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pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:30 PM Jan 2019

President Trump Directed His Attorney To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project

Source: BuzzFeed News

President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.

Trump also supported a plan, set up by Cohen, to visit Russia during the presidential campaign, in order to personally meet President Vladimir Putin and jump-start the tower negotiations. "Make it happen," the sources said Trump told Cohen.

And even as Trump told the public he had no business deals with Russia, the sources said Trump and his children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr., received regular, detailed updates about the real estate development from Cohen, whom they put in charge of the project.


Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying about the deal in testimony and in a two-page statement to the Senate and House intelligence committees. Special counsel Robert Mueller noted that Cohen's false claim that the project ended in January 2016 was an attempt to "minimize links between the Moscow Project and Individual 1" -- widely understood to be Trump -- "in hopes of limiting the ongoing Russia investigations."



Read more: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation



The reporter who wrote the story is about to phone-in on Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC.

The reporter is saying that Mueller already had physical or other evidence that Trump had directed Cohen to lie BEFORE Cohen met with Mueller. So Cohen was confirming stuff that Mueller already knew.

ON UPDATE: Lawrence just pointed out that Michael Cohen kept TAPE RECORDINGS, which we know the FBI acquired during the raid. So it is POSSIBLE they even have Trump on tape, directing Cohen to lie.

Wouldn't that be something!
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President Trump Directed His Attorney To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2019 OP
Kaboom... louis c Jan 2019 #1
That's a Grade A case for suborning perjury htuttle Jan 2019 #2
According to this ...................... Scruffy1 Jan 2019 #8
"Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying about the deal" mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #12
Rep Swalwell just confirmed that he was under oath at the time -- so he committed perjury htuttle Jan 2019 #19
+1 dalton99a Jan 2019 #20
So that would make this 'high crime' Number 1. Volaris Jan 2019 #42
Cohen was testifying under oath. dawg day Jan 2019 #52
A trifecta? Midnightwalk Jan 2019 #46
Story on Lawrence show now. elleng Jan 2019 #3
Watching. Great panel emulatorloo Jan 2019 #28
Bombshell, thanks for posting emulatorloo Jan 2019 #4
Lock him up! oasis Jan 2019 #5
Uh oh... SergeStorms Jan 2019 #6
I hope Michael Cohen has bodyguards. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #7
He is worried about his family....and Lanny Davis weaseled today on The Beat... Grasswire2 Jan 2019 #14
I think it's far too late... SergeStorms Jan 2019 #26
Interesting comments by Davis today. Wellstone ruled Jan 2019 #36
"I hope Michael Cohen has bodyguards." Talitha Jan 2019 #55
February 7 can't get here soon enough. I may have to get myself one of those 96" televisions!!! George II Jan 2019 #9
I have a 40 inch Toshiba that's nine years old. House of Roberts Jan 2019 #31
Ha! may even be time to build a media room for it. ! nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2019 #37
All the better to watch those beads of sweat turn into torrents. Nt spooky3 Jan 2019 #51
Out of curiosity, what was the earliest date at which Trump said publicly mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #10
Their two reporters are both Pulitzer recipients... RHMerriman Jan 2019 #17
I know who Jason Leopold is, friend ... mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #27
Christopher Steele TwilightZone Jan 2019 #43
Lol, you got me ... I always muck that one up ... lol (nt) mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #44
Jason Leopold was only a finalist in a group award for a Pulitzer, not a winner. OKNancy Jan 2019 #58
It's been reported... SergeStorms Jan 2019 #22
There are actually TWO Trump Tower Moscow deals, according to Seth summer_in_TX Jan 2019 #48
Is this why he sent his wife to FL? gopiscrap Jan 2019 #11
February 7 is going to be wild. Squinch Jan 2019 #13
K&R and deep breaths!! Leghorn21 Jan 2019 #15
Do you like apples? Well we got the scoop. How BootinUp Jan 2019 #16
Impeach the Motherfucker. dalton99a Jan 2019 #18
It would seem that he directed many to lie for him, as the traps are being sprung and as MSnBC mastermind Jan 2019 #21
That RICO indictment will come from Mueller's Grand Jury, Volaris Jan 2019 #45
get out the popcorn trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #23
. Sparkly Jan 2019 #24
Donald Trump is FUCKED!!!!!!! ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #25
We've been here before. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2019 #29
The tRump crime family and the GOP in general think they are above the law and so far that seems to mastermind Jan 2019 #30
There just may be enough in the Senate to convict after this....... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #33
Klobuchar kicked ass in that hearing. MontanaMama Jan 2019 #49
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #32
Best news so far. JohnnyLib2 Jan 2019 #34
Toast cilla4progress Jan 2019 #35
CROOK. slumcamper Jan 2019 #38
TAPE RECORDINGS!! Yes! Duppers Jan 2019 #39
Game. Set. Match. RandySF Jan 2019 #40
Yes, I believe that too is an impeachable offense. What say you Mitch? ffr Jan 2019 #41
About time, a complete story, 40 replies, and Jason Leopold's name.... flotsam Jan 2019 #47
. dalton99a Jan 2019 #50
Amy knewed something Gothmog Jan 2019 #53
Amy is very, very, smart! pnwmom Jan 2019 #54
I am sure warming to her jcgoldie Jan 2019 #59
Remember when Cohen said... Talitha Jan 2019 #56
Link to BBC nitpicker Jan 2019 #57
KICK!!!!!!! bluestarone Jan 2019 #60
If suborning (obstructing justice) were only thing, Mueller would have finished long ago. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2019 #61

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
8. According to this ......................
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:42 PM
Jan 2019

The person is not guilty of subborning perjury unless the person he asked actually committs perjury. I have no idea if this is correct and am not an attorney.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
12. "Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying about the deal"
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:47 PM
Jan 2019

What part of that makes you wonder whether Perjury ... was actually committed?

htuttle

(23,738 posts)
19. Rep Swalwell just confirmed that he was under oath at the time -- so he committed perjury
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jan 2019

And the President committed the felony of suborning perjury.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
46. A trifecta?
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 01:06 AM
Jan 2019

Obstruction, suborning perjury and Mueller is sharp enough that this would have been touched in in the written questions/answers. There might be a perjury charge as well.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
6. Uh oh...
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:37 PM
Jan 2019

more Trump lies and dirty deals. Can't this mofo ever tell the truth?

More charges stack up on Dirty Donnie. Good! I hope the son-of-a-bitch NEVER gets out of jail! Die there, you piece of snake shit.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
14. He is worried about his family....and Lanny Davis weaseled today on The Beat...
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:48 PM
Jan 2019

...as to whether Cohen would actually proceed with appearing.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
26. I think it's far too late...
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:58 PM
Jan 2019

for any GOP scumbag to try anything like that. The evidence is too plentiful for the whacking of one man to make a difference. Mueller has the evidence for this, and probably many more, directions from Dirty Donnie to other to commit perjury.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
36. Interesting comments by Davis today.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:17 AM
Jan 2019

Cohen has some real ugly Mobsters in his life. The Ukrainian and Russians do not play nice.

Said this before,when a body or bodies start showing up in car trunks in the Hudson,you know Vald is calling in his markers.

Talitha

(6,611 posts)
55. "I hope Michael Cohen has bodyguards."
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 03:18 AM
Jan 2019

You bet!

Not only Cohen, but Mueller - and everyone else involved in exhuming the truth.

Never in my wildest nightmares did I ever imagine something like this happening to my country. And it happened right out in the open, and right under our noses.... all enabled by the Repugs.

House of Roberts

(5,179 posts)
31. I have a 40 inch Toshiba that's nine years old.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:09 AM
Jan 2019

I have room for up to a 60 inch. That's in my bedroom. I'm still not sure I am ready to step up, but a good reason would be new charges and indictments.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
10. Out of curiosity, what was the earliest date at which Trump said publicly
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:45 PM
Jan 2019

that he had no dealings/business/etc with Russia?

Because supposedly the negotiations on the Tower project ended before the Convention (june/july). I don't recall Trump starting to talk about how he has no Russia dealings until after that. Could be wrong, that's why I ask.

I only point it out because, if I'm correct ... I wish BuzzFeed, in stories like this ... would stay true to facts. I'd like to share it, but if there's inaccuracies ... I don't want to share it, even if the main gist is true. Buzzfeed is already considered sketchy by many, although I feel like they're 'right' a lot of the time ...

RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
17. Their two reporters are both Pulitzer recipients...
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:49 PM
Jan 2019

Their two reporters are both Pulitzer finalists/recipients... those don't get handed out for participation.

Buzzfeed published the Steele Dossier, and there certainly is a lot in the Steele Dossier that has been born out, and very little - if anything - that has been disproven.

They may be ahead of the curve, but I'm not going to say they're in error.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
27. I know who Jason Leopold is, friend ...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:00 AM
Jan 2019

Last edited Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:44 AM - Edit history (1)

I also know all Buzzfeed reporters are not above interjecting little inaccuracies in their stories for effect. I've read them for well over a decade.

"Publishing the Steele Dossier" says nothing about Buzzfeed's accuracy, it means they published the work of Michael Steele (EDIT: Sorry, Christopher Steele!). And he was accurate. There's a difference.

And I don't doubt that the main gist is correct, but when I see little allusions like


And even as Trump told the public he had no business deals with Russia, the sources said Trump and his children, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr., received regular, detailed updates


and if they fly in the face of what I recall, such as that the "I have no business with Russia" claims from Trump came after the Convention ... whereas Cohen has also basically said the discussions were ended when Trump won the nomination ...

I'm not above questioning whether Buzzfeed is taking liberties with that particular accusation, put it that way.

Is it accurate to say that Trump was publicly denying any 'Russia Business' ... BEFORE the convention? That's all I'm asking ...

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
58. Jason Leopold was only a finalist in a group award for a Pulitzer, not a winner.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 06:47 AM
Jan 2019

I hope the article is true but Leopold has MANY past problems with truthful/inaccurate reporting.

The Rove indictment story was particularly covered here on DU.
Salon also removed one of his articles for plagiarism.

OTOH, he has done some good reporting.

I just hope this is one of the "good" ones.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
22. It's been reported...
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:52 PM
Jan 2019

that the negotiations went on through the summer, when Trump was already the republiCON nominee. Trump is fucked three ways to Sunday.

summer_in_TX

(2,741 posts)
48. There are actually TWO Trump Tower Moscow deals, according to Seth
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 01:16 AM
Jan 2019

Abramson. One is Trump-Rozov (signed in 2015, active at least until June 2016) and the other is Trump-Agalarov (signed in 2013, active at least until February 2017). Two letters of intent and two different timelines.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211503055

 

mastermind

(229 posts)
21. It would seem that he directed many to lie for him, as the traps are being sprung and as MSnBC
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:51 PM
Jan 2019

put it, they are all lawyering up. I think they did this because they figured they could get away with it, had the power of the president backing them up, the pardon option and cushy, well paid jobs waiting for them. They may get a pardon, from tRump or the fascist that replaces tRump. The GOP is one big RICO violation.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
45. That RICO indictment will come from Mueller's Grand Jury,
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:44 AM
Jan 2019

And IF it does , that shit will be IRONCLAD.
It will destroyed the Republican party as an American political force.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
25. Donald Trump is FUCKED!!!!!!!
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 11:56 PM
Jan 2019

To instruct someone to lie on your behalf IS a crime.

Amy Klobuchar has William Barr by the balls when she asked him a barrage if questions on this very subject. Donald Trump knowingly told Michael Cohen to commit a crime. THIS is Obstruction of justice. We are in new territory here.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,433 posts)
29. We've been here before.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:09 AM
Jan 2019

Remember that Trumpy is “Individual #1” in a previous Cohen case in which he instructed Cohen to commit felonies. I don’t know which case is worse.

 

mastermind

(229 posts)
30. The tRump crime family and the GOP in general think they are above the law and so far that seems to
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:09 AM
Jan 2019

be the case. I do not trust our justice system when so many fascists are federal judges, control most of the Gov and the Supreme court.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
33. There just may be enough in the Senate to convict after this.......
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:14 AM
Jan 2019

Other than Ted Cruz and Mitch McConnell, there has to be Senate Republicans with some principles who are so disgusted by the corruption surrounding Trump and his family. Enough may be coming to a head for the rule of law and our democracy to survive.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
41. Yes, I believe that too is an impeachable offense. What say you Mitch?
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 12:28 AM
Jan 2019

Coward. Complicit. Traitor!

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
47. About time, a complete story, 40 replies, and Jason Leopold's name....
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 01:08 AM
Jan 2019

...without a single reference to business days-Fucking good! We never found out what happened with that one story that blew up but I for one am glad to see this day come-the man has done some good work. The day I can see a Will Pitt piece posted here without horseshit insults I will be very grateful. Too err is one thing or another, and then there is a second verse.

jcgoldie

(11,635 posts)
59. I am sure warming to her
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:22 AM
Jan 2019

She is very very likable and sincere. We could do a whole lot worse than to put up a candidate who is the anti-Trump in just about every way.

Talitha

(6,611 posts)
56. Remember when Cohen said...
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 03:28 AM
Jan 2019

"Mueller knows everything".. or something to that effect?
I think this is what he was referring to.

Cohen is a crook and a liar (especially while employed by the Dumpster).
But I think he's telling the truth now - - and he's on a mission.

There's a thin line between loyalty/love and vengeance/hate.

The Dumpster threw Cohen across that line quite a while ago.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
61. If suborning (obstructing justice) were only thing, Mueller would have finished long ago.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:47 AM
Jan 2019

It means there are deeper darker crimes on tRump's head.

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