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Omaha Steve

(99,658 posts)
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:23 AM Dec 2019

Putin says Russia is leading world in hypersonic weapons

Source: AP

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV

MOSCOW (AP) — President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday that Russia has got a strong edge in designing new weapons and that it has become the only country in the world to deploy hypersonic weapons.

Speaking at a meeting with top military brass, Putin said that for the first time in history Russia is now leading the world in developing an entire new class of weapons unlike in the past when it was catching up with the United States.

The Russian leader noted that during Cold War times, the Soviet Union was behind the United States in designing the atomic bomb and building strategic bombers and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

“Now we have a situation that is unique in modern history when they are trying to catch up to us,” he said. “Not a single country has hypersonic weapons, let alone hypersonic weapons of intercontinental range.”



Russian President Vladimir Putin arrives to attend an annual meeting with top military officials in the National Defense Control Center in Moscow, Russia, Tuesday, Dec. 24, 2019.Putin said that Russia is the only country in the world that has hypersonic weapons even though its military spending is a fraction of the U.S. military budget. (Mikhail Klimentyev, Sputnik, Kremlin Pool Photo via AP)


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Putin says Russia is leading world in hypersonic weapons (Original Post) Omaha Steve Dec 2019 OP
This has been coming for years. No surprise. But it certainly needs to be countered. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #1
Fuck Putin Lock him up. Dec 2019 #2
"Hypersonic" Roy Rolling Dec 2019 #3
Old technology. lonely bird Dec 2019 #7
Hypersonic is defined as more than 5x the speed of sound. Very significant. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #8
As mentioned above, hypersonic is much faster than 600 mph Sapient Donkey Dec 2019 #16
Mach 5 or 6 thousand (6000) mph more like. rickyhall Dec 2019 #18
Here's the point Roy Rolling Dec 2019 #21
Neah neah-neah neah neah booga booga booga. DinahMoeHum Dec 2019 #4
Yawn. The weapons that really bother me is sPUTINs ability to shape political and social events abqtommy Dec 2019 #5
In other news Sony loves new Betamax format! DaDeacon Dec 2019 #6
Did he thank Comrade tRump? Scarsdale Dec 2019 #9
Putin's largest and most helpful weapon was the Scarsdale Dec 2019 #10
The US is not far behind and Putin will regret it jpak Dec 2019 #11
that's just fucking great onethatcares Dec 2019 #12
USA has better satellites Baked Potato Dec 2019 #13
He's probably been given the technology from Trump. Firestorm49 Dec 2019 #14
So what? Flaleftist Dec 2019 #15
re: "Not a single country has hypersonic weapons..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2019 #17
Hypersonic weapons aren't ballistic like sn ICBM The_jackalope Dec 2019 #19
My only point was that Putin's statement is not accurate. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2019 #22
First off, he's a Russian leader. I'd believe IQ45 before I believe him... paleotn Dec 2019 #20
There are American Embassy workers (Cuba and I think China) permanently disabled ... Hekate Dec 2019 #23

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
1. This has been coming for years. No surprise. But it certainly needs to be countered.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:29 AM
Dec 2019

Just like any other new weapon system

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
3. "Hypersonic"
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:41 AM
Dec 2019

That means faster than 600mph.

Which means one side would be totally annihilated a few seconds before the other is totally annihilated.

Bragging about insignificance.

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
16. As mentioned above, hypersonic is much faster than 600 mph
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 02:33 PM
Dec 2019

It's more like 3.8k mph. The big deal is that by the time such missiles are detected it's too late to attempt to counter them (shoot them down, move, or confuse them) This is different than if some subsonic and non-stealthy missiles are fired at something. In that case there is a good chance it will be shot down in an air with solid air defense. A long range hypersonic anti-ship missile is a huge risk to carriers. It really does change things based on my understanding.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
21. Here's the point
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 05:46 PM
Dec 2019

10,000 mph is not significant in a nuclear war of mutually-assured destruction.

Does anybody really think Moscow would annihilate any place in The U.S. without destroying itself in the process?

So 600 mph or 6000 mph—the result is the end of the world.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
5. Yawn. The weapons that really bother me is sPUTINs ability to shape political and social events
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 11:50 AM
Dec 2019

to his liking. (like installing tRUMP as pRESIDENT and corrupting entire groups of politicians) I'll take a quick death from some Weapon Of Mass Destruction as being more desirable than the living hell of
tRUMP and his cultists. But then neither one of those options is the best choice, is it?

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
9. Did he thank Comrade tRump?
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:27 PM
Dec 2019

No doubt some of the plans came from the Pentagon, after they shared them with tRump.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
10. Putin's largest and most helpful weapon was the
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:30 PM
Dec 2019

one he installed in the White House. It is not "smart" by any means, but certainly very destructive. It is very fast at destroying the US.

jpak

(41,758 posts)
11. The US is not far behind and Putin will regret it
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:45 PM
Dec 2019

Yup

The First U.S. Hypersonic Weapons: Arrow and Hacksaw

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a22791042/the-first-us-hypersonic-weapons-arrow-and-hacksaw/

The U.S. Air Force has awarded contracts to defense giant Lockheed Martin to develop two new hypersonic weapon systems. The contracts are in response to the rapid development of hypersonics in Russia and China, a development that could challenge U.S. technological superiority.

The first weapon, the AGM-183A Advanced Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW, pronounced “Arrow”) is an outgrowth of the DARPA’s Tactical Boost Glide program. ARRW is a rocket carried aloft by an aircraft such as a B-52 bomber and has a top speed of up to Mach 20. This makes it up to four times faster than Russian and Chinese hypersonic weapons, including Starry Sky 2 and Kinzhal. The Air Force recently awarded Lockheed Martin a $480 million contract to develop the ARRW, with an eye towards operational capability in 2021.

The second weapon is the Hypersonic Conventional Strike Weapon (HCSW, or “Hacksaw”). A solid fuel rocket with GPS guidance, HCSW is also designed to be carried by aircraft with a planned in-service date of 2022. Lockheed Martin received $928 million to work on Hacksaw in April 2018.

These aren’t the Pentagon’s only hypersonic projects. DARPA’s Tactical Boost Glide, a weapon with a 500 nautical mile range, is set to begin flight tests in 2019. DARPA is also working on the Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept (HAWC), which uses scramjet engines to cruise at hypersonic speeds. The U.S. Navy tested an unnamed boost glide weapon in November 2017.

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onethatcares

(16,172 posts)
12. that's just fucking great
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:58 PM
Dec 2019

can we just all work for the MIC and live in barracks and eat in mess halls while building weapons of mass destruction to kill each other with.

You know Lockheed Martin is chompin at the bit to build a bunch of threat busters, and then Russia will build more which we'll have to counter by building more, and they'll have to build more to get a head of us so we'll build more yada yada yada yada.

Merry Christmas you all, and don't forget, We're celebrating the King of Peace birthday tomorrow.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
15. So what?
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 02:06 PM
Dec 2019

Any strike would be met by retaliation. The US and allies have missiles positioned all over the place, plus submarines roaming the oceans that can also launch weapons. Of course, I don't know how much Trump can be trusted if Russia does bomb us or our allies, but that's true regardless of the speed of Russia's weapons.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
17. re: "Not a single country has hypersonic weapons..."
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 02:42 PM
Dec 2019

Let me get this straight. Putin is unaware of the LGM-30G Minuteman III which is now the only US deployed land based ICBM?? The Minuteman III has a speed of Mach 23.



Perhaps it's time for Russia to stop blocking IP address 208.80.154.232 and allow queries to Wikipedia.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
19. Hypersonic weapons aren't ballistic like sn ICBM
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 05:15 PM
Dec 2019

They move fast close to the surface like cruise missiles, so are very hard to counter. They are real threats to warships. That said, MAD still applies.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
20. First off, he's a Russian leader. I'd believe IQ45 before I believe him...
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 05:30 PM
Dec 2019

...secondly, does Russia really want another arms race? That went so well for them the last time.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
23. There are American Embassy workers (Cuba and I think China) permanently disabled ...
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 07:00 PM
Dec 2019

...from what is believed to be this shit.

Hey, but Donald's going to get to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, so it's all good.

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