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oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 07:22 AM Apr 2019

Venezuelans set up burning barricades over lack of power, water

Source: ThomsonReuters

CARACAS, March 31 (Reuters) - Angry Venezuelans set up burning barricades near the presidential palace in Caracas and in other parts of the country on Sunday in protests over constant power outages and shortages of drinking water in the wake of two major blackouts this month.

The situation has fueled frustration with the government of President Nicolas Maduro and frayed nerves as schools and much of the nation's commerce have been interrupted by problems with public services for nearly three weeks.

Protesters, some carrying rocks and their faces covered, burned tires and tree trunks along a stretch of downtown Caracas as they demanded Maduro improve the situation.

"We're here fighting for water and power, we've gone twenty-some days without water," said Yofre Gamez, 32, an informal vendor. "They put the power on for two hours, then turn it off at night, it comes on the next day for half an hour and then it goes off again - we're tired of this."

Read more: http://news.trust.org/item/20190331222830-ln1r5



Sorry this isnt an April Fools joke, this is all too real for these poor folks.
Maduro MUST go, one way or another.
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Venezuelans set up burning barricades over lack of power, water (Original Post) oldsoftie Apr 2019 OP
History tells us what will happen: DetlefK Apr 2019 #1
Thats a pretty good outline. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #2
"A minor protest about a minor incident..."???? Are you kidding! Perseus Apr 2019 #3
By the way, about electricity & water Perseus Apr 2019 #4
Once the conditions are bad enough, any match will do to light a fire. DetlefK Apr 2019 #5
"Once the conditions are bad enough" Perseus Apr 2019 #7
So where are the Russian troops stationed there? Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #6
Yes, most people with a brain believe it would be better under Guaido. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #8
Most people who love Traitor Trump think it would be better under Guaido Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #10
Wait. Are you saying you are against economic growth in Venezuela? DetlefK Apr 2019 #11
Yeah cause nothing says economic growth like a rampaging capitalist scam. Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #13
Its amazing that one can support Maduro & his robbery of the country. Trump has zero to do with it. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #14
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #9
The burning barricades are one step away from torches and pitchforks ripcord Apr 2019 #12
You're probably right. I just hope they have a plan & the ability to organize. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #15
Yet we still have Maduro supporters here. Cause, hey, he calls himself a socialist! GulfCoast66 Apr 2019 #16
Yeah and because, hey, Traitor Trump thinks Guaido is just nifty Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #19
As conscientious people know, people who do follow events, "burning barricades" started long ago, Judi Lynn Apr 2019 #17
So we'll mark you down as a supporter of the crime, killing & starvation of Maduro's policies. OK. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #18
Thanks for posting the facts Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #20
It seems to be a common problem, doesn't it? Too many people never bother to search for the truth. Judi Lynn Apr 2019 #21
Yes Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #22

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. History tells us what will happen:
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 07:53 AM
Apr 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution

1. A minor protest about a minor incident will spiral out of control into nationwide protests for change.

2. The ruler will hold a speech to calm the populace. The populace doesn't want to hear the same promises and the same scapegoating again. The populace will realize that the ruler is clearly incapable of solving the BIG problem. There will be violent riots.

3. The ruler and his lackies will realize that the violent riots won't die down.

4. There will be fighting in the streets. People will die.

5. The military will refuse to get involved. The lackies will leave the ruler one by one. Eventually all alone, the ruler will step down.

6. An interim-government will be formed.




This does not account for the presence of russian mercenaries in Venezuela.

This does not take into account how Venezuela will be able to apply for loans when their gold has been moved to Russia.

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
2. Thats a pretty good outline.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:38 AM
Apr 2019

Most importantly, when the military no longer backs the dictator. And the high level leaders flee the country with their gold before the axes fall

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
3. "A minor protest about a minor incident..."???? Are you kidding!
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 09:09 AM
Apr 2019

"Minor incident"?

What "minor incident" are you referring to? Let's see.
1. No electricity for at least three days, what little food people have decomposes.
2. No food, supermarkets, food stores are empty
3. Kidnappings, crimes, killings rampant
4. The kleptocracy has taken enormous funds from the country
4.1 Infrastructure in shambles
4.2 Oil industry, which is main source of income also in shumbles and whatever little money comes in the kleptocracy pockets it.
5. The brain power of the country has left
6. No medicines, people dying because they cannot buy medicines and hospitals cannot provide them.
If you have to go to a hospital:
6.1 You have to take your own towels, sheets, pillow
6.2 Your family has to take you food, if they can buy it.
7. People are eating from the garbage.
8. Young people being tortured.
etc. etc.

Now, tell me which one of those is a "minor incident"?

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
4. By the way, about electricity & water
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 09:11 AM
Apr 2019

Its off for three days, then comes back for one day, off again for 1 to 3, or more days again. The same with the water...

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. Once the conditions are bad enough, any match will do to light a fire.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 09:15 AM
Apr 2019

Do you know how the revolution to topple the socialist dictator of Romania began?

A pastor in a shit-tiny village in the middle of nowhere had criticized the regime. For that he was to be sent to another parish and the villagers wanted him to stay.



That's all it took. The eviction of a nobody.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
7. "Once the conditions are bad enough"
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:07 AM
Apr 2019

You have not been following the situation in Venezuela, the conditions have been horrendous for more than ten (10) years, since Chavez was elected things went downhill. The government fired the competent people who managed the oil industry to place their incompetent people in place so that they could start squeezing the money and diverting it to their bank accounts, Chavez and the regime started appropriating industries to take the money, dismantle, sell the assets and pocket it. The Chavez family went from living in a one bedroom house to an enormous compound, Chavez daughters are valued at over a billion $$$ each...From rags to riches doing nothing...pretty good ahh?

Did you read my post? that is only a partial list of what is going on, and to top it, Russians have arrived in Venezuela, the bravado from the orange buffoon and Pence threatening Maduro has somehow gone to total silence, not even Marco Rubio is saying anything anymore, it has to be because their daddy Putin has ordered them to shut up and back off.

Conditions could not be worst, read my post above.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
6. So where are the Russian troops stationed there?
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 09:55 AM
Apr 2019

And does anyone really believe the Trump humping Guaido is going to make everything all better?

Let's get him a red MAGA hat and a picture of Pence patting him on the back. I wonder if Traitor Trump kept his hands off his wife?

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
8. Yes, most people with a brain believe it would be better under Guaido.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:09 AM
Apr 2019

Far fewer govt sanctioned murders. Far fewer people starving to death. Far fewer businesses closing up and leaving. Far fewer citizens leaving for other countries.
At least people would be able to accept aid from the rest of the world. The civilized world, that is. Maybe even finally get toilet paper!

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
10. Most people who love Traitor Trump think it would be better under Guaido
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:18 AM
Apr 2019

The only truth in that jumbled paragraph above is: Far fewer businesses closing up and leaving.

That is what Guaido and Trump are all about. They are going to use the people for their own personal profit. It's what the right wing always does.

But you keep trusting Trump. I'm sure eventually he'll do something of value for society....any society.

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
14. Its amazing that one can support Maduro & his robbery of the country. Trump has zero to do with it.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 03:55 PM
Apr 2019

Pres Obama also tried to get help to the innocent people of Venezuela.
If you couldnt grasp the facts that i stated, that says more about you than it does me.
Of course, this is the internet, so theres no telling where you actually ARE either.

Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #6)

ripcord

(5,409 posts)
12. The burning barricades are one step away from torches and pitchforks
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:03 AM
Apr 2019

Soon the villagers will the storming the castle to deal with the monster.

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
15. You're probably right. I just hope they have a plan & the ability to organize.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 04:00 PM
Apr 2019

Along with weapons.
If the military stands down, Maduro is finished. He's finished anyway, its just a matter of how long and how many more will die because of him. And how broken he leaves the country.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
16. Yet we still have Maduro supporters here. Cause, hey, he calls himself a socialist!
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:26 PM
Apr 2019

Just like we can still get supporters of the Cuban regime here. Free elections and speech be damned.

Had the US not, in a fit of pique, put sanctions on Cuba, that regime would have fallen when the Soviets did.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
19. Yeah and because, hey, Traitor Trump thinks Guaido is just nifty
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 08:14 AM
Apr 2019

And Guaido thinks Traitor Trump is so very, very helpful. And did the orange buffoon in the white house try to grab Guaido's wife's you know what? Does the nude first lady know about it or even care?

Because nothing says I stand with and condone the serial molester than sending your wife out to...stand next to the serial molester.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
17. As conscientious people know, people who do follow events, "burning barricades" started long ago,
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:46 PM
Apr 2019

were being used continually against Hugo Chavez Frias from the very first. Were THEY "protesting" the lack of power and food? Were they?

To anyone who is unfamiliar with what "burning barricades" are, and how they got started, just start any search whenever you're ready, to find out about "guarimbas", which have been initiated and implemented by the opposition of Hugo Chavez, so long ago, and have continued, at great price to human life every year since Hugo Chavez was inaugurated in February, 1999.

Information:

Venezuela and the myth of a “Democratic Non-violent” Opposition
Go to the profile of Nino Brown
Nino Brown
Aug 3, 2017
The Myth of a “Democratic Non Violent” Opposition

The South American nation of Venezuela finds itself again in the throes of imperialist intervention and domestic counter revolution. Since the onset of the process called the “Bolivarian Revolution” the country has been rife with turmoil and calamities. If one bases their analysis of the country on what is presented in the mainstream corporate media, then one would be led to believe that recent events in Venezuela are marked by the struggle against an “authoritarian” or “totalitarian” dictatorship by a democratic and non-violent opposition. Even some who consider themselves “Leftist” or even “Marxists” have joined in on the chorus of slander and disinformation. However, when we peel back the thick layers of imperialist propaganda and shrill cries of counter revolutionaries domestic and exiled, the reality is much more complex.

The Bolivarian Revolution has always been an enemy to the rich and wealthy elites in the U.S. and in Venezuela. For the first time in modern Venezuelan history, Afro and Indigenous populations were empowered to change their society from the grassroots with the backing of the state. An anathema to the domestic reactionaries, the process is often described as one of a surging of “hordes” of lower class Black and Brown people by the Venezuelan elite based opposition.

. . .

What the opposition is doing and has done is very crafty. They lure the state’s forces with property damage, terrorist attacks, setting up barricades (guarimbas) and then when they get repressed they cry wolf sending images across the world claiming this is the work of a tyrannical government. We should reject this knee jerk notion that just because one is protesting that the cause is sanctified or that just because one is getting repressed that it is unjust. There are class characters to protests, repression, and even media. The world is politicized and to arm oneself, one must have a political compass that can guide one through the morass of bourgeois lies, slander, hypocrisy, and disinformation. Without one, we end up supporting enemies of the people masked as “democrats” and “Nelson Mandelas.”


Malcolm X once said “the media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty inncoent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses. If you’re not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”


More:
https://medium.com/@newafrikan.nino/venezuela-and-the-myth-of-a-democratic-non-violent-opposition-bf7f23219092

~ ~ ~

Does anyone remember when the opposition (oligarchs) brought in paid Colombian paramilitaries from Colombia, and housed them on a ranch outside Caracas in a scheme to have them violently overthrow Hugo Chavez? The ranch, named "Daktari" was owned by Cuban-Venezuelan-American, Roberto Alonso. He has been considered the "father of the Guarimba", worked for the CIA for some time in his life, has fled to Miami with his family after he took part in this plot. His sister is actress María Conchita Alonso. That happened in 2004, which shows you how very long the oligarchy has been hiring street thugs, or allowing their own nasty spawn to participate in these barbaric, vicious violent protests always directed at harming the leftist leader in power, no one else.

They are NOT the "Venezuelan people."

~ ~ ~

Colombian paramilitaries arrested in Venezuela
Jeremy Lennard and agencies
Mon 10 May 2004 07.20 EDT

Venezuelan police have arrested more than 70 Colombian paramilitary fighters who were allegedly plotting to strike against the government in Caracas, according to the country's president, Hugo Chávez.
Opposition leaders, however, were quick to dismiss the president's claim, calling the raids on a farm less than 10 miles from the capital a ruse to divert attention from their efforts to oust Mr Chávez in a recall vote.

During his weekly radio and TV broadcast, Hello Mr President, Mr Chávez said that 53 paramilitary fighters were arrested at the farm early on Sunday and another 24 were picked up after fleeing into the countryside.

The country's security forces were uncovering additional clues and searching for more suspects, he said, adding that the arrests were proof of a conspiracy against his government involving Cuban and Venezuelan exiles in Florida and neighbouring Colombia.

Mr Chávez also claimed the plot was backed by Venezuela's mostly pro-opposition news media and said that the raids had "eliminated the seed of a terrorist group".

"Now they are importing terrorists," Mr Chávez said of his opponents, adding that the farm - in the municipality of El Hatillo - was owned by Roberto Alonso, a Cuban exile with links to Venezuelan and Cuban exiles.

More:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/10/venezuela.jeremylennard

oldsoftie

(12,555 posts)
18. So we'll mark you down as a supporter of the crime, killing & starvation of Maduro's policies. OK.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:06 AM
Apr 2019

You left out "Its the Americans fault"

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
20. Thanks for posting the facts
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 08:20 AM
Apr 2019

Even some of the most well intentioned liberals sometimes fall for the constant propaganda spewed by corprate interests about Venezuela. Hell many of them fell for the Russian propaganda against Hillary too. And no one seems to be putting out a counter argument on the mass media.

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
21. It seems to be a common problem, doesn't it? Too many people never bother to search for the truth.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 08:11 PM
Apr 2019

They assume they're going to get it from corporate media, and have never been moved to question anything, or try to hold what they've heard up to reason, and thought about it beyond the surface. As a result, they remain in the dark, like mushrooms.

Thank you, Farmer-Rick.

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