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Judi Lynn

(160,587 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:13 AM Feb 2019

Wife of White House communications chief goes on anti-vaccine tirade

Source: Guardian


Former TV producer Darla Shine spreads conspiracy theories about measles outbreak on Twitter

Sabrina Siddiqui in Washington
@SabrinaSiddiqui

Wed 13 Feb 2019 21.31 EST First published on Wed 13 Feb 2019 19.53 EST

The wife of White House communications director Bill Shine on Wednesday went on an anti-vaccine tirade while spreading conspiracy theories about an outbreak of measles in the Pacific north-west.

In a series of tweets, Darla Shine lashed out against a CNN segment detailing the outbreak, which has seen more than 50 unvaccinated people contract measles in Washington state and Oregon.

“Here we go LOL #measlesoutbreak on #CNN #Fake #Hysteria,” Darla Shine tweeted. “The entire Baby Boom population alive today had the #Measles as kids … Bring back our #ChildhoodDiseases they keep you healthy & fight cancer.”

“I had the #Measles #Mumps #ChickenPox as a child and so did every kid I knew,” she went on to claim, adding: “Sadly my kids had #MMR so they will never have the life long natural immunity I have. Come breathe on me!”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/13/darla-shine-vaccines-anti-vaxxer-measles

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Wife of White House communications chief goes on anti-vaccine tirade (Original Post) Judi Lynn Feb 2019 OP
Measles killed around 450 Americans a year back in those good old days. Eugene Feb 2019 #1
Oh... She's said both crazy and racist things in the past.... Full on nutty as squirrel shit! Stand and Fight Feb 2019 #6
And If Your Un-vaccinated Kid Gives My Kid Measles And My Kid Dies Then It's Just Too Bad Huh? RAAD2 Feb 2019 #2
Oh, dear. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #3
Oh, the stupid, it burns. GoneOffShore Feb 2019 #4
She's thoroughly disgusting... And a racist. Go figure! Link below: Stand and Fight Feb 2019 #5
Vile trash dalton99a Feb 2019 #16
I know there is so much going on Dorian Gray Feb 2019 #7
+1 area51 Feb 2019 #28
I guess she's Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #8
What an despicable woman. gademocrat7 Feb 2019 #9
she needs to stfu...why doesnt she go to a country infected with Ebola and let them breath on her.. samnsara Feb 2019 #10
There was no cancer when we had those lovely childhood diseases? underpants Feb 2019 #11
And everybody wants shingles when they are over 50. Right? n/t CousinIT Feb 2019 #12
Too bad all the anti-vaccine ppl can't go live on a big island somewhere Bigredhunk Feb 2019 #13
I would like to explain to that very ignorant woman, TNNurse Feb 2019 #14
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #20
... demmiblue Feb 2019 #21
Tell it! Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #27
Need less emotion (from both sides) and more rational thinking. McCamy Taylor Feb 2019 #15
Both sides? Like at Charlottesville? GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #17
There is so much wrong in your message I don't know where to begin csziggy Feb 2019 #18
I am borderline legally blind due to German Measles. My friends son is deaf because of measles. lark Feb 2019 #19
+1,000 nt okaawhatever Feb 2019 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Feb 2019 #22
I was born in 1954, Staph Feb 2019 #23
Well, she's now liable for any deaths due to her stupidity sakabatou Feb 2019 #24
Wtf ProfessorPlum Feb 2019 #25
Can we eliminate "lashed out" please, just side note n/t hibbing Feb 2019 #26
Why? FiveGoodMen Feb 2019 #30

Eugene

(61,919 posts)
1. Measles killed around 450 Americans a year back in those good old days.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:21 AM
Feb 2019

This is a whole new dimension of crazy.

 

RAAD2

(95 posts)
2. And If Your Un-vaccinated Kid Gives My Kid Measles And My Kid Dies Then It's Just Too Bad Huh?
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:23 AM
Feb 2019

Scum.

Psycho scum.

Measles kills and if it wasn't for whack jobs like Mrs. Shine, it would be completely gone.

Put her in a straight jacket in a rubber room where she belongs.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,868 posts)
3. Oh, dear.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 03:56 AM
Feb 2019

Let's point out to her that getting smallpox likewise confers lifelong immunity to those who survive. And of course most of the survivors are badly scarred, but that's not important, is it? So let's bring back smallpox.

A side note: scarring from smallpox was so very common, that anyone who wasn't thusly scarred was automatically considered very, very attractive/beautiful/handsome. I'm someone of happily average looks. Put me back 200 years and I'd be uncommonly beautiful. Not sure I want to trade off no smallpox for that.

Dorian Gray

(13,497 posts)
7. I know there is so much going on
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:03 AM
Feb 2019

to be angry about involving the White House, but reading about this yesterday, I felt RAGE.

I think what triggered that reaction was the absolute idiocy surrounding her arguments and knowing that no matter what scientific evidence you shared, she wouldn't HEAR or LISTEN.

And it's that way with all the anti-vaxxers.

Yes, there are some people who can't be vaccinated. Talking to your doctor about that is important.

BUT, for Christ's sake, she's arguing for something that could KILL children. So I'm enraged.

area51

(11,916 posts)
28. +1
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 06:25 PM
Feb 2019

F U Darla Shine.

As you said, DG, Shine's arguing for something that can kill. So much for the "pro-life" position.

samnsara

(17,625 posts)
10. she needs to stfu...why doesnt she go to a country infected with Ebola and let them breath on her..
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 08:14 AM
Feb 2019

..see if she will be 'stronger' after shes had the infection.

underpants

(182,848 posts)
11. There was no cancer when we had those lovely childhood diseases?
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 08:33 AM
Feb 2019

Come on! Who doesn't want to see their kid being sick?

TNNurse

(6,928 posts)
14. I would like to explain to that very ignorant woman,
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 09:04 AM
Feb 2019

that those of us baby boomers who DID survive are just the ones who made it. I wish family members of those who died from those now preventable diseases would tell her their stories.

And also, Bitch, my surviving measles, chicken pox and mumps did not protect me from having breast cancer. Your ignorance is dangerous and deadly.

Response to TNNurse (Reply #14)

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
15. Need less emotion (from both sides) and more rational thinking.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 09:12 AM
Feb 2019

No one gets this bent out of shape over prevention of cancer or heart disease.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
29. Both sides? Like at Charlottesville?
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 10:15 PM
Feb 2019

Why do we that are incensed at the Anti-vaccer woo need to show less emotion?

We tend to get emotional at public figures giving dangerous, conspiracy laden advice.

Perhaps I misunderstood your post.

Care to elaborate?

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
18. There is so much wrong in your message I don't know where to begin
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 10:18 AM
Feb 2019

Vaccinations are extremely effective.

Your first sentence denies the "herd" or community effect:

Germs can travel quickly through a community and make a lot of people sick. If enough people get sick, it can lead to an outbreak. But when enough people are vaccinated against a certain disease, the germs can’t travel as easily from person to person — and the entire community is less likely to get the disease.

That means even people who can’t get vaccinated will have some protection from getting sick. And if a person does get sick, there’s less chance of an outbreak because it’s harder for the disease to spread. Eventually, the disease becomes rare — and sometimes, it’s wiped out altogether.
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/work/protection/index.html


If natural immunity were more effective there would never have been a need for vaccinations, the plagues of the past would never have happened, and those of us who remember the real effects of polio, measles, and other diseases would not have those memories since they would not have happened:

Some individuals who are concerned about the safety of vaccines and their ingredients have begun to promote natural immunity over vaccine-induced immunity, but the only way to get natural immunity is through infection with the actual disease. This means that you have to get sick—sometimes severely ill—to develop resistance.

Vaccines, on the other hand, cause a natural immune response in the body without causing illness. Vaccines are safe because the viruses or bacteria used in vaccines are dead or have been severely weakened. Our bodies recognize these weakened invaders and create antibodies to protect us against future infection. In this way, we trick our bodies into thinking we’ve already had the disease.
Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity result in long-lasting, sometimes life-long, active immunity. However, the benefits of vaccine-induced immunity are much greater and the risk is much lower:

While natural immunity typically lasts longer, some vaccines produce longer-lasting immunity, such as HPV, tetanus (DTaP), Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), and pneumococcal.
Vaccines often protect against multiple strains of a disease, whereas infection only provides future protection against one strain. Influenza, HPV, Polio, and Pneumococcus are examples of vaccine-preventable diseases which have several strains.
Not all infections offer life-long immunity to even a single strain (i.e. pertussis).
https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/work/protection/index.html


Vaccines don't always work but they are MUCH more effective than "natural immunity" when exposed to the actual disease. Vaccines provide as much immunity without the risk of getting and spreading the diseases.

The chart on this page shows how well vaccines work - they have cut deaths from childhood diseases dramatically:
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/vaccine-benefits
The effectiveness is between 91% and 100% according to government statistics.

To add to all of that, some people CANNOT get vaccinations due to immune system problems. Un-vaccinated people that can carry and spread diseases are a particular danger to those with suppressed immune systems and to those too young to get vaccinated.

Go spread your anti-vaccer nonsense somewhere else, please.

lark

(23,134 posts)
19. I am borderline legally blind due to German Measles. My friends son is deaf because of measles.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 10:28 AM
Feb 2019

I had a 105 degree fever and my dad went and got tons of ice, put me in the tub then the ice. REally glad I don't remember that, maybe it's why I hate being cold so much?

My friend didn't even know she was pregnant, but when she started feeling sick she went to the dr., found out she had measles & was pregnant. Son was born deaf and had other neurological issues as well.

Evil anti-vaxxers want more disabled or dead babies?

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Staph

(6,252 posts)
23. I was born in 1954,
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:44 PM
Feb 2019

so I had measles, mumps and chicken pox before the vaccines for them were widely available.

And I have endometrial cancer.


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