Migrant caravan: Mexico to deport group which stormed US border

[brooklynite]

Source: BBC

Mexico will deport almost 500 migrants who attempted to storm the US border, according to its interior ministry.

The group were rounded up after trying to cross the border "violently" and "illegally" on Sunday, the ministry said in a statement.

Video footage shows dozens of people - including women and children - running towards the fence that separates the two countries near the city of Tijuana.

They were repelled by tear gas used by US border officers.


Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46339085

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. lies, they only violence was by ICE

[bluestarone]

2. Question

Can the new house subpoena ICE? Anyone know this?

[still_one]

7. ICE used tear gas. When they cut through the fence what should have ICE done?

[LakeSuperiorView]

8. Did they even reach the US fence?

I thought the tear gas was shot into Mexican territory to drive them back...

[still_one]

9. I have no idea, but the Mexican government supposedly has no problem with it, and are planning

deport those who tried to cross the border.

The Mexican government said according to BBC:

"trying to cross the border "violently" and "illegally", the ministry said in a statement

"Mexico's interior ministry said all those who were identified as having tried to cross would be deported immediately

It added that "far from helping their objectives", the migrants action that violated the legal immigration framework, and could have led to a "serious incident""

[LakeSuperiorView]

12. You declared that they cut through the fence.

Now you don't know if they they did. The tear gas was fired into Mexico.

When did ICE get responsibility for defending Mexican land?

[still_one]

13. I got thatt on an alert on my phone, either from BBC or WP, I will find it or edit accordingly.

Thanks

[still_one]

14. This is what I saw on my phone notification.

"TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) — Migrants approaching the U.S. border from Mexico were enveloped with tear gas Sunday after a few tried to breach the fence separating the two countries.
U.S. agents shot the gas, according to an Associated Press reporter on the scene. Children were screaming and coughing in the mayhem.
Honduran migrant Ana Zuniga, 23, said she saw migrants open a small hole in concertina wire at a gap on the Mexican side of a levee, at which point U.S. agents fired tear gas at them.
“We ran, but when you run the gas asphyxiates you more,” she told the AP while cradling her 3-year-old daughter Valery in her arms."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/migrant-caravan-tear-gas_us_5bfb11ace4b0771fb6ba24a5

I cannot find the notification on my phone now, but it wasn't from Huffington Post.

BBC has pictures showing them trying to climb over the fence:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46339085

[Conflict]

16. Apparently the consensus on this and another thread is...

that there should be no border enforcement at all. I hope it's not a "Republican talking point" to say that there might be a down side to that policy.

[olegramps]

19. Whoever is responsible for inciting them to storm the boarder didn't do their cause a favor.

It was especially irresponsible for them to throw rocks at the security personal. It jeopardizes their cause and can only serve to justify the Republicans' exploitation of this human tragedy. This must be handled calmly and with due respect for the laws. This administration has demonstrated that it has no intent in just resolution and is using the situation as a propaganda tool. Hopefully, when the Democrats take control of the House the situation can be properly addressed.


It must realized that this deplorable situation is not limited to the Central American countries, but has also infected South American countries such as in the case of Venezuela. The Marxists take over of the country has left it destitute. Their nationalization of industry has destroyed its base and inflation is at astronmical levels, exceeding 1 million percent a year. The economy has been destroyed by the insane policies of Hugo Chavez and his henchman Maduro who took over after Chavez's death in Cuba who nationalized industry and imposed land reform that has destoyed the agriculture. People are literally staving to death. There a massive exodus with over 2.5 million fleeing to neighoring countries causing a humanitarian catrasphopy. It going to take a more responsible person at the controls if we are to address and solve these major problems.

[still_one]

23. The reason this is even an issue is because of 2016. This is directly because of the policies of

Trump. This should be made very clear.

The migrants should be processed in the U.S., but unfortunately 2016 closed that off, and the next opportunity to reverse that will be 2020

[Eliot Rosewater]

20. NOT tear gas women and children, easiest question I will be asked this month.

[still_one]

22. While that is undoubtly true, when you have people climbing the fence border, what were they

suppossed to do to stop them?

The fact is the migrants immigration should be processed in the U.S., and this is a problem directly caused by trump. Unfortunately, 2016 pretty much closed that off, so the next opportunity to reverse this will be 2020

[woundedkarma]

3. I don't believe it for a second... n/t

[still_one]

10. Then you don't believe the Mexican government either

[cstanleytech]

4. Article claims Trump has authorized the military to use lethal force is that even legal to do

against unarmed civilians?

[Igel]

15. Rather depends on context.

And what "unarmed" means.

If a soldier sees somebody pick up a rock and about to bash in a border patrol agent's skull, is that "somebody" unarmed? He's certainly a civilian. I keep hearing that rocks and slingshots aren't weapons; but I keep hearing that you can stone somebody to death and that slingshots were weapons of war, and quite lethal. So perhaps not everything that's lethal and used as a weapon counts towards "armed". Hard to know. Sometimes it's like the desired conclusion dictates what the terms mean.

The context in the authorization is fairly narrow. When it got reported, it was only ever so slightly blurred, but as the reporting gets echoed down deeper into the cave it becomes more and more blurred, less and less clear, so that by now it's just "lethal force is permitted" (presumably even just for giggles and grins). The actual context is it's permitted when threatened or assaulted. The context is nothing like, "Oh, look 300 yards over there--see that woman and child 10 feet inside the US border? We can use lethal force, so whoever nails the kid gets free Chik-Fil-A on me!"

But rules of engagement must specify if lethal force is permitted. If it's not permitted, then if assaulted a soldier cannot properly respond with lethal force. So it's always permitted, just under more stringent or more lax circumstances. Usually under the usual legal conditions when the use of lethal force is permitted--if threatened or if somebody else is threatened and lethal force is necessary to preserve their life.

[cstanleytech]

17. So shooting someone for the only crime of simply crossing the border would be illegal and

any soldier that did so would be facing criminal charges?

[Just a Weirdo]

21. Violation of Posse Comitiatus Act of 1878

Round up Trump and his ilk and throw them into the hoosegaw!

[Zorro]

5. The migrants are not building much sympathy by this action

They are only giving fodder to the Trumpies.

[still_one]

6. You're right. Whose brilliant and sea was that?

[still_one]

11. Let's be clear, the ministry they are talking about is the Mexican government, who do not have

any problem with the action taken, and will be deporting those who are identified and involved

[LuckyLib]

18. Trump has whipped this up into a nightmare. Vulnerable people are frightened that

all avenues for asylum application will be closed and there are rumors and panic. This is so tragic.