New Zealand outlines strict new gun controls

[nitpicker]

Source: DW

Date 01.04.2019

The owners of most semi-automatic weapons in New Zealand will be required to surrender their weapons by September, according to details published on Monday.
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· There would be an amnesty for unlawful items to be handed in by the end of September this year, with a buyback scheme costing up to 200 million New Zealand dollars ($136 million, 135 million euros).
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The changes will come into effect by April 12, less than four weeks after the attack by a suspected white supremacist, who opened fire on worshippers in two mosques.
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Read more: https://www.dw.com/en/new-zealand-outlines-strict-new-gun-controls/a-48143616

[Voltaire2]

1. It must be nice to have a government that works.

[ansible]

2. By raising taxes to pay for this?

[catbyte]

5. And that's a bad thing because?

[yaesu]

6. After we gave a several trillion dollar tax break to the uber rich?

& got nothing in return? Raising taxes to save lives is progressive but I'm sure fox news & putins NRA would be crying about it.

[obamanut2012]

7. Yup, that is a good thing

Those with should be expected to carry their fair share.

[Merlot]

13. Where does it say they're raising taxes?

Did I miss something?

[Voltaire2]

24. Yes that too!

Not only is their government willing and able to act decisively as the people’s representatives, they are also not ensnared in neoliberal ideological horseshit.

Truly a breath of fresh air.

[cstanleytech]

25. The article does not mention the source of the funding so it could simply be money

from a discretionary fund for unexpected expenses.
Even if they do have to raise taxes though why do you think that is evil? Tax hikes to pay for things like roads and police and fire departments are things that we should be supporting right?

[hack89]

3. If the American people wanted this then we would have it too

But there is no broad and deep public support for such laws. So our government does work.

[yaesu]

8. The vast majority of Americans want this

its just that under a capitalistic plutocracy the vast majority doesn't have the last word, Putin's NRA & the brainless gunporn nuts do.

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/assault-weapons-ban-poll-gun-reform-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

[hack89]

10. Yes and no

Support for AWBs fluctuates between 50-60% historically. But it is never a top concern- there are few single issue voters on gun control so politicians usually can ignore it with little concern.

A big issue is how that support is distributed. It is concentrated in a few large blue states. There are many less populated red/purple states that oppose it. Yet each of those states has two senators like every other state. Which is why gun control dies in the Senate every time - even when the Dems are in control.

There are only 7 states that have passed AWBs - that is a good indicator of how little real support for AWBs there is.

[LanternWaste]

15. Deft movement of your goalposts...

That's the way.

And maybe put 'post hoc ergo prompter hoc' on a t-shirt. White letters on red looks nice.

[hack89]

19. It what way?

Care to amplify your comments or is this another one of your throw away drive byes?

[Pope George Ringo II]

26. My experience has been that there are single-issue voters on the subject.

They're usually NRA members, so their existence doesn't exactly argue against your logic though...

[hack89]

27. That is the NRA's power in a nutshell

They can get voters to the polls. Until the gun control movement can do the same they will continue to struggle.

[appal_jack]

9. We have a Second Amendment that should protect much more than just semi-autos

If one is going to point out the failures of government in the USA, the problem is much more that we ignore our Bill of Rights too often.

Speech and assembly to protest are more restricted here than should be allowed by the First Amendment.

That the government conducts any warrantless searches at all is arguably unconstitutional according to the Fourth Amendment.

And nothing in the Second Amendment explicitly permits the infringements of the 1934 National Firearms Act or 1968 Gun Control Act, never mind new, hypothetical bans on semi-automatic firearms.

-app

[Farmer-Rick]

11. Yup the 2nd amendment specifically allows for regulation.

The whole sentence starts with regulating. "A well regulated Militia," Regulated is the 3rd word and bear Arms doesn't even come in until the 22nd, 23rd words.

How can you have a well regulated Militia if you have NO regulations on Arms?

The NRA and current crop of corrupted judges have always misrepresented and misinterpreted that sentence. But that is what capitalism does. It corrupts and distorts in order to allow for buying and selling of more and more crap. Because there is lots and lots of money to be made from free floating easy to buy weapons, despite the ever increasing death toll.

[nitpicker]

22. Let's take a look at history

For one example:

http://www.wvculture.org/history/archives/indians/indland.html

My personal opinion on the 2nd amendment:

Given the history (up through the American Revolution and beyond) of some "fringe" Native Americans assaulting European settlers, some frontier tax/census districts were actually organized as "Capt Penny's company", "Capt Davis's company", etc.

I think the amendment was meant to address the perceived need for settlers to be able to organize to defend themselves, whether planned in advance or as needed, as the US Army had been largely disbanded after the American Revolution and was not ready to "ride to the rescue" at that time.

And of course, "one-on-one" "defense" against "the red man".

In the 21st century, we (generally) have other resources to call on, versus trying to take out the bad folks yourself (and possibly risking others).

[Farmer-Rick]

23. Interesting history

It amazes me how from about the 1500s to the late 1700s, the white settlers were constantly in one war after another. If they weren't fighting off American Natives they were massacring other settlers from France, Spain and of course eventually England and their German mercenaries. No wonder they wrote about militias in the constitution.

[MarcA]

28. And one that isn't bound by Structural and Dynamic Inertia. n/t

[Botany]

4. "The changes will come into effect by April 12, less than four weeks after the attack ... "

And after John Lennon, Reagan, Sandy Hook, Columbine, and so the GOP and the NRA
made it easier to get guns, ammo, high capacity magazines, assault rifles, and bump
stocks. To which Alex Jones, Fox News, Glen Beck, Russia, and right wing neo nazis
added gas to the fire.

Both Australia & New Zealand did something and here we have an insane con man talking
about a wall that will not do anything to stop the bloodshed from guns.

[0rganism]

12. the 2017 Las Vegas shooting

58 dead. 851 injured.
if we had an ounce of sense as a society, this would have been a wake-up call akin to having a semi horn as the alarm on your alarm clock.

in case anyone forgot, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
tl;dr: we do not have an ounce of sense, but maybe 1/2 ounce
from the "Aftermath:Gun Control discussion" section:
"Firearms retailers reported increased consumer interest in bump stocks." - at least we got a federal bump stock ban
"Stock prices of firearms manufacturers rose the day after the shooting, as has happened after similar incidents." - at least this time "firearm sales did not increase after the shooting." how novel! but how disappointing for firearms manufacturers, how ever will they survive? clearly they need more vigorous lobbying and omnipresent propaganda to support post-massacre sales.

idiots rule here.

[Brother Buzz]

14. And New Zealand's NRA is cool with it

Heck, N.R.A. N.Z. is even considering changing their name to avoid being associated with the American group.

N.R.A. N.Z. is all about promoting target shooting and gun safety, which is ironically what America's NRA used to be about.

[IronLionZion]

20. US NRA are agents of the gun industry

Extremists threw out the sportsmen and gun safety advocates decades ago.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. Why are you linking to the video which has been banned

here and a number of other places?

[sarisataka]

18. .

Welcome to DU

[IronLionZion]

21. USA outlines strict new thoughts and prayers

lest you ever forget why we are the greatest country in the world, there are reminders every day