Network provider Cloudflare to drop 8chan after El Paso shooting
Source: NBC
Internet services provider Cloudflare announced on Sunday that it planned to cease doing business with an online forum that a gunman apparently used before killing 20 people in El Paso, Texas, the company said.
Cloudflares CEO, Matthew Prince, wrote in a blog post that his company was dropping 8chan after gunmen in Christchurch, New Zealand, and Poway, California, also used the site.
The anonymous forum, which the Anti-Defamation League has tied to the rise of online extremism, had shown itself to be lawless, Prince said. "That lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.
In El Paso, investigators are reasonably confident that suspect Patrick Crusius, 21, posted an anti-immigrant screed on the site shortly before the shooting. That note referenced the mass killing in Christchurch, when a white supremacist gunman allegedly gunned down 51 people and posted links to a livestream of the attack on 8chan.
Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/network-provider-cloudflare-drop-8chan-after-el-paso-shooting-n1039151
About damned time. That place is filth. And a computer security nightmare: malware in every other post.
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)RockRaven
(14,967 posts)for either finally doing the right thing (in which case it is terribly and inexcusably late) or for doing the wrong thing (because it was expedient for them).
As far as I can tell, they can't justify their action based on any sort of *principles* which do not likewise CONDEMN THEMSELVES FOR NOT ACTING SOONER.
murielm99
(30,741 posts)Grokenstein
(5,723 posts)When you cynically cash in on dipshit loners' violent fantasies, but then people start talking about holding you accountable for encouraging them...
Grokenstein
(5,723 posts)...that probably has a little to do with it.
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)Especially since Prince has stated he regrets kicking off Daily Stormer, and as of yesterday morning said he wasn't kicking off 8chan.
melman
(7,681 posts)Same company that helped keep the Daily Stormer online.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Just read that BitMitigate was recently bought by Rob Monster of Epik, a really nasty piece of work.
Dec 2018 HuffPo article:
... Monster registered Gabs domain in November, after several internet service providers abandoned the platform in response to one of its users allegedly killing 11 people in a Pittsburgh synagogue. Since then, Monster, a Bible-quoting Christian, has defended Gabs violent neo-Nazis, smeared critics who call for more regulation on the site, and made baseless claims that the racists on Gab are actually fake accounts created by liberals who want to make Gab look bad.
... But Monsters ideology and rhetoric can at times be almost indistinguishable from those of the neo-Nazis hes defended on Gab. And his actions have a broader significance: Gabs re-emergence marked a major setback for the growing activist-led movement to deplatform racists into irrelevance. The ease with which Monster, a tiny player in the tech community, was able to revive a gathering space for extremists illustrates the main limitation of deplatforming efforts: They require universal agreement. As long as one person, somewhere, is willing to host the hate, deplatforming doesnt work. ...
But he was soon sounding a lot more like the sites most extreme users than a neutral tech CEO. Despite his diverse circle of friends, Monster appears at ease with the anti-Semitic slurs and racist fearmongering that are rampant on the site. Earlier this month, he approvingly shared a video by Faith Goldy, a Canadian white nationalist, that characterized migrants as the bearers of rape epidemics, sharia law, and the spectacle of terror. ...
But even the white supremacists whose favored social network Monster is backstopping dont buy everything hes saying to defend Gab. Last month, he shared an image on Twitter claiming that 99 percent of neo-Nazis on Gab are actually liberals looking to give enemies of freedom an excuse. Cantwell, one of those neo-Nazis, quickly corrected him. Were not liberals, nor are the people trying to get us censored. The people trying to censor Gab are (((communists))), and the Nazis are the only ones willing to take them on, Cantwell posted, using triple parentheses to indicate he was referring to Jewish people. Eventually, he said, everyone will have to pick a side. ...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rob-monster-epik-gab-neo-nazi_n_5c17bb29e4b05d7e5d846f72
Hard to imagine enemy states like Russia don't have a finger in this somehow. Btw, the "liberals - antisemitism" meme currently so popular with extremists on both right and left has shown up on DU's Primaries forum, disguised of course.
oldsoftie
(12,544 posts)lark
(23,099 posts)They chose to give hate a platform and I'd bet it's not the only one on their site. Now that this has blown up on them, they get the vapors? Don't give racist hate daylight in the first place and maybe this wouldn't have happened?
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)Law enforcement, the Southern Poverty Law Center and others use these public boards to research and keep an eye on the trends of these terrorist groups. The more we censor them, the more they'll go underground and become harder to read and track. The cops used the 8chan messages to determine the true motives of the shooter. Without a board to post to, they may not get that sort of evidence in the future.
I'm conflicted about getting terrorists off the 'net. On the one hand, you're not facilitating hate speech and terror outreach. On the other, you're dropping a black curtain between law enforcement and them and removing one potential resource to obtain data about them.
ancianita
(36,055 posts)SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/08/8chan-briefly-got-back-online-with-same-cdn-used-by-neo-nazi-daily-stormer/
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The resurgence was short-lived, as BitMitigate's cloud infrastructure provider said it shut off that company's service. When Stanford Internet Observatory Director Alex Stamos pointed out that BitMitigate primarily rents hardware from Voxility instead of using its own, Voxility's Twitter account promised that "all content will be blocked shortly." Voxility is an infrastructure-as-a-service provider.
"We provide services to ISPs and hosting resellers and as a telco we do not have access to websites hosted by customers of our customers," Voxility also said. "We cannot deal with the websites directly, but we are now working on removing the reseller from the network."
Shortly after these tweets, the 8chan, Daily Stormer, and BitMitigate websites all went offline.
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