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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 10:23 AM Jul 2019

Boris Johnson 'turbo-charging' no-deal Brexit plans, say ministers

Source: The Guardian

Boris Johnson is “turbo-charging” preparations to leave the EU without a deal on 31 October as his government’s number one priority, according to several senior cabinet ministers.

The new prime minister sent out cabinet ministers for interviews across newspapers and broadcasters this weekend as part of a publicity blitz about the prospect of a no-deal Brexit.

Their message is that the UK will be heading for no deal unless EU leaders agree to replace the Irish backstop.

Michael Gove, the new Cabinet Office minister in charge of no-deal preparations, said the government was “operating on the assumption” that Britain would leave without a deal on 31 October and it was a “very real prospect” because EU leaders had so far not changed their minds about scrapping the backstop.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/28/boris-johnson-turbo-charging-no-deal-brexit-plans-say-ministers

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Boris Johnson 'turbo-charging' no-deal Brexit plans, say ministers (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2019 OP
Boris "Turbo" Johnson duforsure Jul 2019 #1
The so-called "Great Recession" Turbineguy Jul 2019 #15
And a No-Deal Brexit will start the next Great Recession. Yavin4 Jul 2019 #20
After Brexit, Britain goes broke. Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #28
Wake up Britain. Get rid of this fool. Stay in the EU Rene Jul 2019 #26
He is turbocharging the country over the cliff jpak Jul 2019 #2
BoJo looks like another Putin puppet calguy Jul 2019 #3
Formula 1 banned turbo-charging crazytown Jul 2019 #4
Turbotastic! Grokenstein Jul 2019 #5
From readings, sounds like the UK and the USA's Iliyah Jul 2019 #6
Thus ends the UK. volstork Jul 2019 #7
And England's National Health Service will be privatized. yardwork Jul 2019 #8
Even under the worst conditions that won't happen brooklynite Jul 2019 #10
Watch. yardwork Jul 2019 #17
Yep. In a "crisis", desperate measures are taken as the only reasonable, logical choice n/t Yavin4 Jul 2019 #21
Yes. Hard Brexit will destroy the economy, and everything will be for sale. yardwork Jul 2019 #22
The vulture capitalists will swarm the UK. n/t Yavin4 Jul 2019 #23
It doesn't matter what the "core argument of LEAVE" was jberryhill Jul 2019 #27
It has already been attacked from the US lonely bird Jul 2019 #13
I saw. yardwork Jul 2019 #16
What a fucking mess LeftishBrit Jul 2019 #9
And he'll run smack into the same reality as May... paleotn Jul 2019 #11
Haha! SergeStorms Jul 2019 #18
Nope, not as dumb.... paleotn Jul 2019 #19
I'm thinking this ASAP Rocky thing is a...well...it creates enmity between Sweden and the US.. Anon-C Jul 2019 #12
Can the UK force Northern Ireland and Scotland to stay in the UK? Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #14
Well, folks wanted a "Game of Thrones" sequel. Yavin4 Jul 2019 #24
What form of "force" would you imagine? jberryhill Jul 2019 #29
I wasn't thinking about physical force. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #30
The authority of courts rests in the ability to apply physical force jberryhill Jul 2019 #31
Everyone join me in welcoming our 51st State! KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2019 #25
Halloween is going to be extra scary this year in jolly old Britain IronLionZion Jul 2019 #32
Some men just want to see the world burn. maxsolomon Jul 2019 #33

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
1. Boris "Turbo" Johnson
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 10:41 AM
Jul 2019

Will flame out quickly as he destroys their economy from his horrible policies, and trump's policies will do the same in this country. trump is going to project blame as he always does conning a few stupid followers its someone else's fault for his failures. He's done this many times before in business, and openly bragged how good he is at coming up with excuses. Boris will also leave in shame for his actions. He's very destructive.

Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
20. And a No-Deal Brexit will start the next Great Recession.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jul 2019

Which is the whole point. Throw the nation into chaos so that private capital can go on a rampage.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. From readings, sounds like the UK and the USA's
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 11:15 AM
Jul 2019

economy will hand and hand falter deeply ummmm around November 2019. And yes, Putin is smiling from ear to ear. . . .
furthermore, Democrats can multi task, and I trust they may help save in due process the USA's economy but for that to happen, Republicans needs to be voted out.

Meanwhile, quietly, Democrats are still proceeding with multi investigations concerning the t-rump's administration, and in plain view, Democrats are running on what is important to everyday Americans.

volstork

(5,402 posts)
7. Thus ends the UK.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 11:15 AM
Jul 2019

Northern Ireland will leave to join the Irish Republic, and Scotland will bolt as well.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
8. And England's National Health Service will be privatized.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 11:19 AM
Jul 2019

Brexit is a form of disaster capitalism.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
10. Even under the worst conditions that won't happen
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 11:31 AM
Jul 2019

The core argument of LEAVE was that it would provide more money for NHS. No politician is calling for privatization.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. It doesn't matter what the "core argument of LEAVE" was
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:47 AM
Jul 2019

The fact is that money for the NHS will dry up along with the rest of the remaining English economy (after losing Scotland and as Northern Ireland deteriorates into chaos).

The "core argument of Trump" was bringing back coal and manufacturing jobs. It doesn't matter what the "core argument" was.

lonely bird

(1,687 posts)
13. It has already been attacked from the US
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 01:08 PM
Jul 2019

HCA iirc has already been pushing for privatization because after all the US system works so well.

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
9. What a fucking mess
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 11:25 AM
Jul 2019

As I've been saying since 2016, how on earth can a country be masochistic enough - and its government sadistic enough - to impose economic sanctions on *itself*?

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
11. And he'll run smack into the same reality as May...
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 11:44 AM
Jul 2019

In addition to crashing the UK economy, a hard Irish border from a new deal or no deal destroys the Good Friday Agreement, potentially returning NI to the bad old days. There's already rumblings from the "real, authentic, old time, real thing, those other guys are sell outs" IRA. NI's conservo-crazies, the DUP, won't stand for any differences between the border with the Irish Republic and the UK in general. Nothing has changed, other than the bluster. Rumple boy will soon find out that spouting stupid shit won't make reality disappear.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
18. Haha!
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jul 2019

"Rumple boy will soon find out that spouting stupid shit won't make reality disappear." Trump has been in power for close to three years and he still spouts stupid shit like it's made out of money. Some people never get over diarrhea of the mouth. It's imprinted on their DNA. Boris may be somewhat different because I don't believe he's quite as stupid as Trump. Extremely close, but not quite.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
19. Nope, not as dumb....
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jul 2019

His oral diarrhea springs from his Eton entitlement. I'm not sure which is worse.

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
12. I'm thinking this ASAP Rocky thing is a...well...it creates enmity between Sweden and the US..
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jul 2019

...that only serves Putin.

 

Everyman Jackal

(271 posts)
14. Can the UK force Northern Ireland and Scotland to stay in the UK?
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 01:24 PM
Jul 2019

Would a simple majority vote for independence let them leave?

 

Everyman Jackal

(271 posts)
30. I wasn't thinking about physical force.
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 09:12 AM
Jul 2019

I was wondering about some sort of treaty that could tie them up in court.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
31. The authority of courts rests in the ability to apply physical force
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 09:30 AM
Jul 2019

What makes a court decision binding is the credible extent to which it can be backed up by people with guns who are willing to kill persons which do not obey.

When you are dealing, however, with a dispute which is fundamentally over sovereignty, then the jurisdiction of any court to resolve the matter is not agreed on by both sides.

Hard Brexit breaks the Good Friday Agreement, which was the instrument under which hostilities in Northern Ireland were halted. Britain unilaterally breaking the Good Friday Agreement will, without question, cause the resumption of hostilities.

You simply can't have a porous and unenforced border between the EU (Ireland) and a country which is not part of the EU (Britain in the near future). However, you can't have a hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of Ireland either.

There is simply no graceful way to address it, and it will lead directly to violence.

Exploiting this division is part of the Russian plan to continue to amplify division and conflict in the west.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
25. Everyone join me in welcoming our 51st State!
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:28 AM
Jul 2019

For some of the sordid details on how it may play out.....

A Trump trade deal with Britain will unleash a bonfire of regulations
The desire of Liz Truss and other Tories for a post-Brexit alliance will deliver the UK into Washington’s pocket

Nick Dearden
Mon 29 Jul 2019

Link: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/trump-trade-deal-britain-bonfire-regulations-liz-truss-brexit

(snips)

Boris Johnson’s ruthless reshuffle makes one thing very clear: Brexit is about giving the right wing of the Tory party “the chance to finish the Thatcher revolution”. Johnson filled his government with ultra-free market ideologues such as Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng, who in 2012 vowed to give a good kick to the great British public, who they described as “among the worst idlers in the world”. Their plan to “unchain Britannia” by declaring war on the “bloated state, high taxes and excessive regulation” is actually a plan to unchain big business, which they believe, astonishingly, has suffered from masses of overregulation on the part of successive governments from Tony Blair to David Cameron.

Right at the ideological heart of this group is Liz Truss, founder of the Free Enterprise Group of Conservative MPs. Truss is a turbo-charged Thatcherite who has now replaced Liam Fox as international trade secretary. She has repeatedly spoken of her desire to drive down taxes, cut back public spending and strip away regulations on everything from housing, to education, to the workplace. In Truss’s mind, it would be a “complete contradiction of the Brexit vote” if it isn’t used to impose “fiscal discipline and economic liberalisation … [to] give people power over their own money and their own lives”.
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This should alarm us, but will doubtless be music to the ears of Truss, who believes we are “a nation of Airbnb-ing, Deliveroo-eating, Uber-riding freedom fighters”. She has criticised any attempt to control the overwhelming power of these corporations. When people have raised concerns about Airbnb in the tourist industry, or on the cost of housing, her answer is simple: cut all regulations in those sectors. She’s called for sweeping cuts to regulations in the workplace, too, boasting about making it easier for employers to sack the idlers and make the country more efficient and productive.

The problem with the railways isn’t, for Truss, that they are run for profit, but that they haven’t been privatised enough. The problem with austerity isn’t that it’s gone too far, or that it wasn’t necessary, but that it was nowhere near radical enough. And anyone who disagrees must be part of that “blob of vested interests” seeking only their own protection to waste the country’s resources.

Sound familiar, folks? Elections have consequences.

The shift to plutocracy slowly marches on.........

IronLionZion

(45,456 posts)
32. Halloween is going to be extra scary this year in jolly old Britain
Mon Jul 29, 2019, 12:59 PM
Jul 2019

If they don't have a sensible solution for the Irish border, look for the troubles to start up again.

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