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turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:28 PM Aug 2018

Prosecutors Challenge Judge's Ideas About Banker's Awareness of Alleged Manafort Fraud

Source: Talking Points Memo

By Tierney Sneed | August 13, 2018 11:38 am

Just because a bank CEO was aware that Paul Manafort was committing bank fraud doesn’t make Manafort’s conduct any less fraudulent, special counsel Robert Mueller’s prosecutors argued in a court filing Monday morning.

The filing appeared to be prompted by a bench discussion the attorneys had with the defense and Judge T.S. Ellis on Friday, pertaining to Steve Calk, the CEO of The Federal Savings Bank (TFSB) who served as a Trump campaign advisor.

Federal Savings Bank was one of a number of lenders that prosecutors say were misled by false representations made by Manafort in applying for millions of dollars in loans in late 2015 and 2016. Manafort was approved for a Federal Savings Bank loan the day after Calk expressed to the Trump campaign chair interest in working for Trump, a bank employee testified last week. The prosecution presented other evidence that Calk was promised campaign and administration positions while negotiating Manafort’s loans.

During Friday’s bench conversation about whether statements by Calk could be admitted, Ellis “expressed concern about the notion that TFSB could be defrauded when Calk, who ultimately approved these loans for TFSB, was going to approve the loans for personal reasons,” according to Monday’s filing.

Read more: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/prosecutors-challenge-judges-ideas-about-bankers-awareness-of-alleged-manafort-fraud



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The prosecutors are asking that Ellis “recognize the lack of merit in any defense argument that Stephen Calk’s complicity in or awareness of Manafort’s fraud on TFSB renders immaterial as a matter of law Manafort’s false and fraudulent representations to TFSB for purposes of obtaining loans.”
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Prosecutors Challenge Judge's Ideas About Banker's Awareness of Alleged Manafort Fraud (Original Post) turbinetree Aug 2018 OP
That it's even up for discussion is troubling. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2018 #1
Its time to start investigation of Judge Ellis' bank accounts. olegramps Aug 2018 #21
Doesn't Calk's awareness of fraud make him a fraudster too marylandblue Aug 2018 #2
At least RICO should apply here...seems like multiple entities involved in these illegal ... SWBTATTReg Aug 2018 #12
Yes; Manafort and Calk conspiring to defraud TFSB. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #17
By logical extension, this argument would mean any fraud which includes an "inside man" would RockRaven Aug 2018 #3
You're right, this is messed up. Hopefully Illinois will go after Calk. But Manafort bribed that CEO bettyellen Aug 2018 #5
Makes Calk an accessory to the crime UpInArms Aug 2018 #4
Calk has immunity. Sneederbunk Aug 2018 #13
Obviously, he needed to secure that immunity ... UpInArms Aug 2018 #23
It appears Calk does not have immunity UpInArms Aug 2018 #24
I feel this judge is completely out of line here! bluestarone Aug 2018 #6
That is the point..............a critical point................. turbinetree Aug 2018 #8
What are the political connections of this judge? lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #18
The judge is out of line on many lines Perseus Aug 2018 #22
Draining the swamp to make room for a dirtier swamp. Snellius Aug 2018 #7
HA HA HA The water drained from the swamp BUT bluestarone Aug 2018 #9
Draining the swamp to allow the muck and slime that's left to rule! BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #10
It seems to be that Judge Ellis is not impartial in this matter. 3Hotdogs Aug 2018 #11
This judge needs to retire. Scruffy1 Aug 2018 #14
Wow, Ellis is an asshole. Adrahil Aug 2018 #15
Maybe Ellis is just dumb Gary Gary Aug 2018 #16
One could make the argument Ellis isn't dumb, but has an agenda Brother Buzz Aug 2018 #20
I'm wondering what criminal activity the judge has been involved in. LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #19

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
2. Doesn't Calk's awareness of fraud make him a fraudster too
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:43 PM
Aug 2018

Or at least violates his fiduciary duty to his employer?

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
12. At least RICO should apply here...seems like multiple entities involved in these illegal ...
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 02:50 PM
Aug 2018

acts...just curious as to why Mueller didn't go this route...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
17. Yes; Manafort and Calk conspiring to defraud TFSB.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:19 PM
Aug 2018

That doesn't let Manafort off the hook; it adds Calk to the conspiracy.

WTF is up with the judge?

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
3. By logical extension, this argument would mean any fraud which includes an "inside man" would
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 01:48 PM
Aug 2018

magically not be considered fraud anymore. I don't think that's going to pass muster, though right wing kleptocrats might wish it did.

If there is any inconsistency or problem with how Calk's knowledge of Manafort's fraud interacts with what charges are/are not valid, it is this: maybe Calk should also have been charged with fraud as a co-conspirator.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
5. You're right, this is messed up. Hopefully Illinois will go after Calk. But Manafort bribed that CEO
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 02:02 PM
Aug 2018

And just because he screwed him over and didn’t get him the army job doesn’t make either of them less guilty.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
24. It appears Calk does not have immunity
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:39 AM
Aug 2018
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b71d2f8e4b0ae32af9a8b6b/amp

Raico’s testimony potentially implicates Calk as well as Manafort. It is a federal offense for a person to give or offer money or other things of value to someone in exchange for that second person’s promise to use his or her influence to get the first person appointed to a government job. In addition, Raico’s testimony raises questions of whether Calk defrauded the bank, its investors and its regulators in some way. The government has no apparent plans to call Calk as a witness, and so it’s reasonable to conclude they haven’t offered him any kind of immunity and he may be in grave legal jeopardy. However, as of this

bluestarone

(16,943 posts)
6. I feel this judge is completely out of line here!
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 02:06 PM
Aug 2018

Am i wrong here? Why in the world would he even question this?

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
22. The judge is out of line on many lines
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 04:56 PM
Aug 2018

It almost seems like he is working for the defense...

Can the prosecutors ask for a change in judge? I guess that is a tough one, eh?

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
7. Draining the swamp to make room for a dirtier swamp.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 02:06 PM
Aug 2018

A Trump campaign adviser knowingly approved fraudulent loans for the Trump campaign chairman of a presidential candidate who would not release his tax returns? Rake the muck.

bluestarone

(16,943 posts)
9. HA HA HA The water drained from the swamp BUT
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 02:16 PM
Aug 2018

All the SCUM and CREATURES are THRIVING!!!! PEOPLE ARE FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
14. This judge needs to retire.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:09 PM
Aug 2018

i think he's lost it, if he ever had any. Just the fact he hangs on to a job at his shows he's nuts.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
15. Wow, Ellis is an asshole.
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:15 PM
Aug 2018

The fraud was against the BANK, not Calk. If Calk participated in the fraud, that extends the criminal liability. It's doesn't negate it.

Brother Buzz

(36,437 posts)
20. One could make the argument Ellis isn't dumb, but has an agenda
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:29 PM
Aug 2018

Occam's razor suggests he's been given his marching orders. I'm just saying

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