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Bragi

(7,650 posts)
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 02:51 PM Sep 2012

Canadian linked to anti-Islam film seeks protection

Source: CBC News

Coptic Christian Nader Fawzy denies involvement, worries about his family's safety

A Coptic Christian activist say he fears for his family's safety after being accused of playing a role in the notorious anti-Islam film that has sparked violence throughout the Muslim world.

Nader Fawzy, speaking at a news conference in Toronto on Saturday, said he has been the target of threats emanating from Egypt over the Innocence of Muslims trailer released on the internet over the summer...

Fawzy said his name appeared in a published list of people involved in the film, an action he says amounts to a fatwa, or religious edict. He told reporters on Saturday he believes the Egyptian government put his name on the list out of revenge for his work as a Coptic activist.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/09/22/karygiannis-coptic-christian-death-threat.html



I think it's completely plausible that the Egyptian government would take the opportunity to charge pesky Coptic Christian leaders abroad with collusion on the blasphemous film. It satisfies the domestic need for "action" while crippling international advocates for the Copts. Nice.

As a Canadian with no particular interest in Coptic Christian issues, I want my sad excuse for a government to protect this man and his family. I gather this gentleman actually had nothing to do with the anti-Muslim film, but I want him protected whether or not he had any involvement in making that offensive, but legal, film. This IS about free speech.
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Canadian linked to anti-Islam film seeks protection (Original Post) Bragi Sep 2012 OP
Well they should have thought of that when the did it. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #1
He claims no involvement at all, not that it matters Bragi Sep 2012 #2
You did catch the part where he's saying he *didn't* participate in that, right? Posteritatis Sep 2012 #3
" Both Coptic Christians deny having anything to do with it." Read the article. uppityperson Sep 2012 #5
He should have thought of that before being accused of something he didn't do 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #12
Indeed. uppityperson Sep 2012 #15
Yes we have freedom of speech...but you live with what you say/do. sybster1000 Sep 2012 #4
So, if I say something... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #8
You should have thought of that before you said it 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #14
So if I say that... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #16
Yes! 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #18
Okay then. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #20
Part of actually believing in free speech as a nation 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #13
And I hope he gets it Taverner Sep 2012 #6
He claims not to have said it in the first place. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #7
Either way Taverner Sep 2012 #9
Wow. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #10
By "get it" I meant protection Taverner Sep 2012 #17
heh... I too thought you meant that in the less positive way... octothorpe Sep 2012 #19
Intolerance elbloggoZY27 Sep 2012 #11
I was a bit harsh yesterday... sybster1000 Sep 2012 #21

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
2. He claims no involvement at all, not that it matters
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:00 PM
Sep 2012

It's an old Canadian custom to defend people whose lives and those of their families are threatened because someone didn't like something that was said. I'm hoping our current Bushian government doesn't reverse that custom.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
3. You did catch the part where he's saying he *didn't* participate in that, right?
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:04 PM
Sep 2012

Some of the people involved in it were pretty transparently deceived, and there've been people accused of involvement for the sake of one grudge or another.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
12. He should have thought of that before being accused of something he didn't do
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:17 PM
Sep 2012

false-accusations have consequences. He chose poorly.

sybster1000

(88 posts)
4. Yes we have freedom of speech...but you live with what you say/do.
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:12 PM
Sep 2012

This guy may not have been involved, but for those who were...


Many Muslim men have NOTHING..no education, no money, they live in awful conditions. Their Religion/Faith is all that they have. I am a woman who does not really appreciate some aspects of Islam, but I think that this was done to incite violence and for that reason alone.

They are Egyptian...they KNEW this would happen. And in the Middle Eastern culture, your family is often punished as well...they KNEW that when they released the trailer. Now they are going to plead for the countries that gave them refuge to protect them from what they KNEW was going to happen...pisses me off. Their butts are over here and Americans over there are being killed because of something the KNEW would happen.

I don't have any sympathy for them...plead your case to the dead and injured.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
8. So, if I say something...
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 04:34 PM
Sep 2012

that pisses off a nutcase, and they threatened to kill me, I shouldn't expect protection?

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
14. You should have thought of that before you said it
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:20 PM
Sep 2012

You can't expect the crazy people to act rationally (that would be crazy).

JD SALINGER HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS!

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
16. So if I say that...
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 06:26 PM
Sep 2012

Terry Jones is a whack job, and one of his followers threaten to kill me, I deserve it?

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
18. Yes!
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 08:59 PM
Sep 2012

You provoked them.

That's what freedom of expression means: the right to be murdered if you ever get out of line.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
13. Part of actually believing in free speech as a nation
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:19 PM
Sep 2012

is not allowing people to be killed over what they say.


Many Muslim men have NOTHING..no education, no money, they live in awful conditions. Their Religion/Faith is all that they have. I am a woman who does not really appreciate some aspects of Islam, but I think that this was done to incite violence and for that reason alone.


Many Christians are in that boat too. And Hindus. And Buddhists.

They are Egyptian...they KNEW this would happen. And in the Middle Eastern culture, your family is often punished as well...they KNEW that when they released the trailer. Now they are going to plead for the countries that gave them refuge to protect them from what they KNEW was going to happen...pisses me off. Their butts are over here and Americans over there are being killed because of something the KNEW would happen.


So our freedom of speech is wrong because their culture can't handle it like civilized people?

I don't have any sympathy for them...plead your case to the dead and injured.


Must have been a hell of a video to cause death and injury by merely viewing it.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
6. And I hope he gets it
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 03:22 PM
Sep 2012

Yes, he is full of hate.

Yes, he wanted to bring about the war between Islam and the West.

And yes, in part he succeeded.

But - to paraphrase Voltaire, I disapprove of what he said, but I will defend to the death his right to say it.

octothorpe

(962 posts)
19. heh... I too thought you meant that in the less positive way...
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 09:02 PM
Sep 2012

Not your fault though. My mind kinda went autopilot after reading the "I hope he gets it", and it didn't take into the entire post and it's context.... or something like that.

 

elbloggoZY27

(283 posts)
11. Intolerance
Sat Sep 22, 2012, 05:05 PM
Sep 2012

Being intolerant of any ones religion is total disrespect. However, violence is also not the answer.

sybster1000

(88 posts)
21. I was a bit harsh yesterday...
Sun Sep 23, 2012, 08:25 AM
Sep 2012

but I sincerely think that this was orchestrated by the Right Wingers because they knew what would happen...and the damn mobs proved them right. I believe that it was released right on time, right before the election...Romney certainly stumbled, but Obama is taking a lot of criticism for the violence.

Yes, the trailer shows "the prophet" giving oral sex to a woman, being sexually provocative with several, etc. It is crap and I would laugh at it's weird, cheap, disorienting 'green screen" format if it was Jesus...but radical Muslims do not view things in the same way.



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