Puerto Rico to approve cockfighting, defy federal ban
Source: AP
By DANICA COTO
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) Puerto Rico will defy the U.S. government and approve a law to keep cockfighting alive in a bid to protect a 400-year-old tradition practiced across the island despite a federal ban that goes into effect this week, officials told The Associated Press on Tuesday night.
The move brought cautious rejoicing in the cockfighting business despite concerns that the U.S. territory is trying to override a federal law that President Donald Trump signed a year ago.
We are certainly challenging a federal law. We know what that implies, Rep. Gabriel Rodríguez Aguiló, who co-authored the bill, told the AP.
He said that Gov. Wanda Vázquez was scheduled to sign the bill Wednesday morning and that he expected the fight to end up in federal court.
FILE - In this Oct. 19, 2003 file photo, man bets during a cockfight in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The U.S. territory of Puerto Rico will defy the U.S. government and approve a law to keep cockfighting alive in a bid to protect a 400-year-old tradition practiced across the island despite a federal ban that goes into effect this week, officials confirmed late Tuesday, Dec. 17, 2019. (AP Photo/Walter Astrada, File)
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marble falls
(57,201 posts)That's like arguing slavery should be legal because its "cultural".
get the red out
(13,468 posts)Horrible cruelty shouldn't be excused because "cultural".
This disgusts me!
patricia92243
(12,600 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)in the U.S. What can be more brutal than two people beating the shit out of one another until one of them is either knocked unconscious, beaten to a pulp, or gives up to the so-called victor?
Nothing but Gladiator 102- And I won't even get into bullfighting.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)With MMA and boxing you have two matched opponents in mutual combat. Nobody is forced into the ring without their consent. Cockfighting involves animals who are forced to fight for humans enjoyment. They have
djg21
(1,803 posts)Animals cant knowingly consent. Cockfighting is despicable. It is also big business in Puerto Rico, and there are commercial cockfighting rings/establishments throughout San Juan and across the island.
marble falls
(57,201 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)In February 1995 it was estimated that "approximately 500 boxers have died in the ring or as a result of boxing since the Marquess of Queensberry Rules were introduced in 1884."[1] 22 boxers died in 1953 alone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_due_to_injuries_sustained_in_boxing
marble falls
(57,201 posts)Cock fights are most to the death of one or both chickens. They don't volunteer.
Boxing (which I used to love and now I think should be banned) at least actually tried to make it 'safer'. Some of the things they did made it worse, like going to gloves. Less stitches but much more brain injuries.
In cock fighting they add metal spurs to make it more deadly than whatever nature's purposes were to cocks fighting nature.
TommyCelt
(838 posts)Boxers know the risks of their sport and do indeed volunteer to get into the ring.
Chickens don't.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)That being primary and critical fulcrum you ignore in constructing a leveraged argument.
packman
(16,296 posts)jeffreyi
(1,943 posts)Keep the animals out of it.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Aristus
(66,461 posts)Very well...
kimbutgar
(21,188 posts)Fighting.
ancianita
(36,133 posts)People can be outraged all they want. Treatment of animals is not like slavery. It IS a cultural thing in PR.
Cockfighting's days might be numbered, yet PR has 71 cockfighting establishments in 45 municipalities licensed by the island's Department of Sports and Recreation.
I've been there and seen that borriqueños consider it normal. PR cockfight arenas sell dead chickens to restaurants in PR.
Here? Americans don't want to be outraged at the mass cruelty of OUR warehoused, crippled chickens sold to slaughterhouses that wholesale their beheaded bodies to food franchises -- from slaughterhouse to table.
Theres plenty of outrage to be had here about PR humans, citizens literal suffering and death from American neglect -- that is no game to them.
Yet American media don't really care about PR citizens. Media amplify PR's small flaws as filler. Puerto Ricans know theres little to no outrage that PR hasn't had any representation in the U.S. government, anyway, since it became a territory.
Targeting PR with outrage about "cruelty" is distraction, manufactured to deflect from what media should be covering -- the U.S.'s impending minority rule and end of democratic government.
Go ahead with this new outrage, but PR, in the world of animal cruelty, doesn't have to take orders from the U.S. to "go first" in banning animal cruelty.
All this while media and Americans don't target mass animal cruelty is right here in the U.S.
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)ancianita
(36,133 posts)Which in itself is a media distraction that's working in this thread.
ChiTownDenny
(747 posts)will hate PR and its residents regardless of its long established "cultural thing" of engaging in animal cruelty. Turning a blind eye to this type of animal cruelty and exclaiming it's not slavery...beyond the pale. Both are wrong!
While I appreciate your support for PR and its residents, there can be no justification for animal cruelty. One can hold two mutually exclusive thoughts simultaneously.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"It IS a cultural thing in PR."
And cultures change.
(and yes, both Americans and US media target animal cruelty right here... regardless of whether you yourself ignore it to the point that you are unable to see it as such)
I've never seen the self-righteous rationalizing such abject cruelty in the here and now.
Until now.
ancianita
(36,133 posts)If everyone here wants to target a country with outrage over abject cruelty, you all only need to look at our industrial meat industry. Which PR doesn't have.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chickens-slaughtered-conscious_n_580e3d35e4b000d0b157bf98?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAItR29JZoInTHH7bAcgvoXn0ubtaXRwy9zGbO692BTtrHZlYOXx4TVutDOroCDRi11S3YVy_sjJi_q4FBQxFFgYboKmnLyQIiDMvaMOKifc6f302h_LrwH8q1vNxrmEFvp7oO7DfMKAYcoYVhCZ0uHxR6FbFHo3vlIOY02DcvTxv
"... while animal rights activists are celebrating the move, its putting the livelihood of thousands at risk at a time when Puerto Rico desperately needs jobs. Its also raising questions about self-determination and democracy in this U.S. territory, which is ruled by Washington but has little sway over those who determine its fate.
Puerto Ricos breeding farms and 71 registered cockfighting establishments, or galleras, generate some $65 million a year and account for more than 7,200 direct and indirect jobs, according to a report commissioned by the islands largest cockfighting organization and adopted by the local government.
Crucially, the industry is one of the foundations of the rural economy a sector that has been hit hard by a decade-long recession and is still recovering from Hurricane Maria in 2017.
Even if Gov. Wanda Vázquez signs the law before the deadline, theres no guarantee it will keep the feds at bay, said Orlando Vargas, the president of the San Juan Cockfighting Club, the islands largest organization.
At best, the Puerto Rican bill might spark a legal confrontation that could buy the industry some time, he said.
We know this is an uphill battle, he said. But this is a tradition thats part of Puerto Ricos folklore. Weve been doing this for 400 years, since Spanish colonization, and to lose this would be to lose part of our history.
The case against cockfighting is straightforward: Critics say theres no room in modern society for a cruel sport that forces birds to gouge at each other with sharpened spurs, often to the death, as crowds bet on their chances of survival.
While it is true that cockfighting has been practiced for centuries in various countries, including the United States, old does not necessarily mean right or even acceptable, the U.S. Humane Society argues ...
There are also worries about the unregulated and illegal gambling that surrounds cockfights. At any given match in Puerto Rico, wads of cash exchange hands after each bout.
But if Washington wants to take a stand against animal cruelty it should start closer to home, says Gerardo Mora Pagán, the head of the Puerto Rican Cockfighting Commission inside the Department of Recreation and Sports.
Puerto Ricos cockfights are heavily regulated, provide much-needed income to the government and are no more reprehensible than other beloved U.S. activities like horse racing, rodeos, or even boxing or football, he said.
'You want to talk about cruelty? You have millions of hunters in the United States who shoot a deer, decapitate it and then mount its head on the wall as a trophy and nobody says anything about it,' he said. 'But we have people in Congress who dont even know where Puerto Rico is and theyre going to take away our cockfighting industry?'
Living in an unincorporated U.S. territory, Puerto Ricans are effectively U.S. citizens with little sway on the mainland. Residents of the island cannot vote for the U.S. president and have no voting members of Congress. Not surprisingly, decisions taken on Capitol Hill are often seen as cold and unfair impositions a blow to the islands right to self-determination.
Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article238313273.html#storylink=cpy
oldsoftie
(12,597 posts)Maybe the mainland sweetens the pot if the island drops this barbaric bullshit.
Anyone comparing cockfighting to football is a complete idiot. Then again, if you head the "Cockfighting Commission" you're probably already not known for being very bright
Vinca
(50,303 posts)Quackers
(2,256 posts)You cant hide behind cultural tradition to try and justify it. Some traditions deserve to die out.
ripcord
(5,536 posts)The feds need to come down hard on this, hopefully Trump will feel offended by them violating "his" law.
Judi Lynn
(160,614 posts)for innocent animals is morally diseased, and beyond reclamation.
They are far worse than ordinary perverts.
ancianita
(36,133 posts)Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)
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FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Should the animals suffer because their cousins are not suffering in the Hamptons?
Should poor people be allowed to do bad -- and completely unnecessary -- things just because they're poor?