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brooklynite

(94,607 posts)
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:42 AM Apr 2019

Progressive leader confronts Pelosi aide over 'Medicare for All'

Source: Politico

Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chair Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) on Tuesday confronted a top aide to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, expressing frustration over his private dismissals of "Medicare for All" legislation.

Jayapal, a lead author of the plan, H.R. 1384, told Wendell Primus, who serves as Pelosi's senior health policy adviser, that she did not appreciate what she perceived as his efforts to undermine lawmakers’ bills. Jayapal pressed him to explain reports that he made disdainful remarks about the proposal in separate meetings with health policy researchers and insurance executives.

“I made it clear that I was not happy,” Jayapal said following a previously scheduled caucus meeting with Primus. “I think it’s really inappropriate for staff representing the Speaker’s office to be undercutting members of our caucus.”

The confrontation followed a POLITICO report that Primus called Medicare for All an unhelpful distraction during a Nov. 30 closed-door meeting with health policy groups, and left some attendees with the impression he wanted them to raise public concerns about the single-payer plan's risks and downsides.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/02/pramila-jayapal-medicare-for-all-1313658

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Progressive leader confronts Pelosi aide over 'Medicare for All' (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2019 OP
Lots of unsubstantiated things she's going on about: George II Apr 2019 #1
"Jayapal said following a previously scheduled caucus meeting with Primus". She did. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2019 #11
Maybe she should jus stop. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #20
Stop what? Confronting something that she's uncomfortable with or objects to? Why? KPN Apr 2019 #35
Please provide some substantive evidence for this conclusion on your part George. KPN Apr 2019 #34
"...he wanted them to raise public concerns about the single-payer plan's risks and downsides."... TreasonousBastard Apr 2019 #2
Yes, that's a lot different than "private dismissals". I wonder if she sat down with him... George II Apr 2019 #3
I guess it's hard to get sensational headlines and high-fives when one has... NurseJackie Apr 2019 #43
Asking health insurance executives to help put down an effort that might not be so favorable to KPN Apr 2019 #36
This is about whose interests they serve, and why they're not on the same page about those interests ancianita Apr 2019 #4
Yes, within the party, not by going to corporate interests outside the party. KPN Apr 2019 #37
"disdainful remarks about the proposal in separate meetings.. Maxheader Apr 2019 #5
Democrats should unite, watoos Apr 2019 #6
But many Democrats, myself included do not support this at all! GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #8
Who the hell wants to keep their employer-provided health insurance? Humanist_Activist Apr 2019 #10
I am over 50,000 fellow employees of my company have good affordable healthcare GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #12
"And since the ACA guarantees minimum benefits no one goes bankrupt due to healthcare." Humanist_Activist Apr 2019 #13
Wow! Thank you. Responses like yours is why I stay on DU! GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #14
So fix it. When you tell folks they lose work insurance, support drops to 17 %. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #19
I keep asking this question... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #31
Many folks including me. My insurance is cheaper than Medicare Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #16
Just out of curiosity.... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #30
Amen True Blue American Apr 2019 #26
That's an easy fix. marylandblue Apr 2019 #32
I agree Human_Activist. Corporate America will retain too much control over our lives unless we nix in2herbs Apr 2019 #33
We need to unite on health care improvements we can actually deliver. Pelosi has stated ooky Apr 2019 #9
I agree..... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #29
I agree. But the devil's in the details and would require a genuine interest in making KPN Apr 2019 #38
Nancy better get on board LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #7
Nancy is correct taking insurance away from folks is a big mistake and why Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #17
So you're saying that people prefer paying premiums with high deductibles and high cost of pharma Yavin4 Apr 2019 #22
I don't have that sort of insurance. And polls show the numbers drop to 17 % approval Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #23
No, what we mean is to fix the problems first True Blue American Apr 2019 #27
Hell we've been at this since Truman. We could do this tomorrow. Give me an f...ing break ! YOHABLO Apr 2019 #15
That is not true. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #18
Medicare for All should be the mantra for the Democratic party like tax cuts are for the Republicans Yavin4 Apr 2019 #21
No it shouldnt. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #24
Medicare for All is improving on the ACA, and enacting it sets up the Dems to win in 2020 and beyond Yavin4 Apr 2019 #25
Yes! True Blue American Apr 2019 #28
Yes, it SHOULD! LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #39
Lowering the age to 55 as a start would be a massive boom to Dems' electoral chances in 2020 Yavin4 Apr 2019 #40
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Apr 2019 #41
Even further, by not being BOLD in our proposals, Republicans smell weakness and won't cooperate. Yavin4 Apr 2019 #42

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. Lots of unsubstantiated things she's going on about:
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:49 AM
Apr 2019

"private dismissals"
"she perceived"
"explain reports"

Maybe she should privately confirm what happened before she goes public?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
11. "Jayapal said following a previously scheduled caucus meeting with Primus". She did.
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 03:29 AM
Apr 2019

She talked to him first, and then talked to the public. Why try and paint it as if she didn't?

KPN

(15,646 posts)
34. Please provide some substantive evidence for this conclusion on your part George.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 12:26 PM
Apr 2019

I'm sure you agree that glass houses and stone-throwing don't mix well.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. "...he wanted them to raise public concerns about the single-payer plan's risks and downsides."...
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 09:50 AM
Apr 2019

And why would this be a bad thing?

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. Yes, that's a lot different than "private dismissals". I wonder if she sat down with him...
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:03 AM
Apr 2019

...or Pelosi before this? Looks like she didn't.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
43. I guess it's hard to get sensational headlines and high-fives when one has...
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 05:15 PM
Apr 2019

... calm, private, mature "sit-down" discussions with party leadership. Why do I get the feeling that this is a stunt? It may not be, but that's the feeling I get.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
36. Asking health insurance executives to help put down an effort that might not be so favorable to
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 12:35 PM
Apr 2019

the health insurance industry? Really?

How about working with the bill's sponsors and supporters to find a solution that serves to mitigate risks and downsides within the party, the caucus, instead?

Geesh. And people wonder about Dems who are concerned about "corporatism", the "establishment", etc.

ancianita

(36,106 posts)
4. This is about whose interests they serve, and why they're not on the same page about those interests
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:50 AM
Apr 2019

They do need to sort this out.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
5. "disdainful remarks about the proposal in separate meetings..
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:58 AM
Apr 2019

with health policy researchers and insurance executives. "

Although I know all the players would need to work together on

'Medicare for All'

Have a hard time believing the insurance exe's would have their
heart in it...especially if they are representing all their buddies..

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
6. Democrats should unite,
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:12 AM
Apr 2019

and call it the public option. Give people the choice to keep their private insurance but other people can get on a Medicare-like plan.

It would be a foot in the door for single payer health care down the road.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
8. But many Democrats, myself included do not support this at all!
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 07:22 PM
Apr 2019

It is unworkable and unacheivable.

There are more practical ways to achieve Universal Healthcare, Which we all want. Any plan that threatens to change things for the 50% of Americans that get their healthcare from their employer is doomed to failure. That has to be our starting point.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
10. Who the hell wants to keep their employer-provided health insurance?
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 12:40 AM
Apr 2019

Seriously, that is one of the major problems with our health insurance system in the first place. I've known plenty of people who will not or cannot leave jobs due to the fact that they can't afford to lose their health insurance in the process, even for as little as 3 months. Hell, I'm one of them, and my health insurance through work sucks, but you know what sucks more? Not having health insurance. Oh, and don't get me started on COBRA either.

We need to separate health insurance from employment, period.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
12. I am over 50,000 fellow employees of my company have good affordable healthcare
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 08:41 PM
Apr 2019

Thru our employer. And since the ACA guarantees minimum benefits no one goes bankrupt due to healthcare. As you say. As long as they are employed.

If every company was required to provide good benefits to all workers, no part time shenanigans allowed, We progressively taxed the upper income to provide insurance coverage thru nonprofit companies approved by the government and supplemented those without employers based healthcare and gave total coverage to the poor, we would have a system like the one in France. Often considered the best in the world. Of course I simplified their system to the point of silliness. But my point is that one of the best healthcare systems in the world is not single payer and we could get there by expanding and changing the ACA, which is now popular. Much more feasible than thinking we can ever redo the entire system.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
13. "And since the ACA guarantees minimum benefits no one goes bankrupt due to healthcare."
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 10:27 PM
Apr 2019

That's not true, personal bankruptcies due to medical bills went down, but aren't down to zero.

https://www.consumerreports.org/personal-bankruptcy/how-the-aca-drove-down-personal-bankruptcy/

"If every company was required to provide good benefits to all workers, no part time shenanigans allowed..." Can I just stop you right there?

I worked for a PBM(Pharmacy Benefit Manager) for 9 years, straddling both the years before the ACA was enacted, and the years after it was enacted. Let me tell you a few things, first, not much changed benefit wise outside of some coverage requirements(covering children till 26 instead of 18, etc.) Outside of that, the usual shenanigans occurred, hugely overpriced copays for drugs is normal particularly when you have access to the real pricing tables breaking down each cost between the patient, what the drug costs(uninsured) and what the group benefit pays. Americans are getting reamed on drug prices.

We managed hundreds of plans, and these were upper tier plans, for Unions and Employers, and they still sucked sometimes. Especially for certain unions like IBEW, Pipefitters, and Ironworkers, the workers find they they were short a few hours that month, so their insurance gets completely cut off for the next month, until hours pick up again, etc. And the cycle along with the loud, expletive laden complaints continue.

The problem with your comparison is that these United States are a bunch of States, and some of them, such as Missouri, have deemed that the poor should die of preventable illnesses. They sued and continue to sue to get ACA and/or provisions of it overturned. Do you honestly think they would vote to regulate benefits businesses provide? France has departments but its national government takes precedence to such an extent that you can have on par regulations and benefits regardless of whether you live in Paris or in Marseilles. You cannot say the same of the United States. Our Medicaid program by itself is a bloody basket case. I'm a childless man, I can't get on Medicare here in Missouri even if I was homeless with less than 50 cents in my pocket.

We are a country of 50+ petty little fiefdoms and only some of them act responsibly towards the majority of citizens within their borders.

One of the biggest reforms that would be necessary would be to have a public option that picks up where employer provided plans fall short, for example, if your hours are cut, or business slows down. But that sounds to me like single payer with extra steps. I also don't understand the usefulness of having handing tax-payer money to private non-profits to manage health insurance. That's just adding costs into the system for unnecessary middle-men.

Our current system of employer provided health insurance is on life support anyways, the largest private employers in the country have hardly any full time employees anymore. Most service jobs are part-time, or they have hour requirements that most employees can never meet on a consistent enough basis, so they work "full time" but not really, if you catch my drift. The ACA did help provide a floor for coverage, so people can get treated, sometimes, and I agree it needs to be strengthened. The Pre-existing condition clause is extremely important. How are you going to change employment practices in the United States, France is much more labor friendly, and still has difficulties sometimes.

See, I view attempting to changed how we do employment benefits in the US to be far less realistic than expanding and improving Medicare, which is a very popular program. My fiancee is on it, and if she wasn't she would be dead by now, she has several chronic conditions, and wouldn't have gotten coverage through any private carrier due to them. Hell, she uses a Medicare Advantage plan, and we are beginning to not see the advantage of it and may end up going to straight Medicare again. They are just an insidious privatization scheme anyways.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
14. Wow! Thank you. Responses like yours is why I stay on DU!
Sun Apr 7, 2019, 11:09 PM
Apr 2019

You make many great points.

I probably should not respond now. I spent all day on the gulf fishing, cleaned the boat and fish, and am on my second bourbon! So forgive me if I ramble.

I think the most pertinent point you make is the current Supreme Courts love of Federalism. Neither of the programs we favor would pass muster with this current court. If the state does not want to participate they cant be forced into it. They have said a rule that changes Medicaid has to be agreed by the state, and I would expect they would say the same about Medicare. Hopefully I am wrong.

Everyone knows, Republican and Democratic alike that the drive to part time hours is being done to prevent paying medical benefits. Politically, I think the most achievable law would be to tell companies if you hire them you pay their medical benefits. And then set minimum standards. If this were done the part-time hires would be eliminated. Because it has been established the federal government can set minimum wage rules I think this might passed muster.

And I think that politically, giving Americans a choice of different nonprofit plans is much more acceptable to our national psyche then saying the government will run it. And the French example proves that it works well.

The sad fact remains, until we stop spending $1 trillion a year on defense, or the military industrial complex, whatever you want to call it, we will not have the money to do what either of us want to do.

The second bourbon is hitting, so I’m going to stop now. I would love to pick this up tomorrow.

Thank you for your insightful, thoughtful, and non-insulting response.







 

doompatrol39

(428 posts)
31. I keep asking this question...
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:45 AM
Apr 2019

..how much have you needed to use your healthcare?

Because I always thought the same thing about the great, affordable insurance offered by mine and my wife's corporate employers.

Until we had a sick child and had to spend what little time we had where we weren't taking care of him, arguing with the insurance company over what they would or wouldn't cover, or talking to lawyers about filing claims against them or whatever else.

Then again recently when my wife came down with cancer.

It always makes me wonder how many of these people who actually say they like their employer provided healthcare have actually had to file major claims with them wherein they actually are required to pay out what they are being paid to pay out for.

I don't doubt that some have and may have good insurance but in my personal experience most of the people I know personally who are happy with their personal insurance don't actually use it for much at all.

 

doompatrol39

(428 posts)
30. Just out of curiosity....
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:41 AM
Apr 2019

...and I don't mean this to be confrontational or accusatory at all, but a genuine question: How much have you actually needed to use your insurance?

I always thought the same thing about my work insurance, until my family actually needed it. My son was born with a laundry list of medical issues, spent months at a time in the hospital, needed nursing, etc. and once we actually started having those claims filed I realized just how little I got from my "cheap" insurance provided by my big corporate employer.

And more recently my wife is battling cancer, and the same thing.

The only thing worse than dealing with a sick family member is to add to that pain by having to have time spent arguing with insurance companies on the phone every day while trying to care for that sick family member.

And again, my wife and I have worked at higher level jobs for major corporations and this is still the case.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
32. That's an easy fix.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:49 AM
Apr 2019

One way would be to require your employer to continue paying your premiums while on COBRA. Another way is to automatically enroll you in the public option the day you leave your job.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
33. I agree Human_Activist. Corporate America will retain too much control over our lives unless we nix
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 12:18 PM
Apr 2019

employer-provided heath insurance. I am shocked that progressives on this site can't understand this.

ooky

(8,924 posts)
9. We need to unite on health care improvements we can actually deliver. Pelosi has stated
Thu Apr 4, 2019, 12:29 AM
Apr 2019

the right approach of fixing what is wrong with the ACA, and democrats need to unite behind it in the lead up to the 2020 election.

 

doompatrol39

(428 posts)
29. I agree.....
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:38 AM
Apr 2019

I take "Medicare for all" to mean everyone at the minimum gets Medicare. There should be supplemental plans just like people have that will cover the rest or provide for advanced care beyond what Medicare provides.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
38. I agree. But the devil's in the details and would require a genuine interest in making
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 12:40 PM
Apr 2019

the public option successful AND affordable!

Don't we have enough people setting booby-traps on the GOP side of the aisle already? We don't need Dem staffers (or elected) undermining progressive proposals by going outside the party.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
7. Nancy better get on board
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 02:45 PM
Apr 2019

And the rest of the senior Democrats, with Medicare for All.

For one, it is a popular position. Two, she could just take a page out of the Republican playbook, and at least feign interest in it. At least speak positively for the general concept in public. And then she can drag her foot behind the scenes and worry about any big industry donors she has and privately assure them that she will do what she can to stall it.

Because any kind of single payer would still be years away, and IF it ever happens will require a lot of political capital. But to get that capital you have to start now to make it a part of the lexicon. To make Medicare-for-All a household name. Just as Trump has normalized so many awful things on the right, we can too normalize the concept of single payer by talking about it and, even if some have to pretend, at least act like you believe in it.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
17. Nancy is correct taking insurance away from folks is a big mistake and why
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:15 AM
Apr 2019

We don't have Hilarycare. In case you didn't notice the Gop is already using this.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
22. So you're saying that people prefer paying premiums with high deductibles and high cost of pharma
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:36 AM
Apr 2019

over a single payer system with little to no deductibles? Is that what you're saying?

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
23. I don't have that sort of insurance. And polls show the numbers drop to 17 % approval
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:53 AM
Apr 2019

When workplace insurance is ended with any Medicare program. Insure those that need it. We also have jobs in the insurance industry. Medicare for all is never going to work.We will get universal coverage however. Let's start with a public option.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
21. Medicare for All should be the mantra for the Democratic party like tax cuts are for the Republicans
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:33 AM
Apr 2019

Healthcare is a human right. To tie it to your utility to a corporation is barbaric.

Demsrule86

(68,599 posts)
24. No it shouldnt.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:56 AM
Apr 2019

The ACA needs to be improved with cost controls and other improvements like a public option. Can we try winning in 20?

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
25. Medicare for All is improving on the ACA, and enacting it sets up the Dems to win in 2020 and beyond
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:26 AM
Apr 2019

Dems did well in the 2018 mid terms largely because of the Medicaid expansion and the regulation against using pre-existing conditions to deny coverage.

Healthcare is a potent political tool that the Democrats could use to their advantage for years to come.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
39. Yes, it SHOULD!
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 02:44 PM
Apr 2019

Can the first steps be expanding the Medicare already there?, moving the age down incrementally? Introduce the Public Option? sure.

But what Democrats still, inexplicably, have no clue about compared to Republicans, is marketing. "Death Panels!" worked pretty good for them. Its like they just look to what describes their position, and unabashedly assign it to Democrats. As Death Panels would much more relate to private insurers panels of broker execs trying to find a way to deny you coverage, and save them money. Whereas a public system would not have that step. Yet it worked, from repeating the Big Lie. Marketing.

It would work just as good, or better, using The Big Truth. ie...cheaper, and covers everyone from cradle to grave, no matter where you live in the country, or your financial position, or the seriousness of your illness. For business, American companies would finally have a fairer chance at international bids when competing with corps from other countries where workers pay their own healthcare insurance through their taxes and not have to be paid for by the company. (For the basic coverage)

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
40. Lowering the age to 55 as a start would be a massive boom to Dems' electoral chances in 2020
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 03:12 PM
Apr 2019

Think about the millions of families that have parents who are in their mid-50s. Think how this would benefit them. It would be a huge winning strategy for the Democrats.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
41. +1000
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 03:41 PM
Apr 2019

I don't know why Democrats have not understood that simple messages work best on the citizenry. "Build the Wall!" "Make America Great Again!", "Republicans are the party of Health Care!", "No new taxes!" It makes no difference if we know that they know, and they know we know they know...that that ain't going to get done any time soon. Its about stoking the imagination. In Trump's case it about stoking the imagination of racists, and bigots, and also billionaires, the most vile greedy of them anyways.

No reason why we can't give the people hope. Stoke good peoples imaginations. Something to strive for. Put it out there and stop the dampening down of the idea. If you have to then PRETEND it is possible. It is about normalizing the concept be repeating it. It is so damaging and stalling it ever arriving, if the only party that could or would ever initiate universal coverage, is infighting about it.

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
42. Even further, by not being BOLD in our proposals, Republicans smell weakness and won't cooperate.
Mon Apr 8, 2019, 05:11 PM
Apr 2019

Pushing Medicare for all may land us on some kind of public option in the end, but if you start with the public option, then the Republicans fear that you're not serious at all.

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