHOCKED beyond belief!! Bengus81 Jan 2020 #100
Quick question: Polybius Jan 2020 #102

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
7. I'm reading terrifying tweets. Looks like he is going to get
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:33 PM
Jan 2020

his war. My son is being deployed to Qatar in two weeks, I think I'm going to puke.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
64. No....my god, no!!!
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:01 PM
Jan 2020

Thoughts, vibes, prayers for your son...and the region. This is going to be very bad.

I can't imagine your stress levels now, my boys are 16 and 14 and approaching military age at the exact moment in history where a madman is in charge and desperate to cover up his domestic misdeeds with ill-thought out foreign misdeeds and worse.

May cooler heads be found in time to prevent this from becoming a full blown shooting war in short order.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
72. Thank you. I didn't want him to enlist for this very reason,
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jan 2020

Trump is to unpredictable. I was finally somewhat reassured, he would be ok in Qatar. Now, I don't think he will be safe anywhere.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,735 posts)
68. I'm so sorry.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:18 PM
Jan 2020

My great nephew starts basic training next week at Fort Benning. He walked away from a scholarship to Columbia University just weeks into his sophomore year.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
75. Thank you. I know the feeling, the last thing I wanted was
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:27 PM
Jan 2020

for him to enlist. I was terrified with Trump in control.😳 I am actually living with him right now, I'm going to help my pregnant DIL, and granddaughter while he is gone.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,735 posts)
81. We feel the same way.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:47 PM
Jan 2020

My nephew (his stepfather) has told him that he can change his mind and not get on the plane. That was surprising because my nephew spent four years in the Army about 20 years ago. Fortunately, he spent his time after Benning in Hawaii. It was a very cushy posting and we all thanked his lucky stars.

Best of luck with your DIL and the coming baby. I'm sure that they're happy that you're there.

mahina

(17,659 posts)
94. May I share a stress reliever?
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:18 AM
Jan 2020

Right hand on your heart, skin to skin. Deep breaths.

I can not imagine how difficult this must be for you. And I hugged my Dad goodbye before he went to serve in Vietnam.
He came home and your son will too ❤️🙏

May we have wiser leaders really really soon!

The republicans must see how crazy and selfish he is now.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
3. Hasn't Iran threatened to strike Israel if they are harmed?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:25 PM
Jan 2020

Trump could have a real war going on before long.

That's one hell of a big dog to be wagging.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. And dida notice it wasn't russia who got the credit
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:43 PM
Jan 2020

Putin had trump do it. Just hours after they had that phone call.

USA being fingered all over the news everywhere right now.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

no_hypocrisy

(46,110 posts)
8. This is how wars start -- by playing Chicken.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:36 PM
Jan 2020

Speaking of chicken, Trump will have to go on television and explain this. (You'll find him under his desk in the Oval Office.)

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
18. My question is, did the US know Soleimani was also going to be in the car?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jan 2020

Either way, this is a massive blunder, IMO.

On edit, yeah they knew


mahina

(17,659 posts)
83. So now we openly assassinate people.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:54 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Fri Jan 3, 2020, 03:32 AM - Edit history (1)

I was worried when I heard that he had not tweeted for 24 hours. I wondered what the hell is he cooking up now.

He doesn’t care about us even a little bit

Botany

(70,504 posts)
15. The mother fucker is trying to start a war
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jan 2020

BTW I don't buy the Iranian backed forces attacked the US embassy story.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212832284

BTW part 2 ... Jared, Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka can be on the front lines.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
97. That is exactly where we are headed.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:07 AM
Jan 2020

Get ready to hear that for months, possibly years from now on, until people wake up and in the post-mortem of Trump's presidency, see he was wagging the dog.

People fall for it so easily. No wonder he is kicking a hornet's nest. It is just enough to get everyone to panic and forget all about all of the horrid stuff Trump is doing to people inside of America. Nope, can't criticize a president at war.

at140

(6,110 posts)
42. Yes, what was top Irani general doing in Iraq?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:22 PM
Jan 2020

My understanding is Iraq is currently our ally, Iran is not.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
61. Meeting with Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis it appears
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:59 PM
Jan 2020

That’s the reportedly pro-Iran Iraqi militia leader seen at the embassy attack a couple days ago.

at140

(6,110 posts)
65. If you ask me, it was foolhardy risk by the top general
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:03 PM
Jan 2020

Iran should have asked Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis to come to Iran to meet general Suleimani..
I know Trump is a dumbass, but even he would not send American generals surreptitiously to Iran.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
89. Regardless of the reason he was there, he should not be dead via american airstrikes.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:14 AM
Jan 2020

Hopefully, iran can maintain its composure until trump is removed from office.

If he violated the 'standard' regarding assassination, that's enough for even McConnell to remove him from office, and claim 'patriotism' as a saving grace.

And if not, were in for ANOTHER Land War in Asia...

This time with iran and iran IS NOT IRAQ.

Trump will be removed from office, or this will define the next fifty years of american military and state dept policy..

And given climate change, homosapiens will not survive the latter.

at140

(6,110 posts)
99. We as a country are more resilient than any individual president
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:26 AM
Jan 2020

So I am optimistic things will look up for the better in 2020.
Hope you enjoyed the holidays. We did, with a week long visit by daughter & SIL from west coast to here in Florida.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
95. Iran is, however, an ally of Iraq
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:41 AM
Jan 2020

They are on good terms - better, I suspect, even before this, than Iraq and the USA. Much better than the USA now, of course.

Many members of the Iraqi governments since the overthrow of Saddam were in exile in Iran during Saddam's time. The Shia majority in Iraq wants close ties with Shia Iran. Iran helped drive ISIS out of Iraqi cities like Mosul.

This week, Hassan Rouhani made his first trip to Iraq in his capacity as Iran’s president. During the three-day visit, Iran and Iraq signed several preliminary trade deals, including those on energy, railway projects, health, and investor visas intended to boost their trade from $12bn to $20bn. The two nations, which share a porous 1,500km border, have come a long way since their eight-year war in the 1980s. In the past decade, Iran and Iraq have developed their political, economic, social, and security ties. Rouhani’s visit to Iraq aims to further strengthen these relations.

Since the Islamic State group (ISIS) took over large swathes of Iraq in 2014, Tehran and Baghdad have been locked in a necessary fight against this common enemy. Now, following the military phase of the campaign against ISIS in Iraq, and the recent Iraqi election, the sides are opening the next chapter in their relationship. However, this will not be an easy task, given that Iraq is caught in rising tension between Tehran and Washington.
...
Through this visit, Tehran has sent a clear political message to the US that, while American forces have the upper hand in Iraq’s airspace, Iran is the major external player on the ground. The trip follows US President Donald Trump’s unannounced visit to an airbase in Iraq last December, which raised many eyebrows for breaking protocol (as did Trump’s subsequent remark that US troops ought to remain in Iraq to “watch Iran”). Unlike Trump, Rouhani was openly and formally hosted by the Iraqi government, meeting with an array of Iraqi factions and competing political leaders.

One of Rouhani’s most significant meetings was with Iraq’s highest religious authority, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani (who once rejected a meeting with former Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad), in Najaf. This meeting sent an important signal to Rouhani’s domestic opponents, who have often been at odds with his government over its relatively moderate foreign policy proposals. Iranian conservative media outlets were quick to point out that Rouhani’s trip to Iraq was possible due to the sacrifices of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). This meeting also sent a message to the US, whose presidents have never been received by Sistani, that Iraq cannot be coerced to turn against Iran.

https://www.ecfr.eu/article/commentary_when_iran_goes_to_iraq_the_significance_of_rouhanis_trip

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
19. Well, I was thrilled to make it through January 1 with nothing terrible happening
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:45 PM
Jan 2020

but I guess two days was too much to hope for.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
22. Oh just damn. Period. Not much else to say but f it.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:48 PM
Jan 2020

The heartache is real. How do we stop these forever wars driven by the MIC?

Massive protests, world wide.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
23. Ned Price: "This is a network that has the region wired and cells in the West."
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:51 PM
Jan 2020


Ned Price ✔ @nedprice

Reasonable people can disagree on the wisdom, in principle, of targeting Soleimani. But no one should be under any illusion that the Trump admin is prepared to handle the backlash that will follow if this is true. This is a network that has the region wired and cells in the
West.


Liz Sly ✔ @LizSly

Iraqi state TV is reporting the "martyrdom" of Qassem Soleimani and Abu Mahdi Mohandis on the Baghdad airport road.


8:22 PM - Jan 2, 2020

Rebl2

(13,507 posts)
25. He says
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:52 PM
Jan 2020

he doesn’t want war but I think he does and has wanted it all along. This way he can be known as a war president.

at140

(6,110 posts)
44. Trump must have figured Only a war will save his ass
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:31 PM
Jan 2020

and he is probably happy Iran gave him an excuse to start a war by attacking our embassy in Iraq.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
26. Ben Rhodes: "this is a really frightening moment. Iran will respond and likely in various places."
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:58 PM
Jan 2020


Ben Rhodes ✔ @brhodes

Agree - no question that Soleimani has a lot of blood on his hands. But this is a really frightening moment. Iran will respond and likely in various places. Thinking of all US personnel in the region right now.

Chris Murphy ✔ @ChrisMurphyCT

Soleimani was an enemy of the United States. That’s not a question.

The question is this - as reports suggest, did America just assassinate, without any congressional authorization, the second most powerful person in Iran, knowingly setting off a potential massive regional war?


8:53 PM - Jan 2, 2020
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
28. why is Iran
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 09:59 PM
Jan 2020

even pushing out buttons? I mean, I'm as against military action as anyone but Iran is really pushing thier luck. Our Air Force would absolutely lay waste to Iran.

 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
34. At a big risk
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:06 PM
Jan 2020

but we would inflict catastrophic damage on them. Both leaders are crazier than shit house rat but both pushing buttons. Unfortunately, for Iran it would end much worse

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
32. Because that's what they've been doing for 40 yrs (and we've done it back)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jan 2020

Bumping off their "MacArthur" is a lot more than a button push back.

at140

(6,110 posts)
47. Why would Iran risk sending their "MacArthur" to Iraq?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jan 2020

Iraq still has lot of American military presence (which I am against by the way),
so I don't understand why Iran would take such a risk.

at140

(6,110 posts)
63. Why did we invade Iraq in the first place?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM
Jan 2020

Biggest foreign policy blunder since Vietnam, by the doofus president Bush-43.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
71. You do realize that we actually started it by first unilaterally exiting the nuclear agreement with
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:23 PM
Jan 2020

them, and then imposing economic sanctions against them


Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
80. Iran is an amorphus hydra
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:43 PM
Jan 2020

Its miltary is no joke, would require a full on war level action to neutralize. But they have layers upon layers of terrorist networks, great influence outside of uts borders and would be 100 times harder to control than Iraq.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
36. "did America just assassinate, without any congressional authorization,the second most powerful"
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:10 PM
Jan 2020
Chris Murphy
@ChrisMurphyCT
U.S. Senator from Connecticut.

Soleimani was an enemy of the United States. That’s not a question.

The question is this - as reports suggest, did America just assassinate, without any congressional authorization, the second most powerful person in Iran, knowingly setting off a potential massive regional war?



FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
51. Who cares about Hannity's sources?
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jan 2020

Of course the president ordered it. So they think the Pentagon might go rogue and just decide to take out an Iranian general? It might not have been his idea... but someone had to get approval for the attack.

C_U_L8R

(45,002 posts)
57. That's murder. Assassination.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM
Jan 2020

No President should have that power over life and death. Dethrone this criminal clown now.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
41. Malcolm Nance: expect the US Embassy under full scale siege by the end of tomorrow's end of prayers
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:18 PM
Jan 2020


Malcolm Nance ✔ @MalcolmNance

WARNING WARNING: If the US killed Solimani & Mohandes in an air strike then expect the US Embassy under full scale siege by the end of tomorrow’s end of prayers. Convoy was struck by precision missiles and multiple Iraqis and 2 Iranian “guests” killed.

Ali H. Soufan ✔ @Ali_H_Soufan

Major escalation! If true, this will signal the beginning of a bloody unconstrained conflict between the U.S. and Iran.


8:41 PM - Jan 2, 2020

LudwigPastorius

(9,145 posts)
74. It's likely that suicide bombers will strike other American targets in other places.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:27 PM
Jan 2020

Iran may even send some of their subs on a suicide mission to attempt a strike on the USS Abraham Lincoln.

They have supercavitation torpedoes that travel at 220mph, but they would have to get in pretty close to use them.

If the Iranians start shooting, they are going to want to cause enough damage to roil US public opinion against a bloody extended war.

This is an absolutely fucked situation.

LudwigPastorius

(9,145 posts)
76. "Yeah, but ooooh those tax cuts and Supreme Court picks!" they're thinking.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:29 PM
Jan 2020

Meanwhile, the mad fucker in the White House they're propping up is about to get a whole lot of people killed for no good reason.

In Trump's rotten brain, it's all wins. He looks for better public support, a huge distraction from an impeachment trial, and he gets to look like he's making a tough statement against Kim Jong Un's latest threats.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
46. Nance: militia rockets expected to hit Green Zone "any time now. Any. Time."
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:32 PM
Jan 2020


Malcolm Nance ✔ @MalcolmNance

URGENT: Iraqi army & CT forces are defensive surrounding the Green Zone. All bridges closed. This won’t stop the militias GRAD & IRAM rockets that are certain to come any time now. Any. Time.

9:28 PM - Jan 2, 2020

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
48. I'll be surprised if some of Iran's wrath
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:39 PM
Jan 2020

Isn’t pointed at a Israel. Trump kicked the bees nest, now he’s gonna see who gets stung.

Ahpook

(2,750 posts)
49. Oh man
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:42 PM
Jan 2020

I've seen this shit talked about.

Here we go!

That fucking sloth will do anything to retain power!

SCantiGOP

(13,870 posts)
50. Let's not lose sight of a fact:
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jan 2020

Trump needs a war. Needs it for distraction, and for the old 9-11 ruse of “it’s unpatriotic to criticize (much less impeach) a President when troops are in the field.”

All of these stories take on a different slant when viewed as part of Trump’s end game.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
52. Time to Hit the Streets!
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:44 PM
Jan 2020

This is our last chance to prevent a big big war that will please the Trump base!
This is disgusting. I do not believe that Iran was behind the storming of our embassy.
Iranians are a peace loving people. I have been there on a cultural tour. Iran is a large, powerful modern technologically up to date country. This is not a cake walk!

.99center

(1,237 posts)
59. Iranian sources tell the New York Times that Qasem Soleimani's killing could lead to war
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 10:55 PM
Jan 2020
BNO News
@BNONews
Iranian sources tell the New York Times that Qasem Soleimani's killing could lead to war, saying: "Official reaction will begin with a strike"



Farnaz Fassihi @farnazfassihi
Journalist @nytimes

Iranian sources in Iran are warning that killing Gen. Qasem Sulaimani spells war.
"Official reaction will begin with a strike," one says.


elleng

(130,908 posts)
62. 'Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani was killed in an American strike in Baghdad, American officials said.'
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:00 PM
Jan 2020

'BAGHDAD — Iranian official news media confirmed that a powerful commander of its Revolutionary Guards Corps, Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani, was killed in a strike on the Baghdad International Airport early Friday.

The United States carried out the strike, the Pentagon said.

“General Soleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region,” the Pentagon statement said. “General Soleimani and his Quds Force were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition service members and the wounding of thousands more.”'>>>


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/world/middleeast/qassem-soleimani-iraq-iran-attack.html

patphil

(6,176 posts)
77. It appears to me that this is a deliberate provocation done to create a war with Iran.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 11:35 PM
Jan 2020

Trump may have done this to short circuit the impeachment process. If Iran retaliates, and we end up in a war with them, McConnell can use this to justify rejecting the whole concept of a trial in the Senate.
The Democrats would be stuck with trying to move forward in the face of a wartime President who would say that Democrats are giving aid to Iran by pursuing impeachment.
The Republicans could essentially blow off the whole impeachment process.
Any possibility of a fair trial, or perhaps even one at all, could be dead.

Any way you look at it, it's a disaster for the Nation. I see this as a cynical move to trade U.S. lives for Trump's re-election.
It could end up with thousands of American Military personnel dead or wounded just to keep political power in the hands of the Republicans.

I hope I'm wrong.

Patrick Phillips

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
85. OTOH, if the US is at war,
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:02 AM
Jan 2020

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Trump can be charged with treason - and you know he's going to do something self-serving, illegal or both.

Jedi Guy

(3,191 posts)
93. The definition of treason requires that one give aid and comfort to the enemy.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:51 AM
Jan 2020

So unless he was outright aiding Iran in a declared war against the US, a treason charge wouldn't stick. Treason as defined in the Constitution is pretty narrow.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
101. Was wondering if this strike was
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 06:59 AM
Jan 2020

encouraged by Netanyahu and/or MBS, both of whom have Iran at the top of their enemies list. Those two countries appear to carry more weight in Trump's decision-making than Pompeo, Esper, the NSC or anyone else in Trump's WH circle of advisers.

at140

(6,110 posts)
88. I would be thrilled to see Eric & Ivanka in uniform
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:05 AM
Jan 2020

don't think Don Jr would pass the military physical to be allowed in.

Talitha

(6,589 posts)
90. Great idea, although they wouldn't be worth a poop.
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:21 AM
Jan 2020

In thinking about it, I wouldn't want to put their fellow-combatants in the position of depending on any of those slugs to cover their backs when the time came. But yeah, it'd be a kick to see daddy's little princess covered in muck, and to see jared with a buzz cut. IMO they'd be whacked out before they get out of basic.

Really though, I was referring to all the tough guys with the confederate flags and camo outfits. You know... the ones that scream their support at the rallies and are supposed to be unleashed on the Dems when dumpy loses the election.

Let them all join up now and prove their loyalty - we'll see what they're made of.

Bayard

(22,073 posts)
91. I'm even worried about my niece and her husband in Germany
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:26 AM
Jan 2020

He's an Army Ranger, and communications instructor. They live in military housing. She's pregnant.

There could be retaliation for this moronic move anywhere in the world. Who will be the first to die for another tRump narcissistic and self-serving stunt?

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
92. Various Actors in the U.S. and Elsewhere want chaos and confusion
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:33 AM
Jan 2020

and war is a great enabler. Power and $$$ are their ends and the people of the
nations are pawns to be manipulated and used.

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