Paul Ryan Tells Florida Seniors That Obamacare Includes Death Panels

[Hissyspit]

Source: Think Progress

Paul Ryan Tells Florida Seniors That Obamacare Includes Death Panels

By Igor Volsky on Sep 22, 2012 at 4:19 pm

Paul Ryan likened a mechanism to control health care spending to “death panels,” during a town hall at the University of Central Florida in Orlando on Saturday.

After listening to Ryan repeatedly call for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, an elderly man asked the Republican vice presidential nominee about “the death panels.” Rather than dissuading the man from what PolitiFact named 2009?s Lie of the Year, Ryan laughed and responded, “that’s not the word I’d choose to use to describe it. It’s actually called….the Independent Payment Advisory Board”:

QUESTION: We love you Paul. But I’m getting long in years. Will you address the death panels that we’re going to have?

RYAN: The death panels, well! That’s not the word I’d choose to use to describe it. It’s actually called. It’s actually called, so in Medicare, what I refer to as this board of 15 bureaucrats. It’s called the Independent Payment Advisory Board. It sounds fairly innocuous.

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[Iliyah]

1. Lyin'Ryan, Lyin'Ryan . . . . .

So called "Christian" lying for the Lurd, hallelujah!

[spiderpig]

2. Hi would be pathetic if he weren't so evil

I can't even look at his smug, smarmy face.

Tool.

[NEWYORKDEM]

9. Ryan is a lyin'..again

Romney/Ryan need to win Florida for starters. If they don't carry Florida, they are done before they start.

Ryan is such a double talking punk.

[Hoyt]

3. Even if Ryan were correct, it would be better than some fool who earns bonuses or stock options

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for denying care. A duly appointed -- or even elected -- board to oversee coverage requirements is much better than letting the "free" market sort it out. I hope people aren't buying Ryan's lies.

[tavalon]

4. How can you tell Ryan is Lyin'?

His lips are moving.

[AAO]

27. You could say that about any republican! n/t

[Downwinder]

5. He didn't happen to mention that he sits on one of those

"Death Panels," the US Congress.

[BlueToTheBone]

10. Well, and why would he? He hates those old people

with all their wrinkly skin reminding him that time passes and he will age and he will die? Sad little man.

[cr8tvlde]

6. Just MHO, but seniors are increasingly internet savvy. I believe they trust the AARP

at least collectively, more than some glad-handed and glib whippersnapper politician. Heck, some are Baby Boomers. LOL

[rsweets]

7. So.. is it Paul Palin, or Sara Ryan

I'm starting to get those two confused...
but hopefully they will be together at Fox
come the first of the year...

[lexw]

35. Nice!

[DreamGypsy]

8. The Ryan-Romney health care plan includes Death Panels

Well, the death panels. That’s not the word I’d choose to use to describe it. It’s actually called. It’s actually called, your credit card company and your bank. A huge, anonymous hoard of financial executioners. Doesn't sound innocuous to me.

Oh, your coupon is too small. OFF WITH HER HEAD!

[annabanana]

11. Insurance companies have REAL, functioning death panels.

"rejection of claim notice"
"does not cover"
"out of network"
"exclusion"

killers

[Festivito]

37. Do we believe in democracy OR the power of wealth.

Each of these paths has death panels.

One listens to people, then money.

The other listens to money, then people.

[Th1onein]

12. See? "Going rogue," which was Palin's advice to the Romney campaign is just code for LYING.

That's what SHE did when she was a candidate for VP, and that's what she called it.

[fascisthunter]

13. he is one sick puppy....

no shame, no guilt... just a fucked up sociopath working for the other sickos who are part of the 1%.

[Odin2005]

15. They are playing on Americans' neurotic fear of "rationing"

They do this all the time, the "Death Panels" crap is just the newest form of it.

[Ikonoklast]

23. Some people actually believe that there is a finite supply of health care in this nation.

If some poor person is getting seen by a doctor, somewhere, anywhere in this country, some person on Medicare won't be able to see a doctor that day.

I've been told that by an geezer that thinks Mexicans are all moving to this country just to keep him from seeing a doctor.

[jmowreader]

16. It's going to be the death panel for his political career if he keeps it up

[Mopar151]

17. There's one in every state!

They are called Workmen's Compensation Boards. R&R never heard of such a thing....

[progressivebydesign]

18. That is a fucking FAKE question, planted. No one talks like that.

They were scripted, obviously.

Fuck Ryan...

[left on green only]

21. That was my thought as well.

In my natural state, I tend to be the wordsmith as well. But even I am not that stiff. And you could also tell that Ryan's response was memorized and contrived as well. I wonder if anyone was fooled?

[wordpix]

28. totally agree, my first thought

[chuckstevens]

19. Something Smells!

Something Smells. Wait a minute. Oh yeah, it's the smell of DESPERATION!

[silvershadow]

20. Yes. As desperate as the stench of death. I've got news for Ryan:

The real death panels are already in place in the current beuracratic system. The fight between political forces, corrupt politicos, and clashing idelogoies lead us into a system that is a hellish nightmare. And it doesn't stop. Now the state is using call centers, they conveniently lose paperwork, the conveniently do all sorts of stuff to make me continue to prove that somehow the MS I have hasn't somehow cured itself, or whatever. It's a non-stop harassment campaign. Latest letter, recieved yesterday, indicated that it "appears' I am no longer eligible for the extra help (That extra help is my Medicaid, which *IS my supplemental. Now I got to get a lawyer, I'm so tired of it I'm thinking of suing, class action if I can to prove that I don't have the time for this. It's just me. I either have time to be sick, and in between try to get well, or I have time for their nonsense. But not both. Either that or just give up. I'm not far from that.

[The Wielding Truth]

22. He should be penalized for misleading seniors. Disgusting.

[The Wizard]

24. He'll leave Congress

to become a lobbyist for Soylent Green.

[riverbendviewgal]

25. Ha that's good

His day will come.

[wordpix]

26. the questioner sounds like a plant, bringing up "death panels" is just too perfect a pitch

I call foul

[StarryNite]

29. What a fucking lying sack of

shit!

[wordpix]

30. news flash to Ryan: most seniors with brains have written living wills & their wishes will be

carried out. This death panel BS is just that. What a crock.

[AndyTiedye]

31. Whereas Ryan Vouchercare Would Eventually Leave Most Elderly People Uninsured

[SoapBox]

32. O...M...G!!!

What a lying POS!

Like others have said, is this the Palin style of "goi'n rogue"? Just freak'n lying?!?

Hey Coupon Care Man, didn't your mother ever tell you NOT to lie?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. Somebody should call him out

[Zambero]

34. Hey Hey, now Ryan is following in Sarah Palin's footsteps

Just be careful there Paul the Lyin' Hearted, she might have copyrighted that term. But never mind that, just keep doing the Rogue Sarah bit. And don't forget to ask yourself: How will THAT work out for ya?

[Cha]

36. Did he tell AARPs about the

Death Panels? If not, why not?

[oldsarge54]

38. Funny how things Evolve

The original "Death Panel" scare was brought up when there was proposed language in the ACA to allow Doctors to discuss end of life treatments with the patient, rather than dodge the issue and pretend they are going to get well.

As for the new definition of death panel, people deciding whether treatment is called for or not, well, the "free market" insurance companies always had those. Bean counters who were unaccountable to anyone but the board of directors who determined what procedures would be paid for, the cost/benefit to the company (not the patient), and whether or not to count a procedure as experimental or "necessary." These decisions are not being made by doctors.

Ryan, it is you trying to divert attention. Shut up, stand up, salute, and go down with your ship.

[rgbecker]

39. Read About it. Does it equate to "Death Panel"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Payment_Advisory_Board