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brooklynite

(94,609 posts)
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 04:54 PM Oct 2018

Gov. Larry Hogan leads Democrat Ben Jealous by 20 points, Post-U. Md. poll finds

Source: Washington Post

With less than a month until Election Day, Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan has built a formidable lead over Democratic challenger Ben Jealous, with few voters undecided, and most preferring the incumbent Republican even on key Jealous policy issues such as health care and education, a new Washington Post-University of Maryland poll finds.

Likely voters in Maryland support Hogan by a 20-point margin, 58 percent to 38 percent. Just 5 percent have not settled on a candidate.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/gov-larry-hogan-leads-democrat-ben-jealous-by-20-points-post-u-md-poll-finds/2018/10/09/c1d23f40-cb40-11e8-a360-85875bac0b1f_story.html



I'd say a fair number of MD voters will split a ticket with Hogan and Cardin.

Worth remembering: Not every Republican politician is a Trump acolyte, and not every Republican voter is a sexist, racist bible-thumper.
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Gov. Larry Hogan leads Democrat Ben Jealous by 20 points, Post-U. Md. poll finds (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2018 OP
This is not a criticism of Ben Jealous but I just never understood why he's running for Gov underthematrix Oct 2018 #1
i read even in areas that are always blue that jealous has a smaller lead JI7 Oct 2018 #2
Twice now MD Dems have decided to just give it to Hogan and not even try IronLionZion Oct 2018 #3
I think voters are way more flexible in how they approach gubernatorial elections. JHan Oct 2018 #11
yup, when it comes to US Congress they take into Consideration Control of Congress JI7 Oct 2018 #31
Anybody who votes Reep .. ananda Oct 2018 #4
...and that also applies to the Democrats voting for him? brooklynite Oct 2018 #15
YES recentevents Oct 2018 #25
You'll be attacking a lot of Elizabeth Warren voters... brooklynite Oct 2018 #27
And? recentevents Oct 2018 #33
I have yet to see a Jealous ad on TV, seen plenty of Hogan ads MiniMe Oct 2018 #5
From everything I've heard, Jealous is an awful candidate running a terrible campaign. BlueStater Oct 2018 #6
Sad. But I'm not at all surprised. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #7
White Democrats for Hogan. David__77 Oct 2018 #8
Your point is a good one, but lost on most here. 7962 Oct 2018 #9
Look at his positions liberal_patriot_md Oct 2018 #10
We do have decent governance in MD, elleng Oct 2018 #12
I understand your points. David__77 Oct 2018 #13
I don't vote in Maryland... brooklynite Oct 2018 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Oct 2018 #17
I live in Maryland and Hogan is in my opinion just like Andy Harris turbinetree Oct 2018 #26
Yes but still. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #20
WTF??? BigDemVoter Oct 2018 #14
I'm really surprised that Bernie's endorsement and appearance with him hasn't helped... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #18
Did Bernie win MD in the primaries? Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #19
I don't know if Bernie's endorsement helped Jealous to win the primaries or if it was a non-event... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #21
No. Cha Oct 2018 #22
You can find out the winners of all the primaries on google, here: George II Oct 2018 #23
Just a lesson that even in blue states qazplm135 Oct 2018 #28
Correct! I guess Vermont-style politics doesn't always go-over very well in other places... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #35
Sanders did not do well at all in the Maryland Primary JI7 Oct 2018 #30
I'll be saving this thread recentevents Oct 2018 #24
Ben is on Make It Pain Mark Thompson's show every week smooth64 Oct 2018 #29
Nice try RandiFan1290 Oct 2018 #32
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #34

JI7

(89,252 posts)
2. i read even in areas that are always blue that jealous has a smaller lead
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:02 PM
Oct 2018

than democrats usually have.

IronLionZion

(45,463 posts)
3. Twice now MD Dems have decided to just give it to Hogan and not even try
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:05 PM
Oct 2018

Dude is popular in the state but come on. Maryland is supposed to be a dark blue state.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
11. I think voters are way more flexible in how they approach gubernatorial elections.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:44 PM
Oct 2018

Just a theory I have.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
31. yup, when it comes to US Congress they take into Consideration Control of Congress
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 03:22 AM
Oct 2018

that's why mitch mcconnell won.

i think if it was a governor's race between Grimes and mcconnell that Grimes would have won.

ananda

(28,868 posts)
4. Anybody who votes Reep ..
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:19 PM
Oct 2018

.. is allied to the party, and that party supports
fascist ideology, racism, sexism, homophobia,
and a classist society for the rich.

So if a Reep is associated with the party, then
they are all those things.

Period.

 

recentevents

(93 posts)
33. And?
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 06:23 AM
Oct 2018

Anybody, anybody who votes for a Republican in this day in age is questionable. Don't care if it's only for dog catcher. Any support for Republican platform at any level is tainted.

MiniMe

(21,717 posts)
5. I have yet to see a Jealous ad on TV, seen plenty of Hogan ads
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:21 PM
Oct 2018

Most of them put out by the RNCC. The ads they put out are good, mostly untrue but effective.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
6. From everything I've heard, Jealous is an awful candidate running a terrible campaign.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:32 PM
Oct 2018

We can write this one off.

David__77

(23,423 posts)
8. White Democrats for Hogan.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:35 PM
Oct 2018

According to another poll that's from late last month (https://cdn.s3-media.wbal.com/Media/2018/09/27/75e03440-72f7-4096-ac56-1e6672ffcc33/original.pdf):

- 17% of black voters support Hogan;
- 65% of white voters support Hogan; and
- 32% of Democrats support Hogan.

I understand that 17% black support is high for a Republican. That said: it seems that a lot of white Democrats are supporting Hogan. While cross-tabs by party by race aren't given, I think it's entirely possible that they would show more white Democrats supporting Hogan than the Democratic candidate. I think that, given the underlying demographic data, at least 40% of white Democrats who responded to the poll reporting supporting the Republican candidate.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
9. Your point is a good one, but lost on most here.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:39 PM
Oct 2018

Where anyone "R" is automatically all the things you listed. I guess its easier to dismiss an entire group by saying those things. And an earlier comment already has.
I deal with people on a weekly basis who I'm sure are "R" voters, and I also know they're not racist, sexist, etc. They ARE different though. But a few are also tiring of trumps antics from what I overhear.

liberal_patriot_md

(194 posts)
10. Look at his positions
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:43 PM
Oct 2018

Nothing to get in a twist over. He’s a centrist fiscal conservative. Not a Trumper. Didn’t support Kavanaugh. Supports DACA and recalled MD NG from the border over the zero tolerance policy.

Besides the state legislature is solidly blue, so not as if he can do much damage if he wanted.

This is the type of governance we should see more of - not less.

elleng

(130,980 posts)
12. We do have decent governance in MD,
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:02 PM
Oct 2018

recently education may be worst part.

Fact of blue state legislature may be a major part: We don't SEE damage hard righters do elsewhere.

David__77

(23,423 posts)
13. I understand your points.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:07 PM
Oct 2018

Not all politicians of a party are alike.

Do you support Hogan in this election?

Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
26. I live in Maryland and Hogan is in my opinion just like Andy Harris
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:56 PM
Oct 2018

the only thing that is saving him in my opinion was him signing the Maryland health care bill, which in my opinion does not go far enough.....................and on other matters he really hasn't done much, he really is a businessman (realtor)

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-ci-hogan-business-20180708-story.html


He and his company made a lot of money on the federal tax cuts, through the pass through s...................as far as I am concern he's full of it.....................


https://www.mddems.org/press/hogans-hoaxes-why-hogan-afraid-run-his-real-record


Turin_C3PO

(14,009 posts)
20. Yes but still.
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:04 PM
Oct 2018

Unless the Dem is crooked or conservative, a liberal should win in a blue state like Maryland. Maybe I’m missing something, that’s certainly a possibility lol.

BigDemVoter

(4,152 posts)
14. WTF???
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:09 PM
Oct 2018

Maryland is a strong Democratic state. WTF are they doing voting for a repig? I don't care if he's good or if he's tolerant or if he's done good things for the state. I am at a point where a fucking repig is a fucking repig, no excuses tolerated.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. I'm really surprised that Bernie's endorsement and appearance with him hasn't helped...
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 06:32 PM
Oct 2018

Even though I voted for Rushern Baker, I felt certain that with a Bernie Sanders endorsement, that would all but guarantee that Ben Jealous would be headed to the Governor's mansion.

But, I wonder if it would help anything if Bernie Sanders returned here to help FIRE UP all the progressives who seem to have lost interest in voting for Ben Jealous (or maybe they just never had interest to begin with).

Whatever is it's that's going on... and whatever it is that is keeping Ben Jealous from gaining traction, I must say that it's very disappointing.

Turin_C3PO

(14,009 posts)
19. Did Bernie win MD in the primaries?
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:02 PM
Oct 2018

I honestly can’t remember. I supported Sanders but his endorsement may not help much.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. I don't know if Bernie's endorsement helped Jealous to win the primaries or if it was a non-event...
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:12 PM
Oct 2018

I don't know if Bernie's endorsement helped Jealous to win the primaries or if it was a non-event that didn't help one way or the other. But, as far as I can tell, Bernie isn't all that popular in Maryland anyway. I wonder if endorsements can have a negative effect on a campaign.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
35. Correct! I guess Vermont-style politics doesn't always go-over very well in other places...
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:40 AM
Oct 2018

... I suspect that the different racial, cultural and economic demographics have something to do with that as well.

All I'm trying to say is that when it comes to things like this, the "one-size-fits-all" political philosophy doesn't always work when dealing with a more diverse population.

 

recentevents

(93 posts)
24. I'll be saving this thread
Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:30 PM
Oct 2018

DU's being OK with Dem's voting for a Republican. Not vehemently supporting the Democratic nominee for office.

I've got a good idea why though. #dividedwefall

 

smooth64

(58 posts)
29. Ben is on Make It Pain Mark Thompson's show every week
Wed Oct 10, 2018, 01:34 AM
Oct 2018

He doesn't take pac money from Corporations his support is of small donors like Bernie did that's why you don't see him running ads on TV and is targeting new voters and people who normally sit out elections and is trying to run a election on the ground. He may loose but don't be surprise if this election is closer than the polls show.These polls are of likely voters who normally vote

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