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marble falls

(57,097 posts)
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:14 PM Oct 2018

Trump Fan Convicted In Anti-Muslim Terror Plot Asks Judge To Consider Trump's Rhetoric

Source: Huffpo

10/29/2018 05:00 pm ET
Trump Fan Convicted In Anti-Muslim Terror Plot Asks Judge To Consider Trump’s Rhetoric

Patrick Stein’s attorneys also said he learned about the Quran “from the internet and conservative talk-show hosts such as Sean Hannity and Michael Savage.”


By Ryan J. Reilly


WASHINGTON ― Attorneys for a President Donald Trump supporter who was convicted in a domestic terrorism plot aimed at slaughtering Muslim refugees asked a federal judge to factor in the “backdrop” of Trump’s campaign rhetoric when deciding their client’s sentence this week.

Patrick Stein was one of three right-wing militiamen found guilty in April of a conspiracy to kill Muslim refugees living in rural Kansas. Ahead of the 2016 election, Stein and two others plotted with an FBI informant and an undercover agent to bomb an apartment complex that housed Muslims in Garden City. Stein went by the handle “Orkin Man” and referred to Muslims as “cockroaches” he wanted exterminated.

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“Trump’s brand of rough-and-tumble verbal pummeling heightened the rhetorical stakes for people of all political persuasions,” they added. “A personal normally at a 3 on a scale of political talk might have found themselves at a 7 during the election. A person, like Patrick, who would often be at a 7 during a normal day, might ‘go to 11.’ That climate should be taken into account when evaluating the rhetoric that formed the basis of the government’s case.”

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Stein’s attorneys said their client got caught up in the anti-Muslim information he was devouring online. His knowledge of the Quran, his attorneys wrote, “came directly from the internet and conservative talk-show hosts such as Sean Hannity and Michael Savage. Patrick himself had never read the Quran, nor had he participated in a comparative study of any religion.”

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Ryan Reilly is HuffPost’s senior justice reporter covering the Justice Department, federal law enforcement, criminal justice and legal affairs. Have a tip? Reach him at ryan.reilly@huffpost.com or on Signal at 202-527-9261.




Read more: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kansas-terror-plot-trump-anti-muslim_us_5bd742ebe4b055bc948ef751



A large collection of hate literature these guys used and passed around are at the link. Dismal crap. They shouldn't get any breaks and cheetolini needs to be held culpable.

A tip of the hat to Don Viejo.
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Trump Fan Convicted In Anti-Muslim Terror Plot Asks Judge To Consider Trump's Rhetoric (Original Post) marble falls Oct 2018 OP
Wait, a trump fan is willing to blame trump?!? The Liberal Lion Oct 2018 #1
Ain't it grand! I can not wait for cheetolini's spin. marble falls Oct 2018 #2
No surprise Midnightwalk Oct 2018 #4
Sounds more like he is trying to shift the blame for his own choices in order cstanleytech Oct 2018 #11
Maybe cannabis_flower Oct 2018 #17
His attorneys made the argument. He may ... Whiskeytide Oct 2018 #20
LOL ck4829 Oct 2018 #23
The Court should consider it. riversedge Oct 2018 #3
THIS--Ab. So. LUTELY. slumcamper Oct 2018 #8
They held a radio show host ... cannabis_flower Oct 2018 #18
If only to build a case for suing Sean Hannity... JohnnyRingo Oct 2018 #9
Hmmm... Perhaps, but then again, we need to remember ck4829 Oct 2018 #24
Fake news! ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #5
Sure, consider it and throw the book at him: 'You and EVERYONE should know better. elleng Oct 2018 #6
+1 ck4829 Oct 2018 #25
No. jmowreader Oct 2018 #7
I am not optimistic about this legal theory. TomSlick Oct 2018 #10
It won't work, but I hope they make a lot of noise trying to foist it on the judge. marble falls Oct 2018 #13
I appear before judges that wouldn't allow much time to be spent in the attempt. TomSlick Oct 2018 #15
But I thought they are the party of personal responsibility! nt dflprincess Oct 2018 #12
They are, it's the the personal responsibility of someone/anyone else. marble falls Oct 2018 #14
Exactly this, marble falls. Always. n/t susanna Oct 2018 #21
Boom! Called it. ck4829 Oct 2018 #26
They feel bad about it, but thats why they have to vote against pre-existing ... marble falls Oct 2018 #28
Right uo tgere with the twinkee defence. nt reACTIONary Oct 2018 #16
This isn't Borowitz? The Onion? AwakeAtLast Oct 2018 #19
Nope ck4829 Oct 2018 #22
Trump called people from many countries "animals" in 2016 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #27
Proving that it may take one, but that, that one can't necessarily point out ... marble falls Oct 2018 #29
The first MAGABomber ck4829 Oct 2018 #30

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
4. No surprise
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:29 PM
Oct 2018

Fits the profile. He was convicted and is looking to reduce sentence so he threw trump under the bus.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
11. Sounds more like he is trying to shift the blame for his own choices in order
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 09:11 PM
Oct 2018

to try and escape some of the consequences for them.

Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
20. His attorneys made the argument. He may ...
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 12:22 AM
Oct 2018

... or may not necessarily agree with it, but is ok with it in the hopes it lessens his responsibility.

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
8. THIS--Ab. So. LUTELY.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:45 PM
Oct 2018

Legal defenses predicated on the pernicious influence of incendiary media in inciting violence, if successful, will open an avenue for challenging that media and holding them accountable, financially and criminally.

This is what needs to happen for us to get a societal foothold on the neck of the REAL "fake news."

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
18. They held a radio show host ...
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 10:15 PM
Oct 2018

accountable in Rwanda. He was saying that Tutsies were cockroaches that needed to be exterminated.

JohnnyRingo

(18,633 posts)
9. If only to build a case for suing Sean Hannity...
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:58 PM
Oct 2018

...out of existence.

I still believe it's coming that a radical points to a right wing radio or TV show as the reason they murdered. The following lawsuits will change hate radio forever.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
24. Hmmm... Perhaps, but then again, we need to remember
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:35 AM
Oct 2018

This man was planning on being a footsoldier for a right wing war.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
5. Fake news!
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:34 PM
Oct 2018

He was a Soros plant. He wasn't acting on my behalf, nothing to connect me to him. He's obviously deranged and needs mental health help.
Faux Nooze: He didn't own a MAGAhat!

When the living fuck does it end? Well, hopefully on the 6th something will change.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
7. No.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:44 PM
Oct 2018

By the time you reach adulthood, you are expected to know the difference between right and wrong. Killing people because you don't like the church they go to is always wrong.

If you want to blame Hannity and Savage for this guy's actions, fine. Indict them as co-conspirators and throw them in prison too.

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
10. I am not optimistic about this legal theory.
Mon Oct 29, 2018, 08:59 PM
Oct 2018

"But judge, the President is a Nazi so it is my patriotic duty to be a Nazi" doesn't sound like a good argument to me.

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
28. They feel bad about it, but thats why they have to vote against pre-existing ...
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:57 AM
Oct 2018

conditions. Its really out of their hands.

AwakeAtLast

(14,130 posts)
19. This isn't Borowitz? The Onion?
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 12:03 AM
Oct 2018

Holy MF God Almighty. I think there is a cold front sweeping through Hell right now!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,319 posts)
27. Trump called people from many countries "animals" in 2016
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:40 AM
Oct 2018
According to Agence France-Presse, the Republican Party presidential bet Donald Trump strengthened his fight against immigrants in his rally in Portland, Maine on Thursday (Aug. 4). “We are letting people come in from terrorist nations that shouldn’t be allowed because you can’t vet them,” said Trump. He then named these countries as Afghanistan, Iraq, Morocco, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria, Uzbekistan, Yemen and the Philippines, and piped up, “We’re dealing with animals.”

Read more at https://www.philstar.com/business/2016/08/12/1612471/trump-filipinos-are-terrorists-and-animals#CwRwOmIWqEhlvoWo.99

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
29. Proving that it may take one, but that, that one can't necessarily point out ...
Tue Oct 30, 2018, 09:11 AM
Oct 2018

another one successfully.

You'd think these 'nationalists' who by and large are out of the melting pot themselves could understand that people who risk death coming here to work and be educated, who know first hand leaders who make cheetolini seem benevolent would make good productive US citizens.

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