Boris Johnson fails in third attempt to call early general election
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Source: The Guardian
Boris Johnson has lost his third bid for a general election, after Labour abstained and he failed to reach the two-thirds majority of MPs he needed for a poll. The result was 299 votes for and 70 against.
The prime minister is now expected to back a Liberal Democrat plan to change the law in order to secure an early election, although the parties do not yet agree on a date.The Lib Dems want a date of 9 December, while students are still at university, but the Tories favour 12 December, after some have broken up for Christmas.
Following the vote, Johnson said he would come back to the House on Tuesday with a Bill for a December 12 election that will require a simple majority rather than the two-thirds of MPs required for Mondays vote. Johnson said: Later on this evening, the government will give notice for the presentation a short bill an election on 12 December so we can finally get Brexit done. The house cannot any longer keep this country hostage
Now that no deal is off the table, we have a great new deal. Its time to put that to the
voters.
Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, suggested his party could also back the Lib Dem plan after coming under pressure to back an early poll. The party has been saying that it cannot support an election until a no-deal Brexit is removed as a risk. We will consider carefully any legislation on an early election, he said, adding that a date needed to be locked down in law to prevent Johnson trying to move it for his own advantage.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/boris-johnson-third-attempt-general-election-fails
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)former9thward
(32,064 posts)If it is a Remain then go for the best two out of three?
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)a result that would likely damage their national interest no matter how it ends up.
former9thward
(32,064 posts)And it was not particularly close. So a vote the other way would count more?
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)It has been proven over the last two years that idea would be traumatic to the national interest. A vote the other way would prevent much unneeded suffering.
BannonsLiver
(16,434 posts)You are exactly right! Thanks for pushing back against the Putinite talking points.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Losing a step...?
Maraya1969
(22,490 posts)informed now. This was so much like the IQ45 election; racism and rampant stupidity.
They deserve a second chance at a more informed decision
former9thward
(32,064 posts)New election on Dec. 12. It will be about Brexit and everyone knows it.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)It'll be a straight Brexit GE. We will know where everyone stands:. Cons, Brexit are for Brexit, LibDems, SNP, PC are for no Brexit. Labour.. ????
Me? Bollocks to Brexit....
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)mwooldri
(10,303 posts)He took Labour hard left in the 80s and got walloped by Thatcher at the polls.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)But iwouldnt mind seeing the other left parties gaining a ton of seats withtheir brexit position.
PSPS
(13,608 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Never had one.
PSPS
(13,608 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)and at home, if they want, but can only vote in one place if an election covers both (eg a national general election). But many will only bother registering where they study - local and (until now) European elections are always held in May, when they're at university, and general elections have been in term time for many decades even though they don't have to be, so voting in person would have been at their university address.
And, of course, very few students vote Tory. So they want to cut down the student vote any way they can. Conversely, the Lib Dems think they can pick up lots of student votes (they always did, before the Lib Dems, in coalition with the Tories, made a massive increase in student tuition fees; it's possible the effect of that has worn off by now - students are pro-EU in general, like the Lib Dems).
BumRushDaShow
(129,304 posts)we have the issue here of only being able to register in one place at a time when it comes to students in post-secondary schools - either home residence or school residence. And in the case of those who register at schools, the GOP had been trying to make it hard for students to even do that - in some cases, refusing to allow school IDs to count as an "acceptable" ID for voting or only allowing the student to register from their home address because the school address may be in some dorm that might not be "verifiable" or some other nonsense... Meaning that if the student doesn't go to a school close to home, they would have to vote absentee (which can be a nuisance in itself).
I know the 4 years I was away from home for college (different state), I had to write to the city of Philadelphia to request the form for an absentee ballot well in advance, send that in, and then hope I got a ballot mailed back to me in time... And then once I completed it, I had to return it at least 30 days before the election. They have since sped up the process a bit (thanks to the request forms being online) and I even heard last week that the state legislature is miraculously even debating whether to offer absentee ballots "for any cause", which is a major shift.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)crazytown
(7,277 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,304 posts)I know that Labour was looking for December 9 and Johnson was going for December 12 but then there seemed to be suggestion that they would compromise on December 11... but obviously that didn't happen!
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Straight party lines,
BumRushDaShow
(129,304 posts)Wasn't sure if the December 11th date was put up for a vote (although I expect the conservatives would try to show some sort of unity for simpler things like this and go with Johnson's recommended December 12).
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Will leave 1992 a distant second.
BumRushDaShow
(129,304 posts)And who knows? There might be some surprise realignment of parties too. Interestingly enough, Israel is going through similar with trying to form a government after a very close election.