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appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:13 AM Aug 2018

Macron Says Europe Can't Rely On US For Security

Source: CNN

By Saskya Vandoorne, CNN, 1 hr. ago.

French President Emmanuel Macron told France's overseas ambassadors gathered in Paris on Monday that Europe can "no longer rely" upon the US for its security.

"It is up to us today to take our responsibilities and guarantee our own security, and thus have European sovereignty," Macron said.

Since his election in 2016, US President Donald Trump has been distancing himself from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, challenging a post-World War Two consensus on peace and security in Europe.

Macron said he wanted to see a complete rethink of how Europe defends itself in the future.

"I want us to launch an exhaustive review of our security with all Europe's partners, which includes Russia," he added...More..



Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/macron-says-europe-cant-rely-on-us-for-security/ar-BBMuR9J



Macron's call for greater European military cooperation echoes recent comments by German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas who called last week for Europe to "take an equal share of the responsibility" and "form a counterweight" to Washington as Europe-US relations cool, AFP reported.



French President Emmanuel Macron.
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Bonheur

(31 posts)
1. Of course they can't
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:18 AM
Aug 2018

"It is up to us today to take our responsibilities and guarantee our own security,"

...which is what every leader of every country at any time in history should have as a goal. Anything else is irresponsible.

PSPS

(13,603 posts)
10. Gee, thanks for your "concern."
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:13 AM
Aug 2018

The purpose of alliances is to present a better defense against a larger adversary. NATO members, by themselves, are no match for russia's aggression. Putin's dream is recreating and expanding the USSR. Unfortunately, putin's dream is being fostered by our fake president who, himself, is a putin asset. It is actually in our best interest to maintain and guarantee the security of Europe through NATO.

 

Bonheur

(31 posts)
15. And it's in France's and Europe's best interest to have contingency plans if we are unable to
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:23 PM
Aug 2018

That's in no way controversial, but reasonable and prudent. I would be "concerned" if they didn't.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
16. Isn't exactly because Putin's dream IS being fostered by mini-Putin that contingency plans are wise?
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:55 PM
Aug 2018

And Macron would not be saying this if his military brass were not making those exact plans, in detail.

On the other hand having a nuclear arsenal is the ultimate contingency plan.

cstanleytech

(26,298 posts)
3. To be honest they should have beefed up their own defenses long ago as its foolish to rely to
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:20 AM
Aug 2018

heavily on an ally as things can change as we have seen with Trump.

dubyadiprecession

(5,714 posts)
5. C'mon Macron...
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:32 AM
Aug 2018

Your country has first rate,high tech armed forces. Don't be afraid to take off your training wheels,your not going to fall.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. NATO wasn't formed or exists now to protect France, Germany, etc...it is to protect the smaller
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:58 PM
Aug 2018

members with limited military from...Russia.

Alliance is an old concept.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
7. Not right now they can't - as long as there is an illegitimate POTUS and
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:34 AM
Aug 2018

...illegitimate VP and a Congress controlled by GOP Traitors to their own Nation - absolutely no way can the allies and nations who we always stood by count on us for security.

Sadly. It’s reality.

Until this illegitimate Executive Branch and hostage held Congress is changed.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
8. I think the point of the OP is that the United States
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 10:34 AM
Aug 2018

has been a founding member of NATO that was established in 1949. NATO is an association of European and North American countries, formed in 1949 for the defense of Europe and the North Atlantic against the perceived threat of Soviet aggression. By 2005, the alliance consisted of 26 countries, including several eastern European nations. NATO's purpose is to safeguard member countries by political and military means.

It was formed because no one small country can defend itself against Russia, and Crimea has proven the threat still exist. tRump has thrown our long time allies under the Russian bus, along with multiple other decisions to take down our nations. We need to tread carefully when we follow tRump and his goals, in my opinion.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
11. They sure as fuck can't trust Trump with their national security secrets.
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 11:18 AM
Aug 2018

The Orange Menace will feed it directly to Putin.

DFW

(54,408 posts)
13. The EDF has been more than a vague theory for some time now
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 12:15 PM
Aug 2018

Hell, not even the United States can rely on the Trump Administration to keep us safe. Why should Europe?

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