UPDATE: Explosive Devices Found in Mail Sent to Hillary Clinton and Obama
Source: New York Times
Two explosive devices were found in mail sent to the offices of former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a law enforcement official said Wednesday.
The devices were similar to one found on Monday at the home of the billionaire philanthropist George Soros, the official said. One device was found on Wednesday morning by a technician who screens mail for the office of Hillary Clinton, a law enforcement official said.
A second similar device was sent to the office of former President Barack Obama.
It was not immediately clear where the devices sent to the Clinton and Obama offices were found.
Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html
Sigh. The crazies are out and it's a full moon.
Story has been updated above - original story and headline -
An explosive device was found on Wednesday morning by a technician who screens mail for Bill and Hillary Clinton, who live in a suburb of New York City, a law enforcement official said.
The official said the device was similar to one found at the home of billionaire philanthropist George Soros on Monday. It was not immediately clear where the device was found.
Mr. Soros's home is also in a suburb north of New York City. That device was constructed from a length of pipe about six inches long filled with explosive powder, and it was "proactively detonated" by bomb squad technicians, according to one of the officials, all of whom were briefed on the investigation.
The motive of the would-be Soros bomber or bombers remained unclear, one of the officials said, adding that there had not yet been any claim of responsibility.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/explosive-device-clintons-mail.html
riversedge
(70,245 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Trumpholes hard at work....
Bigredhunk
(1,351 posts)Jesus.
Find this person and bury him under the prison.
PatSeg
(47,512 posts)of this madness and shut him up. Trump is the primary cause of the hate and insanity. He won't take responsibility of course, but I wonder if privately he is thrilled whenever things like this happen.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)and WE foot the bill for all his travels!! How aggravating is THAT? He loves all the attention, thinks he is a "star" Time to call a spade a spade, and lay the blame for the violence at his tiny little feet. Someone throws McConnell's doggie bag into the street, and everyone is upset. Send explosive devices to democratic members, and nothing is said. Must be the "angry mobs" from the (D) party. I LOATHE tRump and everyone connected to his orange arse. Most worthless human being to EVER inhabit the WH.
PatSeg
(47,512 posts)to see his words materialize as real life violence. He strikes me as that kind of person.
calimary
(81,323 posts)somebody in the White House (Bill Shine? Stephen Miller?) or even trump himself engineered this TO DISTRACT. While trump is up to something they dont want anybody to notice.
Malcolm Nance says its an intimidation campaign. To intimidate THIS audience. Which could well mean the folks on the inside (the hated Democratic nemeses and the trump-labeled enemy of the people ie: the press. Reporters. Journalists. Like Jamal Khashoggi).
I think either - or both - are true.
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)Nah...work alone sending pipe bombs to Democrats.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)you know, asking somebody to politely leave a restaurant is just as bad as bombing George Soros or the Clintons.
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)is the "same as" someone who leaves an explosive device at the residence of a former President of the United States.
ZeroSomeBrains
(638 posts)The media always pretend like "both sides" are creating violence because of someone shouting at ted cruz in a restaurant but when president obama and president clinton and hillary and george soros get bombs sent to them then they shrug it off as though it's equally abhorrent. Sending bombs to someone is not the same thing as making someone feel uncomfortable at a restaurant.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)In a restaurant.
But Dems do not commit attempted murder; we do not put bombs, real or fake, in mailboxes.
riversedge
(70,245 posts)I hold Trump and his constant Lock her up rally crowds responsible for this--along with RW hate media.
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Matthew Miller
?Verified account @matthewamiller
8m8 minutes ago
Matthew Miller Retweeted Clifford Levy
Two bombs in two days targeting prominent Democrats. This is terrorism, and I hope the FBI, ATF and the rest of law enforcement can catch the bomber quickly, because someone is going to be seriously injured or killed if not.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)(I wouldn't put it past him since NY is his stomping grounds)
Initech
(100,081 posts)Liberalhammer
(576 posts)Id imagine most Republicans support this, as long as they are the terrorists.
malaise
(269,063 posts)Don the Con and his goons
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)I don't usually see you in my forum hangout!
malaise
(269,063 posts)My fondest wish.
bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)I thought the USPS spent lots of money on mail screening technology, like x-rays or something like that.
This is terrorism, and an indication that someone wants or intends to take the country by fear and force.
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)notably in D.C. & NYC and also in most if not all government facilities.
Apparently the Soros one was "hand delivered" and it was mentioned that the Obama one was intercepted in D.C. I expect the Clinton ones are handled at either a private facility or at a special postal facility with a special precautions setup, where it was noted a "tech" discovered it.
Because of the continual "powder" mailings happening since 2001, certain folks never get "direct" mail unless some unauthorized individual sticks it in their mailbox.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)There are so many security cameras around that whoever placed the package in Soros' mailbox will be ID'd.
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)apparently one of his workers found it and then moved it to some woods and called authorities. I suppose Soros will need to implement some better protocols for his employees, although I expect he is probably exasperated at the ridiculousness of being a perpetual "boogie man" to the RW nuts.
Meanwhile no one hears of similar stuff mailed to the Kochs.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)And there will also be cameras along the road or at other residences nearby. The time period will be fairly easy to estimate as well so investigators won't to look through days and days of camera footage.
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)as he found himself in a dangerous situation.
When I was hunting around, I saw links for private mail/package screening services and I expect he will need to just do that for everything and have someone pick up mail and packages and ditch any "external" mailbox (if that is actually where it was found).
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)first class mail, which could be large envelopes, is guarded against inspection. i.e. the post office doesn't have the legal right to inspect.
they can inspect packages, but not if they were shipped as first class, only priority/next day.
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)notably if it is addressed to VIPs like former first families, etc. They do these offsite at special facilities that have xray machines and possibly other scanning devices. This is how whatever was mailed to Obama was intercepted.
The fact that in 2001 anthrax-laden envelopes exploded in sorting machines in postal handling facilities in NJ spreading it all over the facility, was why changes were made, including screening for biohazards (anthrax and ricin for example).
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)Watch out for horse heads in your beds, folks......
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)a horse's ASS in the WH.
lark
(23,121 posts)Ultimately,, this is drumpf's fault. All that talk of lock her up, he's from Kenya, he's funding the caravan has incited his most base followers to action to destroy "their enemies". drumpf does this on purpose, he wants them to be hurt, and I bet he clapped his tiny little orange hands and his big fat orange belly jiggled from him jumping up and down with glee. He's just that sophomoric and murderous and his minions are just as bad.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)WTF is the FBI gonna run down these right wing terrorist bastards!!!???
I'm sure the Trump administration will get right on that!
I think they are waiting for George Soros and the Clintons/Obamas to get blown to bits first!
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)the RWNJ's did it, right?
*Edited to add that an explosive device was also allegedly sent to the WH so who the hell knows what is happening...
*Edited to coreect note that a suspicious package was sent to the WH. Both sides DO NOT do this.
BigGermanGuy
(131 posts)fbi just said there was no package to WH, only Obama, Clinton, and cnn.
someone planted that narrative to make it look like "both sides"
ck4829
(35,077 posts)MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)Thank you for the reminder!!
ck4829
(35,077 posts)'"Terrorism" is what the other does', a statement all but explicitly drilled into our heads... so this bomber does not see himself as a terrorist at all.
MontanaMama
(23,322 posts)And back to the word "terrorism" which is so often not used when a white American commits it - I am hearing right now (and you probably are too) officials in NYC state that this is, without a doubt, terrorism. I am relieved to hear it especially if this ends up being a Faux watching, tRump loving deplorable with a Facebook, Twitter account trail to prove it. It is on the record now.
Botany
(70,521 posts)... liberals might seem like a good idea in "fighting for freedom."
bucolic_frolic
(43,196 posts)If we still have LE that is functioning, and I think we do, they will do something about this
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)in 3...2...1...
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Even the RWNJs up in Canada are already spewing that garbage.
Jedi Guy
(3,194 posts)Every time something happens to a GOP figure, there are plenty of comments right here on DU about false flags. Go back and look at the thread about the guy shouting at the Turtle in that restaurant the other day, and you'll see those comments.
No one wants to accept that there are assholes or violent assholes on their side of the political fence, but that's the truth. The right definitely has a much worse problem with it, though.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)This isn't going to end well I'm afraid. Never in my life have I witnessed such irresponsible, dangerous instigation of and complicity in violence by those who hold power in our nation. We need to take these people down.
GOTV or else!
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)benld74
(9,904 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)that anyone who is determined to have incited this nutjob into sending bombs to Soros/Clintons/Obama/CNN WILL be prosecuted as accessories to attempted murder. Period. That goes for Trump, Hannity, Ingraham, Trump45 PAC, all politicians who have appeared at Trump campaign rallies and any other rw'ers espousing violence.
elmac
(4,642 posts)Bengus81
(6,931 posts)ffr
(22,671 posts)You watch Fox, this is the kind of sick thoughts you dream up in your brain.
It's a cancer on all of us, until they're forced to take hate speech out of their format.
pwb
(11,276 posts)Who could have stirred this pot? I wonder?
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)scary times; I hope our polling places are safe and secure.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Dutchman99
(4 posts)After two years of hate and invective, the 2nd American Civil War has officially begun. If Trump did not explicitly (and who knows?) order these bomb delvieries, he certainly is implicitly responsible. Be safe and be prepared, the war has just begun.
hostalover
(447 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)and at some point you will probably see "copy cat" stuff.
mainer
(12,022 posts)They've evacuated. However, the building also houses a branch of Kamala Harris's campaign offices.
Link to tweet
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Credit to Farker "Halfabee64" for the nickname, but I think it fits.
Well, I can't wait for Faux News to explain to me how a) this is Obama's fault, b) it definitely isn't D2S' fault, c) it's a lone wolf and in no way representative of conservatism, and/or d) it's a false-flag operation.
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)for finding that!
Vinca
(50,279 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)He should , and he could be behind anything . He's terrorizing this country and the world. Remember putin did this to higher ups in russia too before he was at the top, and had people bombing apartment building killing people for him to look better with.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)if these are actual explosive devices, pretend explosive devices, or "suspicious" packages. It brings to mind an incident someone I worked with was involved in where this person made a huge deal out of a suspicious package during a mill strike, complete with evacuations, ATF and the whole nine that turned out to be two six packs in a paper bag mailed between the union lawyer and the management lawyer to settle a bet.
Not saying this is in settlement of a bet, but there's a big difference between a suspicious package(s) and a Ted Kaczynski bomb. Speaking of Ted, what's he been up to lately?
BumRushDaShow
(129,131 posts)I haven't heard any analysis reports on them yet and that may take some time unless they are obvious "duds". They have to do meticulous forensics on this stuff first in any case so that they can gather evidence for federal crime charges.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor.
...
That device sent to CNN was constructed from a length of pipe a little longer than six inches and wrapped in black tape with what appeared to be epoxy on the ends, according to a person who has seen a photograph of it. What could be a timer was attached to the side of the pipe and wires were visible at both ends. Like the bomb sent to Mr. Soross home, the envelope it arrived in was roughly 5-by-8 inches and had a printed white address label and half a dozen first-class postage stamps affixed to the outside.
On Wednesday afternoon, New York Citys police commissioner, James P. ONeill, said the CNN bomb was a live explosive device. He also said there was a white powder in the envelope that was being investigated.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html
RobinA
(9,894 posts)a "suspicious package" that could have been anything or nothing. That was my basic question.