Warren releases results of DNA test

[mobeau69]

Source: The Boston Globe

WASHINGTON — Senator Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test that provides “strong evidence’’ she had a Native American in her family tree dating back 6 to 10 generations, an unprecedented move by one of the top possible contenders for the 2020 Democratic nomination for president.

Warren, whose claims to Native American blood have been mocked by President Trump and other Republicans, provided the test results to the Globe on Sunday in an effort to defuse questions about her ancestry that have persisted for years. She planned an elaborate rollout Monday of the results as she aimed for widespread attention.

The analysis of Warren’s DNA was done by Carlos D. Bustamante, a Stanford University professor and expert in the field who won a 2010 MacArthur fellowship, also known as a genius grant, for his work on tracking population migration via DNA analysis.

He concluded that “the vast majority” of Warren’s ancestry is European, but he added that “the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor.”

Read more: https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2018/10/15/warren-addresses-native-american-issue/YEUaGzsefB0gPBe2AbmSVO/story.html

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[MFM008]

1. Do you think the maggot

Cares about science stuff?

[safeinOhio]

2. Won't show his taxes.

Good for her.

[mgardener]

21. I hope she shames him

She stepped up.
Let Trump do the same.

We should all SHAME him!!!

[DemocracyMouse]

58. She's smart. She pivoted off his baffoonery and landed a major score

(Except to the 25% of the population who are suffering from coiled neurons)

[spooky3]

38. Yes; he will brag that he forced her to tell the truth

And mock the small percentage.

[True Blue American]

81. Trump just denied he ever said that about the $1

Million. He said it on the lawn of the WH!

[Initech]

87. Doesn't matter. He's such a fucking psychopath that he'll put a negative spin on anything she does.

[Takket]

3. I'm sure this will placate drumpf and the deplorables

Just like Obama showing his birth certificate did.

[Rhiannon12866]

4. Someone needs to read this to Trump since we know he never reads anything for himself.

[mucifer]

5. going back 6 to 10 generations really does indicate a tiny tiny amount but ok.

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I wonder if most people whose families go that far back in north America have traces of Native American ancestry.

[scarletlib]

19. Unfortunately, no.

Some of my ancestors go back to pre-Revolutionary War time. Our DNA check revealed no Native American genes. I was deeply disappointed.

[MichMan]

69. Why deeply disapponted ?

Seems like an odd thing to be disappointed about?

[scarletlib]

94. Because I had hoped that after 200+ years in this country

that some of my ancestry would include Native American or or African American.

[Arkansas Granny]

22. My dad's family lived in Oklahoma for many years. He was born there.

Like Senator Warren, I have been told all my life that we had Native American ancestry. My dad and many other family members had facial features that looked Native American.

On a whim, my sister had a DNA test. Surprise, surprise! We are 97% Northern European and 3% sub-Saharan African.

I had always believed Senator Warren, but this revelation won't stop Trump's attacks and name calling.

[NewJeffCT]

39. agreed

Trump will now feel justified in calling her "Pocahontas"

[TexasBushwhacker]

63. Similar story here

Supposedly one of my great grandmothers was Cherokee. I think anyone with roots in Oklahoma grows up being told they are part of the tribe. How many actually are is probably less.

[diane in sf]

86. You may well have Native America ancestry, it may just be too dilute to show up in a DNA test.

Every generation is a genetic toss of the dice.

[LuvNewcastle]

37. Yes, he's just going to say that it isn't enough.

My great-grandmother told me that her grandmother was Choctaw, so I guess I have about as much Indian ancestry as Sen. Warren. A lot of Americans have a little bit of Indian ancestry. Some have black ancestry and it was passed down in the family that it was Indian ancestry instead that accounted for some darker complexions and black hair. I really wonder about how accurate these tests really are. I'm glad Sen. Warren had it done, though. I would support her candidacy for President, and I think this test might shut some people down who try to call her a liar.

[True Blue American]

41. My Husbands Family

Goes back to the 1600’s. DNA tests showed Cherokee blood. Further reserach on the Internet found his picture, the family member he married, taking her name. They were not allowed to buy a house then.

You can take further tests that show just what generation.

[Qutzupalotl]

59. These people believe one drop of blood can make you nonwhite.

They’re obsessed with “racial purity” that way. Granted, they do it to shun anyone with African ancestry but might brag about a Native American in their family tree. Intellectual consistency would be asking a lot of them.

[True Blue American]

80. The people I am talking about

Are 100% Democrats! And, no they did not feel that way!

[Qutzupalotl]

84. I was replying to mucifer's post above. n/t

[SunSeeker]

74. The point is Warren is indeed part Native American. Why are you trying to diminish that?

The percentage is in keeping with what she was told by her family about her Native American relative.

So what if it is a "tiny tiny" percentage. It's still a percentage, proving her family was telling her the truth.

[Deb]

6. She got caught up in his game? I am so disappointed.

[murielm99]

25. I agree.

She should have ignored the orange abomination.

[Cousin Dupree]

27. I agree. Bad move

[True Blue American]

42. No,it was not a bad move

Now she can laugh at him. Just one more lie exposed.

[SunSeeker]

75. Totally agree. nt

[Cousin Dupree]

79. The only was to deal with a bully is to ignore him. She doesn't owe him any explanations either

[Submariner]

34. This so called game started with Howie Carr

a Boston hate radio jock and tabloid opinion writer with the Boston Herald.

Carr turned Trump in to this Pocahontas name calling. Now the racist attacks can be put to rest.

[Deb]

47. Now the racists will continue to call her names and point to her DNA as proof.

[qazplm135]

53. tells me she's running

she figures if she doesn't get out in front of this, it will be an effective attack in a race against Trump...only reason to do this.

[Kali]

16. what are you saying?

she didn't "claim ancestry for a job" - that is a bull shit right-wing talking point

[7962]

26. She listed herself as a "minority" in the Association of American Law Schools directory.

Harvard listed her as a Native American. Obviously they based this on her information.
NONE of that is a "right wing talking point", its true. CNN even did s story on it, not Fox.
RW talking points are made up crap like birtherism & most things Clinton related.
But trust me, the GOP & the wing nuts will damn sure use the above info should she run for president in '20.

[Kali]

66. it wasn't for a job, it was background info and look! it was true

I didn't alert, but to be honest I though about it, I see I was not alone. the claim she got a position because of it is right wing bullshit.

[LanternWaste]

72. Bless your little heart for digging in on this one.

You're pretty much doing nothing other than advertising your own narrative.

Ironic, huh?

[JI7]

18. she isn't claiming any ancestry for a job

[leftynyc]

23. When has she ever done that?

On the other hand, the House majority leader - a republican - is very recently in the news for doing that very thing:

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-na-pol-mccarthy-contracts-20181014-story.html

[FloridaBlues]

8. Maybe she really wanted to know herself and to shut up republicans

[mobeau69]

11. IMO she was going to release the results one way or the other and

address them publicly to put this "matter" to rest.

[Vinca]

9. If Trump dares bring up his slur again, it will backfire anyway given the McCarthy

family story. Warren never got $7 million in government subsidies based on a claim of being Native American.

[pdsimdars]

10. I think she should call HIM out, like maybe say it's time he released his tax information

[mobeau69]

12. BINGO

[Kali]

17. and put up that .million

ugly orange racist fuck

[FM123]

77. Yes! Put up that one million dollars!

Now, that orange idiot is denying that he said that...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics/donald-trump-elizabeth-warren-dna-1-million/index.html

[7962]

28. If the Dems take back the House, I believe they'll get his returns.

At least I think they will figure out how to get them. Now releasing them to the public is another matter

[True Blue American]

83. Not to worry

Cable news is having a heyday with this one!

[duforsure]

13. trumps a serial liar

It won't matter what she does he'll now claim he got her to do this, and repeat it at his support my legal funding rally's he'll skim from for himself campaign.

[Achilleaze]

14. So shut up your lying mouth, Dirty Donny* (R)

republicans and their damn lies.


* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

[Raven123]

15. Good move. He's won't release his taxes because they'll show he's more Russian than she is Native Am

[padah513]

20. Good one!

[Cicada]

24. Did my mom lie to me? Scientific reason why dnavtests can miss native background

My mom said her grandfather was full blood Choctaw, died at 86 with jet black hair. Ancestry came back negative. But my wife says she saw abyou tube video that dna can miss it, if your native ancestor had any non native ancestor. She said there was a bunch of science nerd stuff so she stopped watching. Conservatives will claim fix is in because her report is from a science guy not a standard firm.

[samnsara]

31. same here!!!!!

..it broke my moms heart....

[d_r]

36. Yes

One can have native American ancestry and it not show on DNA test

[RobinA]

45. Well, We Don't Have

genetic material from every single person on our family tree. You can have a full-blooded [person] a couple generations back and have nothing from them genetically. Depends on gender and who got what genes before you. The Devil is in the science nerd details.

[yuiyoshida]

61. I have no doubt that my family

Has native Hawaiian roots, aka Polynesian. I know our family's history, of the Yoshida's coming to Hawaii to work in the Sugar Cane fields... and inter-marrying with real Native Hawaiians. People have told me I don't look Japanese and my skin is way too dark to be Japanese. They say, "Yeah,you look Asian, maybe you are Mongolian or something.." but No.. the name Yoshida is Japanese and my great Grandfather was a "Kahuna" .. and our family was shielded by Native Hawaiian's during World War II. None of my family were interned like other Japanese families. We may have been Yoshida, but we were Hawaiians too.. so no one in my family were ever interned during that period of time.

[JuJuYoshida]

62. what a wonderful heritage love and you are beautiful!

[WePurrsevere]

67. I posted about this with links to some good info in a different thread...

About Trump telling her to take the test and he'd donate $1million to her favourite charity (he's since backed out... of course)....
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=515514

[samnsara]

29. hmmm so this may be ahead of a Prez run...or vp?...

[helpisontheway]

52. Yeah..maybe she would be better as a vp candidate

She knows how to get under his skon. She is not afraid to go after him. Whereas the candidate needs to stay above the fray and communicate what they would do. Let the orange one sling mud.

[mucifer]

30. The video in the article:

[IronLionZion]

35. That's a powerful video

thanks for sharing

[Achilleaze]

43. Dirty Donny* - the republican liar - now owes $1 million to her designated charity

Unless of course, he acts like a republican, can't handle losing and being exposed as a liar, and instead pisses on his debt and like a coward runs away from his reponsibility to pay.

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

[LovingA2andMI]

46. Powerful Video

Thank you Senator Warren for sharing your family's history with us -- which is something to be most proud of.

[SunSeeker]

70. Great video!

[riversedge]

92. We all need to pass this around REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT

[Freethinker65]

32. Today would be a good day for Trump to release his entire tax records

[PaddyIrishman]

33. No day would be a good day for Trump to release his entire tax records

It would never be good for him, whatever about the rest of us.

[panfluteman]

40. This Just Seems to Be the Latest Version or Incarnation of Birtherism by the GOP

Adapted to the particular case at hand. Her birth in the US cannot be questioned, so go after her by making disparaging remarks about her ancestry and ethnicity. Trump's 2016 campaign, both in the primaries against his GOP rivals as well as in the general election campaign, was 90 percent smear job and only 10 percent on the issues - if that.

[watoos]

44. Someone should challenge Trump

whether he went to Wharton Business college, as he claims, I don't think he did, I think he just went to undergraduate school. One of his professors called him the dumbest student he ever had. I think Trump should be forced to produce his college diploma, I'm not sure he even graduated, if he did, certainly not first in his class.

[LovingA2andMI]

48. Agree....

As there are HUGE questions if he even graduated. Also, the Wharton Business College Trump attended was a extended campus version (not the original).

[Timmygoat]

49. Now I would like to see Trump's DNA test

I know there has got to be a connection to Adolph Hitler in there somewhere. His grandfather was not born here, in fact he seems to be undocumented!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

50. Why did she drag this out for years?

Bad handling of the whole matter. She could have put this nontroversy away during the campaign with Brown, but let it linger for six years.

I like her voting record, but she's kind of boneheaded, campaign-wise, and would be a terrible candidate.

She also stupidly signed onto Donna Brazille's fanfic about the primaries being rigged, thinking it would win her Bernie or Bust points. It just made her look idiotic.

Warren isnt ready for primetime or a presidential campaign and would be eaten alive if she were the nominee.

[mobeau69]

91. Obama could've gotten the long form sooner to but

why do that to dump's satisfaction when you've published the one legal in all 50 states.

Same difference.

[helpisontheway]

51. Well..I guess she is definitely running...

I’m not sure how I feel about this.. I like how she doesn’t take shit from Trump. However, I’m worried that she will not be able to get independent votes. Right now a lot of independents are turned off to Trump. However, will they view Warren as a far left liberal and tie her to someone like Pelosi??? I think she would definitely motivate the democratic base. However, do we need a voice like hers to remain in the senate fighting for us??? Then we all know Trump likes someone he can fight with and mock. He would enjoy going after Warren...And I don’t want that @sshole to enjoy anything. I’m really unsure about this one...

[elmac]

54. I just hope she doesn't fall into the GOP, Party Of Putins "prove your a citizen" trap

like President Obama had to endure. Just tell them to fuck off and move on, this is a smear tactic that should be countered with smear tactics of our own. Lets get nasty with these fascists.

[Bengus81]

56. That's what I say too.......

FUCK this "they go low we go high",it doesn't work with those NAZI's.

[elmac]

60. the fascists keep our candidates busy defending themselves on these absurd issues

when they should be talking about issues that matter, they should just ignore them and go after the fascists for trying to kill ACA, SS and all that matters.

[Bengus81]

64. Sorry but I don't think anyone's heritage is "absurd"

If shit gibbon would have mouthed off about her lying about being Native American once or twice when running for Pres two years ago that would be one thing. But that fat ass POS won't let it go. He pulls that same shit out of his ass at nearly every NAZI rally. If someone claimed you LIED about your military service and kept at it for 2-3 years how long would it be before you did something about it?

BTW....I think Dems can walk and chew gum at the same time,although many on DU seem to think their are only capable of one task at a time per year.

[elmac]

65. Its absurd to even respond to these attacks

its falling right into the fascist trap.

[True Blue American]

82. Thank you!

[Bengus81]

55. She should have told Trump she had her DNA test,where's your tax return......

And release both to the press. This won't stop that shit head from the name calling,it's built in.

[Neema]

57. Obama releasing his birth certificate didn't stop these idiots and neither will this.

It'll just be more distraction while they take away more of our rights.

[SunSeeker]

68. Good for her. Now will Trump get a DNA test to prove he's not part orangutan?

[More_Cowbell]

71. Why couldn't she wait until after the election?

The only people who will be energized to vote by this are the deplorables. Why couldn't she wait three weeks?

[SunSeeker]

76. Some think she waited too long. I guess Warren will not be able to please everyone.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2179260

[jmowreader]

73. Okay Donald, put up or shut up

I don’t believe your a billionaire. Let’s see your financials.

[Honeycombe8]

85. I think you have to have a certain % to be considered a minority, don't you?

In any case, she IS part Native American, as much as most people these days can claim they are.

Just fyi, about her being told she's probably part Native American because of rumors & her high cheekbones: My family has been told that, too. But I saw a genealogy list on my family (done by a distant relative)...I didn't notice any Native American name in the list. But that's not DNA. It's genealogy, where people "report" the parents.

[BHDem53]

88. I would like to see a

DNA test done on that scary thing residing on top of the dotards over inflated head.

[LiberalLovinLug]

89. Never understood why this is such a big deal....one way or the other

I'm in Canada. Maybe I'm ignorant of some American historical event that created some precedent about never admitting you have native blood in your family unless you are 100% sure of it. But I'm confused. What is the point of contention with Republicans?

Does this apply to other racial bloodlines? East Indian? Slavic? Asian? What does it matter, if you muse one day in some interview, that you have old passed down family stories that tell of a relationship by some great grandmother, with someone from another race? Does this just apply to native Americans?

I just don't get where the faux pas is:
Whether its in simply saying there are stories in your family that you have some other racial blood in your ancestry other than Caucasian,
Or if its that by saying this without actual proof, that its some kind of slight against REAL native Indians. (like they really care)
Or, I guess with racist Republicans, if they believe she MIGHT have Indian blood, which would make her "unpure".


I mean I can see perhaps a century ago, it might be detrimental to have a politician admit to having 'heathen native' blood in them. But you'd think in this day and age, it would almost be a point of pride. Is that it? Bragging? (Like Trumpublicans have a leg to stand on there).


Why is this such a big deal either way?

[HockeyMom]

90. I've done genealogy for decades and DNA testing

My daughters had DNA testing as well, but people believe what they wanted to believe based on preconceived notions.

Examples? I got 40% Southern Italian. Younger daughter got 30%. I lived with my Maternal Great-Grandma as a child. She didn't know she immigrated from Italy? Yet,because my daughter is a blue eyed redhead people doubt she is of Italian heritage. My Paternal Great-Grandma immigrated from Ireland. I have documentation for that. How the genes play out.

On the other hand you can get surprises from DNA. I've also done my husband's genealogy. His Maternal side was Eastern European and his Grandpa was from Russia. Both he and my older daughter have dark hair and dark almond shaped eyes. Everyone asks both of them if they are Asian. My older daughter's DNA came up with 1% Asian. Can she claim to be part Asian now? Most people would not question that based solely on her physical appearance, unlike her younger sister's appearance. "You two are SISTERS?"

Yet. Trump says Warren isn't Native because she doesn't look Native? Appearances are just the luck of the total genetic draw.

[jimlup]

93. Screw the talking heads on CNN who can't see why she did this

and why the test did show that Trump was dead wrong.

What the fuck talking heads? Jesus... can't CNN find someone who actually understands

[MadDAsHell]

95. Fordham Law Review once referenced her as Harvard Law's "first woman of color." So odd. nt