Friends raised money for a gay college athlete after her parents disowned her. Then the NCAA called.

[turbinetree]

Source: Talking Points Memo

"The online crowdfunding webpage was organized and promoted in a manner not permitted under NCAA legislation."

LINDSAY GIBBS
NOV 16, 2018, 3:23 PM

Every time you think the NCAA has finally reached the depths of their depravity, the organization finds another way to sink lower. Earlier this year, the draconian bylaws of the governing body of collegiate sports nearly derailed efforts to provide financial support for the family of a hospitalized football player who was injured during a game, and in 2015, the organization threw the book at a homeless athlete for the crime of being homeless.

Now, an athlete who was disowned and financially cut off by her parents because she is gay is being forced to choose between her sport and her livelihood, after the NCAA caught wind of an effort by her friends to raise money to cover such luxuries as a roof over her head and edible goods.

Ah, the purity of amateurism!

Emily Scheck, a cross-country runner at Canisius College in upstate New York, had to deal with this worst-case scenario when her parents discovered, through social media, that she was dating a woman: She was told to either return home so she could receive dehumanizing, harmful, and ineffective conversion therapy, or stay at school and be cut out of their lives forever, according to a report by Outsports.



Read more: https://thinkprogress.org/ncaa-punishes-lgbtq-athlete-66e28ef63ede/

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Now the NCAA is in the business "purity amateurism"...............I would sue the college and the NCAA

This is just fucked up......................

[dbackjon]

1. The NCAA isn't the villian here - it is the fucked up parents

Put the blame where it belongs.

NCAA is just enforcing the rules like the do for all athletes.

But there are work arounds (like when the TN State football player was hurt in a game)

[DiverDave]

7. The ncaa is filled with

These examples. Yes, the parents are lowlifes, but to do this?
FUCK THE ncaa.

[DiverDave]

8. Man,

Fuck the ncaa

[LisaM]

15. I agree that the NCAA isn't at fault (and it's a sad situation).

Crowdfunding is probably not something that they cover in their rules at the moment, but there's a very good reason that they need to worry about it, because it could easily turn into a pay-for-play situation. (I personally fall in the camp that student athletes should get some sort of stipend, but even that can be fraught, because not all schools are rich and not all sports produce revenue).

But crowdfunding could be easily misused, particularly if you can't verify the source of the donations.

[dbackjon]

18. Correct

The NCAA has allowed for crowd-funding in some situations, but it has to run through the school so it can be monitored and transparent.

Earlier this fall there was a Tennessee State football player badly hurt in a game. Within hours, multiple GoFundMe accounts appeared - good intentioned, but only the one set up through Tennessee State was allowable.

Otherwise, as you said, you could have Gofundme's for the star QB's hangnail.

The NCAA allows for FCOA - full cost of Attendance. But unless you are a rich school, most athletic departments can't afford it.

Only a handful of athletic departments actually make money. Even the multi-billion dollar NCAA tournament is used to support scholarships and championships for the non-revenue sports (like Cross-country).

[JonLP24]

43. Yes the NCAA is at fault

They are a cartel that violates antitrust rules.

[LisaM]

49. You may dislike the NCAA, but in this case

I think that they were following rules established for a reason. For one thing, it sounds as if they working this situation out, but they obviously can't have a system where anyone can flood star athletes with money.

[JonLP24]

51. The term student athlete originated from a case

Where a judge ruled they had to pay workman's comp for a football injury. They only give one year scholarships so coaches can abuse their athletes by threatening to take it away from them.

Monopsony in College Athletics—Posner

Monopsony in College Athletics—Posner
The most common type of cartel is an agreement among competitors not to sell their product below a fixed price that will generate monopoly profits for the parties to the agreement. But another type of cartel, termed monopsonistic (from the Greek words for “one” and “purchasing of food”) rather than monopolistic (one seller, versus one buyer in a monopsonized market), is an agreement among competitors not to pay more than a fixed price for a key input, such as labor. By agreeing to pay less, the cartel purchases less of the input (and perhaps of lower quality), because less is supplied at the lower price (and suppliers may lower quality to compensate, by reducing their costs, for the lower price they receive).

The National Collegiate Athletic Association behaves monopsonistically in forbidding its member colleges and universities to pay its athletes. Although cartels, including monopsonistic ones, are generally deemed to be illegal per se under American antitrust law, the NCAA’s monopsonistic behavior has thus far not been successfully challenged. The justification that the NCAA offers—that collegiate athletes are students and would be corrupted by being salaried—coupled with the fact that the members of the NCAA, and the NCAA itself, are formally not-for-profit institutions, have had sufficient appeal to enable the association to continue to impose and enforce its rule against paying student athletes, and a number of subsidiary rules designed to prevent the cheating by cartel members that plagues most cartels.

As Becker points out, were it not for the monopsonistic rule against paying student athletes, these athletes would be paid; the monopsony transfers wealth from them to their “employers,” the colleges. A further consequence is that college teams are smaller and, more important, of lower quality than they would be if the student athletes were paid.
https://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2011/04/monopsony-in-college-athleticsposner.html

NCAA members behave like a buyer cartel and use the bylaws of the NCAA to maintain their collusive agreement. We model the NCAA as a collusive monopsony and demonstrate the impact on compensation and employment for student athletes, as well as the consequences for social welfare and distribution of surplus. Then we identify specific NCAA bylaws that restrain competition among cartel members, such as limits on the number of athletic scholarships awarded, recruiting, player transfers, and athletic housing. Lastly, we discuss the effects of the NCAA’s recent move to lift the restriction on contract durations for student athletes and the recent Agnew antitrust litigation which may have precipitated this change.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0003603X16688836

Have you been following the ADIDAS corruption trial? Plenty of star athletes are being flooded with money. NCAA prefers to keep it that way under the table.

[hlthe2b]

2. calling for an honorable and skilled pro-bono attorney to take her case...pronto

[Trenzalore]

3. The NCAA is probably 2nd in corruption to FIFA

The amount made on college sports which none reaches students is sickening.

[former9thward]

17. You mean the tens of thousands of dollars they get from a free education

is not getting to them? I can think of many students who would love that type of "not getting to them".

[paleotn]

23. When they actually have time to pursue that "free" education....

And lets not EVEN get into the millions upon millions these athletes generate for the power conferences. And yes, the athletes generate the income. No athletes, no multi million dollar salaries for Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. No plush facilities that rival and even surpass those of the NFL. Lets call this what it is...a multi billion dollar industry masquerading as collegiate athletic endeavor. Here in NC, Roy Williams' operation has as much to do with the mission of UNC as Joe's heating and plumbing.

[former9thward]

28. Some sports (football) do generate millions for colleges.

Those millions, in addition to what you mention, fund the sports which do not raise money but are money losers. They fund scholarships for students in those money losing sports.

[paleotn]

31. And how many coaches at flag ship universities

are by far and away the highest paid employees in those states? What's used to pay for the men's tennis team is cream off the top. Looks after doing all those good works for the "non-revenue" sports, Alabama had just a little left over to spruce up the football facilities....

https://www.businessinsider.com/alabama-football-facility-pictures-2013-7#another-college-football-extravagance-24

[former9thward]

33. The Chancellor of the U of Alabama said Nick Saban was the best investment the college ever made.

He has brought tens of millions to the university. He makes a lot of money and brings far more to the university. No one's tuition is paying his salary.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nick-saban-called-uas-best-financial-investment-by-chancellor/

[paleotn]

35. No, the university isn't paying his salary. Football money is paying his millions...

And the Chancellor says that only because Saban has brought such success to the football team. Certainly not to the university's mission or its ranking among large research institutions. It's well known where UA's priorities lie and that of most of the power conference schools. From an academic standpoint, UA is mediocre at best. But hey! They're ranked number 1 and are on the way to another national championship. I'm sure THAT will drive much needed research into better cancer treatment, battery development for electric vehicles or the giving its students a top notch, well rounded education.

[former9thward]

36. You are defining the university's "mission".

And that is fine but I think many others differ.

[Trenzalore]

26. Being the minor leagues for the NBA and NFL

[former9thward]

29. And?

Of course they are. So what? Thousands of students are getting a free ride thru college because of it. Students who have the opportunity to get a degree even though they will never be on a professional team.

[Trenzalore]

30. The "rules"

The rules are written for Men's College Basketball and Football. Can you explain to me the last bribery scandal for women's track?

Between sports betting, merchandize, tickets etc the colleges make a killing and they don't pass that along as a rebate to the campuses.

The entire college sports is a sham that should die a fast death.

[former9thward]

32. So you want to elimiante women's track?

And most other women's sports? Because all are money losers. Funded by men's football.

[JonLP24]

44. Take an economics course

And then you'll figure out why the NCAA is corrupt and anti labor.

[LanternWaste]

48. Seems pretty irrational to infer that one specific from the sentiment expressed.

The Fallacy of Composition seems to be trending these days...

[LakeSuperiorView]

4. Sounds like she has orphanned, could someone adopt her?

[Chakaconcarne]

5. Well her crowd fund will now grow 100 fold.....

[erronis]

6. "I would sue the college and the NCAA". Agree altho the NCAA is really at fault.

it is best to sue all possible parties. The NCAA has a ton of cash and a huge image problem and it would like this to go quietly into the night. The college could do the right thing and drop out of the NCAA which might give an avenue for other colleges to do the same.

It seems that all sports organizations that start handling real money become criminal.

The parents should be sued separately since their actions are reprehensible in many other ways. In the end this young person will be better without them (unless they agree to go to a reprogramming session in being a human.)

[Jedi Guy]

19. Sue the parents for what, exactly?

I agree that their stance is reprehensible, but as long as the daughter is of age they have no legal obligation to support her. If she's old enough to attend university, odds are she's 18 or older. I don't really see how they could be sued over this situation, as she has no claim on their resources.

I don't see that the NCAA is at fault, either. They have pretty strict rules about athletes receiving funds, and it seems to me they're just applying the rules. I don't perceive that she's being singled out due to malice.

[X_Digger]

34. Sue them for what, exactly?

I'm really curios what kind of claim you think a person can make in these circumstances.

[iluvtennis]

9. Why should the NCAA even have a say on this. The money was raised by her friends. Is the

NCAA saying that family and friends can't help fund a student's education. This is just unacceptable.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

10. UPDATE: The NCAA and Canisius College have announced that Emily Scheck can keep her donations

From Outsports, the source for this story:

UPDATE: The NCAA and Canisius College have announced that Emily Scheck can keep her donations AND eligibility.

Read the statement here:

Link to tweet

[grantcart]

22. Good. Unfortunate situation glad they found am accommodation.

[paleotn]

25. Wiser heads prevail....

Now her parents can go straight to fucking hell!!

[SallyHemmings]

11. NCAA is a horrendous organization & her parents are worse

Update: glad this worked out. The NCAA still sucks and her parents are still worse..

[PaulX2]

12. Send Her Parents To Conversion Therapy

Convert them into human beings.

[SWBTATTReg]

16. Is conversion therapy even legal (in NY)? What a pair of pathetic parents. NT

[DashOneBravo]

20. No shit ..

[FiveGoodMen]

27. "Convert them into human beings."

Does that ever work?

[Hassler]

13. NCAA at work: USC committed serious infractions, so penalize the gay athlete.

[Soxfan58]

14. Nice fucking parents.

As the parent of a bi sexual daughter, they make me sick.

[calimary]

52. That was my first reaction. Shame on THEM!

NOT on their precious daughter. I hope she knows there’s lots of love and support for her out there in spite of this heartbreak from home. Such a disgrace that she can’t have that from her own mom and dad!?!

As a parent myself, I can’t wrap my head around their disowning her. For being GAY??? My kids are both straight. But how could I NOT love them just as passionately, regardless? It shouldn’t make any difference.

[Cold War Spook]

21. And of course the NCAA holds football players and basketball players to the same rules?

That's because colleges are more interested in giving them a good academic education because that is what the alumni want.

[dbackjon]

24. NCAA to allow disowned gay athlete to keep donations and eligibility

https://www.outsports.com/2018/11/16/18099223/emily-scheck-gay-ncaa-canisius-college-gofundme?fbclid=IwAR0sQZbfte9ABy0K24uk6x9VPJZpuP3BBYCI2WemSLLoIEQIDTwNeCPHzq4

[rocktivity]

37. The brother of an NCAA athlete celebrated growth of his business by purchasing a BMW

Last edited Wed Nov 28, 2018, 11:31 AM - Edit history (3)

After the athlete was seen driving it, a copy of the auto financing paperwork had to be submitted to the NCAA to prove that it had not been a "gift" for either of them. And to celebrate Tiger Woods deciding to leave college to turn pro, Arnold Palmer took him out to dinner. The NCAA made Tiger reimburse Arnold for half the bill.

And now for something even more completely draconican...

Rowan University will allow female athletes to practice in sports bras after online outrage


rocktivity

[GopherGal]

38. The way I look at it...

is that for every seemingly ridiculous NCAA rule, there is a (usually basketball or football) booster who drove a truck (or SUV, or sportscar) through a loophole (that the rule has since closed).

Seems like in this instance they found a way to split the difference between providing humane assistance and an "impermissible benefit" violation.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

39. What are the odds her parents identify

as "devout" christians ?

I hope the young woman is surrounded by strong, intelligent, caring friends to help her re-define the meaning of "family" to mean non-judgemental, loving people.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

40. Fuck the NCAA.

[laserhaas]

41. The NCAA is a draconian unconstitutional monopoly

The NCAA violates the Civil Rights of grown men and women, in an anti-trust manner. The NCAA prevents adults from their inalienable right to get paid for their abilities.

The NCAA is a monopolistic oppressor needing an end!

[JonLP24]

45. Finally somebody that understands.

+1000

[laserhaas]

46. More than most know

Was of the hopes Joe Nocera would take on the NCAA, even more, after he left NYT

[JonLP24]

42. Fuck the NCAA

They do stuff you don't see in any industry. Child actors have more labor rights than a NCAA athlete.

[laserhaas]

47. Exactly

[dembotoz]

50. slippery slope

ncaa is working to keep the athletes unpaid except for scholarships

if they allow this what new hard luck story will they face next week

i hate the ncaa but understand them on this