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BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 03:23 PM Oct 2019

Boris Johnson fails in third attempt to call early general election

Last edited Mon Oct 28, 2019, 04:46 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: The Guardian

Boris Johnson has lost his third bid for a general election, after Labour abstained and he failed to reach the two-thirds majority of MPs he needed for a poll. The result was 299 votes for and 70 against.

The prime minister is now expected to back a Liberal Democrat plan to change the law in order to secure an early election, although the parties do not yet agree on a date.The Lib Dems want a date of 9 December, while students are still at university, but the Tories favour 12 December, after some have broken up for Christmas.

Following the vote, Johnson said he would come back to the House on Tuesday with a Bill for a December 12 election that will require a simple majority rather than the two-thirds of MPs required for Monday’s vote. Johnson said: “Later on this evening, the government will give notice for the presentation a short bill an election on 12 December so we can finally get Brexit done. The house cannot any longer keep this country hostage … Now that no deal is off the table, we have a great new deal. It’s time to put that to the
voters.”

Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, suggested his party could also back the Lib Dem plan after coming under pressure to back an early poll. The party has been saying that it cannot support an election until a no-deal Brexit is removed as a risk. “We will consider carefully any legislation on an early election,” he said, adding that a date needed to be locked down in law to prevent Johnson trying to move it for his own advantage.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/28/boris-johnson-third-attempt-general-election-fails

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Boris Johnson fails in third attempt to call early general election (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 OP
Ugh. The only thing "on the table" should be a second referendum. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #1
What would that do? former9thward Oct 2019 #4
If it's remain, then they can put this whole thing behind them, instead of fight tooth and nail for Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #8
They voted to leave. former9thward Oct 2019 #9
They voted for an idea with no specifics. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #10
+1 BannonsLiver Oct 2019 #11
Quickest movement of the goalposts this week. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #14
Putin was in full power with his fake news propaganda at the time. I think everyone is more Maraya1969 Oct 2019 #21
Well they will get one. former9thward Oct 2019 #26
Should be, but the GE is going to have to be a substitute. mwooldri Oct 2019 #6
Labor will get devastated if they dont choose a position soon. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #12
My fear is that Jeremy Corbyn will be this generations Michael Foot. mwooldri Oct 2019 #17
He seems to be making some terrible strategic decisions. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #19
Your signature will get your posts alerted PSPS Oct 2019 #7
What signature? Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #13
Sorry, I meant your avatar PSPS Oct 2019 #15
OHhhhh I know right? Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #16
The point about the date and students is that students can register both where they study muriel_volestrangler Oct 2019 #2
Thank you for that clarification because BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #3
Not a good look or good week for mini-me saidsimplesimon Oct 2019 #5
4th time lucky: Dec 12 crazytown Oct 2019 #18
Yup - saw the breaking news on it BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #20
Dec 9 Amendment lost 295 - 315 crazytown Oct 2019 #22
Yeah I figured that date wouldn't fly. BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #23
This is going to be the most vicious election in living memory. crazytown Oct 2019 #24
I can imagine. BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #25
 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
8. If it's remain, then they can put this whole thing behind them, instead of fight tooth and nail for
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 08:51 PM
Oct 2019

a result that would likely damage their national interest no matter how it ends up.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
10. They voted for an idea with no specifics.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:07 AM
Oct 2019

It has been proven over the last two years that idea would be traumatic to the national interest. A vote the other way would prevent much unneeded suffering.

Maraya1969

(22,490 posts)
21. Putin was in full power with his fake news propaganda at the time. I think everyone is more
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:09 PM
Oct 2019

informed now. This was so much like the IQ45 election; racism and rampant stupidity.

They deserve a second chance at a more informed decision

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
6. Should be, but the GE is going to have to be a substitute.
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 06:56 PM
Oct 2019

It'll be a straight Brexit GE. We will know where everyone stands:. Cons, Brexit are for Brexit, LibDems, SNP, PC are for no Brexit. Labour.. ????

Me? Bollocks to Brexit....

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
17. My fear is that Jeremy Corbyn will be this generations Michael Foot.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 04:49 PM
Oct 2019

He took Labour hard left in the 80s and got walloped by Thatcher at the polls.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
19. He seems to be making some terrible strategic decisions.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 04:58 PM
Oct 2019

But iwouldnt mind seeing the other left parties gaining a ton of seats withtheir brexit position.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
2. The point about the date and students is that students can register both where they study
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 03:55 PM
Oct 2019

and at home, if they want, but can only vote in one place if an election covers both (eg a national general election). But many will only bother registering where they study - local and (until now) European elections are always held in May, when they're at university, and general elections have been in term time for many decades even though they don't have to be, so voting in person would have been at their university address.

And, of course, very few students vote Tory. So they want to cut down the student vote any way they can. Conversely, the Lib Dems think they can pick up lots of student votes (they always did, before the Lib Dems, in coalition with the Tories, made a massive increase in student tuition fees; it's possible the effect of that has worn off by now - students are pro-EU in general, like the Lib Dems).

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
3. Thank you for that clarification because
Mon Oct 28, 2019, 04:10 PM
Oct 2019

we have the issue here of only being able to register in one place at a time when it comes to students in post-secondary schools - either home residence or school residence. And in the case of those who register at schools, the GOP had been trying to make it hard for students to even do that - in some cases, refusing to allow school IDs to count as an "acceptable" ID for voting or only allowing the student to register from their home address because the school address may be in some dorm that might not be "verifiable" or some other nonsense... Meaning that if the student doesn't go to a school close to home, they would have to vote absentee (which can be a nuisance in itself).

I know the 4 years I was away from home for college (different state), I had to write to the city of Philadelphia to request the form for an absentee ballot well in advance, send that in, and then hope I got a ballot mailed back to me in time... And then once I completed it, I had to return it at least 30 days before the election. They have since sped up the process a bit (thanks to the request forms being online) and I even heard last week that the state legislature is miraculously even debating whether to offer absentee ballots "for any cause", which is a major shift.

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
20. Yup - saw the breaking news on it
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:06 PM
Oct 2019

I know that Labour was looking for December 9 and Johnson was going for December 12 but then there seemed to be suggestion that they would compromise on December 11... but obviously that didn't happen!

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
23. Yeah I figured that date wouldn't fly.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:13 PM
Oct 2019

Wasn't sure if the December 11th date was put up for a vote (although I expect the conservatives would try to show some sort of unity for simpler things like this and go with Johnson's recommended December 12).

BumRushDaShow

(129,304 posts)
25. I can imagine.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:29 PM
Oct 2019

And who knows? There might be some surprise realignment of parties too. Interestingly enough, Israel is going through similar with trying to form a government after a very close election.

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