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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 10:04 PM Oct 2018

The FBI is looking at the Manhattan DA's office over potential undue influence in handling of cases

Source: NY Daily News

In another case, the DA also failed to bring criminal charges against two of President Trump’s children in an alleged real estate scam.

Vance’s office cleared daughter Ivanka Trump and son Donald Trump Jr., who were being looked at for allegedly defrauding Trump SoHo investors and would-be buyers by lying about the number of condos that had been sold.

In 2012, Vance met with an attorney for the pair, Marc Kasowitz, who had previously given him $25,000. An additional $32,000 was donated after the office declined to prosecute Ivanka and Trump Jr.

Read more: https://nydn.us/2CMHLKb

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The FBI is looking at the Manhattan DA's office over potential undue influence in handling of cases (Original Post) Roland99 Oct 2018 OP
Yes! All this could have been nipped in the bud in NYC. deurbano Oct 2018 #1
New Yorkers! Mopar151 Oct 2018 #2
What? Me. Oct 2018 #4
The ones I encounter have a unique view of the universe. Mopar151 Oct 2018 #9
Wow.... Nice Generalizing Me. Oct 2018 #10
Hardly. Direct experience. Mopar151 Oct 2018 #11
So You Have Dealt Wih All 8 + Mil Me. Oct 2018 #12
Eyes rolling Blackjackdavey Oct 2018 #15
With every state permit in hand, state fees paid! Mopar151 Oct 2018 #16
I think you're missing the point Blackjackdavey Oct 2018 #18
The "unwelcomers" are in the vast minority. Mopar151 Oct 2018 #20
Direct experience is called 'anecdotal evidence' when applied to an unsupported allegation. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #17
... jpak Oct 2018 #19
Yep-R! n/t Mopar151 Oct 2018 #22
Logical flaw: Manhattan DA is job 4 life, contributions mean nothing Cicada Oct 2018 #3
This is somewhat simplistic. djg21 Oct 2018 #5
Not prosecuting Ivanka reduces his odds of reelection, much worse than losing a contribution Cicada Oct 2018 #6
We don't disagree. djg21 Oct 2018 #7
He was just elected to his 3rd 4 yr term Izzy Blue Oct 2018 #14
Puhhhllleeeaaassseee - ain't this rich laserhaas Oct 2018 #8
How about looking at Florida? QED Oct 2018 #13
tell me again how we are all equal in the eyes of the law..... dembotoz Oct 2018 #21

Mopar151

(9,997 posts)
2. New Yorkers!
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 10:21 PM
Oct 2018

Think that if they have NYC wired, than the rest of the country will be EZ. The rest of the country ain't so sure....

Mopar151

(9,997 posts)
9. The ones I encounter have a unique view of the universe.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 12:11 PM
Oct 2018

Which seems to start with the rest of us (supposedly) being a bunch of hayseed losers who just don't get it.

Mopar151

(9,997 posts)
11. Hardly. Direct experience.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 03:31 PM
Oct 2018

One of the venues that our hillclimb series runs at is Okemo Mountain, who have skillfully marketed condominiums to the NY Metro market. The New Yorkers are on a whole other level of oblivious cluelessness. We've had whole families removed by the cops, and our communications cut by an overwrought dog walker.
I particularly enjoy the looks of seething hate from the front seats of EuroSnobUV's when they roll through the "hot" side of the pits.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
12. So You Have Dealt Wih All 8 + Mil
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 06:07 PM
Oct 2018

Actually, I'm wondering if it was you and you alone they took exception to

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
15. Eyes rolling
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 04:56 PM
Oct 2018

Let me get this straight. You go tear-assing up a mountain on narrow winding roads where other people own property and you're taken aback when people in the vicinity look askance at your crew? Do I have that right? I am a year round Adirondack New Yorker and that does indeed sound like the kind of nonsense I deal with on every nice summer day in my otherwise quiet, rural hood. While I admit there are plenty of downstaters who lack self awareness but in this case, just saying, it might be you...

Mopar151

(9,997 posts)
16. With every state permit in hand, state fees paid!
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 06:06 PM
Oct 2018

All insured legal, on closed premises, The roads were built by the CCC as tourist attractions, and are in state parks or forests. Okemo Mtn. Corp. leases land in the Okemo State Forest for their ski trails. We obtain a special use permit from Vt. Forests & Parks, with a significant fee and damage bond requirements. And all of this can only take place with the full cooperation of Okemo Mtn. (our "Pits" are the A parking lot), and the town of Ludlow, Vt. We just celebrated our 50th anniversary at Okemo.

Does "that kind of nonsense" include blocking the Keene, NY Fire department from putting on their historic hillclimb? 'Cuz that's been done......
Or maybe you'd like to be the gadfly who got himself arrested, after his attempts to evict us from Burke Mtn. (Climbed competitively since 1956) with a Db meter and a bogus noise ordinance were thwarted?

Local folks are pretty much with us - some of them are us, and we generally try to be good company anyway. Our race control is quite strict - we will not run a car with a spectator (our "nice" term for wandering idiots) even near the course. I often work the "Ogre Spot", at Okemo and Burke, where there are trails or condos relatively close to the road - a "Spectator Control".

The people who "look askance" at us, sometimes get fiesty enough to demand the event be stopped, by hiking into the restricted area and refusing to leave. Last time, it took a resort manager to persuade them of our legitimacy. We've also been regularly threatened with arrest and lawsuit, by the sort of people who do that.

Blackjackdavey

(178 posts)
18. I think you're missing the point
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 01:05 PM
Oct 2018

It isn't about whether your activities are legit, legal or even "historic." Many people live year round in the places you have mentioned to get away from noise, crowds and cars. When the "visitors" come to recreate it is often at the expense of the above and without regard to the locals and their values (you describe many organized efforts to address that, I'm hearing you.) You may be legit, I don't question that, nor in fact do I begrudge your choice of hobby -- enjoy yourself, that's cool. You just shouldn't be surprised when the activities you mention are not welcomed with open arms by everybody in the neighborhood.

Mopar151

(9,997 posts)
20. The "unwelcomers" are in the vast minority.
Fri Oct 19, 2018, 02:58 PM
Oct 2018

To be fair, the hyper-entitled mountain bikers who want to play tag with race cars are from the Montreal 'burbs. I only know this because "Ranger Mike" cancelled their trail passes (Kingdom Trails), and told me they are his #1 plague.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
3. Logical flaw: Manhattan DA is job 4 life, contributions mean nothing
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 10:29 PM
Oct 2018

The last time an incumbent lost was more than a century ago I think. The implication Vance passed because their lawyer contributed to his campaign is absurd imo. He may be corrupt, but a contribution is extremely unlikely to be a cause.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
5. This is somewhat simplistic.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 07:16 AM
Oct 2018

It presumes that (1) Vance will be unopposed in his next election, and (2) he has no aspirations to run for higher office in the future. While it’s not happened in a long time, Vance could see a challenger, especially if he is muddied. And under NY Election Law. contributions raised by Vance’s committee can be transferred to a new committee he forms to run for another state of federal office.

That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump ordered this, like the raid on the mayor of San Juan, as payback or as a preemptive strike in anticipation of criminal charges that Vance’s office could bring. Trump is acting more and more like a fascist autocrat.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
6. Not prosecuting Ivanka reduces his odds of reelection, much worse than losing a contribution
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 07:33 AM
Oct 2018

The implication Vance passed on Ivanka because he might lose a future contribution makes no sense. The only ways he can possibly lose reelection are to be found in bed with a dead woman or make democrats angry because he chooses not to prosecute someone named Trump. The political cost of not prosecuting a Trump is a hundred times greater than The loss of any possible campaign contribution. It is political poison to not prosecute. Therefore he did not pass in prosecuting for political gain. It just didn’t happen. Sending a Trump to jail would make him the front runner for the 2020 presidential nomination. It would make him the most loved democrat since Jesus Christ.

 

djg21

(1,803 posts)
7. We don't disagree.
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 10:24 AM
Oct 2018

I don’t think Ivanka is the issue, though I’d love to see that come out. I start with the premise that the FBI investigation has been initiated at Trump’s request, as a means of either destroying a political rival or retaliating against Vance for some perceived slight. It doesn’t make sense that the investigation would be ordered if it would impugn Trump or any of Trump’s family members or minions. Even if not directed by Trump, I don’t imagine that Sessions would allow the investigation to proceed if it could taint the Trump family.

If this is Trump going after political rivals, I would not be surprised if Governor Cuomo is next up, and the US Atty for the SDNY tries to indict him for the Crystal Run stuff.

 

Izzy Blue

(282 posts)
14. He was just elected to his 3rd 4 yr term
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 12:34 AM
Oct 2018

Contributions mean everything, he's a politician

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"Cyrus Vance Jr. is the Democratic district attorney of Manhattan Borough, New York. First elected in 2009, Vance won a new term in the general election on Nov 7,2017

QED

(2,749 posts)
13. How about looking at Florida?
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 09:45 PM
Oct 2018

When Bondi dropped an investigation into Maralogo after a campaign contribution.

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