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appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:21 AM Jun 2019

Seawalls To Protect US Against Rising Oceans Could Cost $416bn By 2040

Source: The Guardian

Defending against rising seas could cost US communities $416bn in the next 20 years, according to a new report.

Spending on seawalls alone could total almost as much as the initial investment in the interstate highway system, the authors said. And the billions involved will represent just a fraction of adaptation efforts governments in coastal states will have to fund if they do not want to simply retreat.

“I don’t think anybody’s thought about the magnitude of this one small portion of overall adaptation costs and it’s a huge number,” said Richard Wiles, executive director of the Center for Climate Integrity (CCI), which published the report.

Estimates of how much sea-level rise will cost often focus on impacts by 2100, Wiles said, adding that people will be paying for the climate crisis much earlier. “You’re looking at close to half a trillion spent over the next 20 years and no one has thought about that. So the question is, who’s going to pay for that? Is it really going to be taxpayers? The current position of climate polluters is that they should pay nothing, and that’s just not tenable.”

According to the report, Florida faces the highest costs, $76bn by 2040. Louisiana comes in second at $38bn and North Carolina third at $35bn. For cities, Jacksonville, Florida, New York and Virginia Beach could spend the most: $3.5bn, $2bn and $1.7bn, respectively. -MORE...

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/20/us-rising-seas-defense-seawalls-cost-report



The bills are beginning to be paid by places like Staten Island, New York, which is planning a 5-mile seawall costing $650b to withstand a 300-year storm. $400m of that amount will be paid by the federal government.

A heating planet and land-based melting of ice has caused the average global sea level to rise seven or eight inches since 1900. About 3in of that rise occurred since 1993. By 2100, seas could be up to 3ft higher according to the CCI.

The CCI report notes that cost figures are based on local projections for sea-level rise under the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) scenario for moderate levels of pollution. In that scenario, called RCP 4.5, emissions would peak around 2040 and then begin to decline.

The CCI report considered how much US communities would pay locally to build sea walls to protect against the storm surge expected in a given year, and many would spend more to build even stronger defenses.




- Hurricane Florence hits North Carolina, 2018.
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Seawalls To Protect US Against Rising Oceans Could Cost $416bn By 2040 (Original Post) appalachiablue Jun 2019 OP
These seawall Don't protect us as much as they protect NewDayOranges Jun 2019 #1
What would the wall do? Maxheader Jun 2019 #2
Yes, & look at the bonanza these companies could pull in. Scary. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #17
Worse than that. Florida has porous bedrock. The seawater can soak right through it under the wall. tclambert Jun 2019 #20
Correct, so how can this approach be effective?.. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #22
Staten Island is Trump country. ananda Jun 2019 #3
Seawalls are a damned brittle protection Recursion Jun 2019 #4
"I will make Mexico pay for the seawalls." - Dirty Donny* (R) Achilleaze Jun 2019 #5
I think this number is low genxlib Jun 2019 #6
The situation and reality in Miami Bch makes me sad, I enjoyed appalachiablue Jun 2019 #16
Something to consider (from the Land Use course I teach at NYU...) brooklynite Jun 2019 #7
To see how much Trump would help, see how much he has helped Tangier Island like he promised. keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #8
Interesting article, but the lack of science knowledge and appalachiablue Jun 2019 #15
Wouldn't it be cheaper to move? raccoon Jun 2019 #9
Of cource, had we acted when we were TOLD ABOUT IT decades ago..... Eustace is Useful Jun 2019 #10
PIPE DREAM ROB-ROX Jun 2019 #11
This is how civilizations collapse: drained by fighting a losing battle NickB79 Jun 2019 #12
Your concerns are shared; things that can keep one up at night. appalachiablue Jun 2019 #14
If the federal government would stop subsidizing flood insurance former9thward Jun 2019 #13
In the late 80s I knew people looking a summer places appalachiablue Jun 2019 #18
Build that wall! Build that . . . tclambert Jun 2019 #19
Raise the house and put it on stilts....then.... Xolodno Jun 2019 #21

NewDayOranges

(692 posts)
1. These seawall Don't protect us as much as they protect
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:37 AM
Jun 2019

the beachfront estates of the super-wealthy who benefit most from the tax cuts doled out by the Republican pols who also claim that Global Warming/Climate Change is a hoax!

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
2. What would the wall do?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:45 AM
Jun 2019


It may help property above the high tide line..but unless the wall is continuous, the water will surge around the open ends and still flood areas....

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
20. Worse than that. Florida has porous bedrock. The seawater can soak right through it under the wall.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:58 PM
Jun 2019

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
4. Seawalls are a damned brittle protection
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:01 AM
Jun 2019

We'd do much, much better bulldozing a bunch of suburbs and returning them to wetlands.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. "I will make Mexico pay for the seawalls." - Dirty Donny* (R)
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:06 AM
Jun 2019

"So that me and my republican cronies can continue to lie to the world about climate change." - Dirty Donny* (R)


* republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
6. I think this number is low
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:12 AM
Jun 2019

This might just be the public investments and not including all the individual private properties that need to be raised. Miami Beach has already started and they have a huge problem to overcome.

Bear in mind this is just to protect from the standard high tides that are getting higher. It can't even begin to address storm surge or other significant wave action.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
16. The situation and reality in Miami Bch makes me sad, I enjoyed
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:16 PM
Jun 2019

travelling there to see relatives in the area and to vacation for many years.

'Miami Vice' was one of the most fun things to come out of the 80s! Lol.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
7. Something to consider (from the Land Use course I teach at NYU...)
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:23 AM
Jun 2019

When you block the water in one location, it goes somewhere else.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
8. To see how much Trump would help, see how much he has helped Tangier Island like he promised.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:24 AM
Jun 2019

To see how much Trump would help, see how much he has helped Tangier Island like he promised.

Tangier Island Residents Don't Believe Seas Are Rising, But Want A Wall To Protect Them

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127121357

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
15. Interesting article, but the lack of science knowledge and
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jun 2019

their (conservative) hopes that government will help are sad and infuriating. We lived not far from Tangier in summer when I was a kid. The Chesapeake Bay area is wonderful.

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
9. Wouldn't it be cheaper to move?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:30 AM
Jun 2019

Wouldn’t it be cheaper to move?

Another thing: if we did build all those expensive sea walls, wouldn’t it be something that would have to be done again in a few decades at the most? If the sea levels are rising I don’t think they’re going to just rise to some point and then stop. Wouldn’t the rise be ongoing?

 
10. Of cource, had we acted when we were TOLD ABOUT IT decades ago.....
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:18 AM
Jun 2019

the cost to fix the problem would've been dramatically lower, but hey, the oil companies wanted more money added to the gazillions they already had, and Jimmy Idiot Inhofe had to earn his Cherokee name, Postures With Snowballs!

ROB-ROX

(767 posts)
11. PIPE DREAM
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:12 PM
Jun 2019

It would best to tell people to MOVE. Spend the money building HIGH buildings to house the people in apartments because a wall just ain't the solution. The coastal areas will be a new swamp. I am at the 400 foot elevation and I ain't worried about the people who live where they will be flooded. CHEERS

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
12. This is how civilizations collapse: drained by fighting a losing battle
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:40 PM
Jun 2019

If I live as long as my grandparents, I may get to watch the collapse of our once-great nation in 40 years time. I'll almost certainly get to see us devolve to a failed-nation status.

And my daughter is 30 years younger than me; she'll see so much shit in her life it chills me to the core.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
13. If the federal government would stop subsidizing flood insurance
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:02 PM
Jun 2019

the problem would take care of itself. And the government would end up ahead. No money to be spent on walls and no money spent on flood insurance. Without flood insurance people would not build next to the ocean. It is not a Constitutional right to live next to the ocean and people did not do it in previous decades when flood insurance was not available.

appalachiablue

(41,145 posts)
18. In the late 80s I knew people looking a summer places
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:37 PM
Jun 2019

in Fire Island but there was no way they could get insurance back then.

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