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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:06 PM Aug 2018

Venezuelan president Nicols Maduro survives drone assassination attempt

Source: The Guardian

"Venezuelan president Nicolás Maduro has survived an apparent assassination attempt involving drones which exploded close to him while he was speaking at an event in Caracas.

State television showed Maduro abruptly cutting short his speech during a celebration of the National Guard’s 81st anniversary.

The hundreds of soldiers present were shown breaking ranks and scattering.

The Venezuelan information minister Jorge Rodriguez said there had been an “attack” against the president involving several drones loaded with explosives."

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/04/nicolas-maduros-speech-cut-short-while-soldiers-scatter




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Venezuelan president Nicols Maduro survives drone assassination attempt (Original Post) Scurrilous Aug 2018 OP
🤦🏿 Now that idiot will claim justification for cracking down further. Eugene Aug 2018 #1
The crazy crony capitalists will now be out in force. Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #32
Shame the drones didn't get close enough ansible Aug 2018 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #3
It was damn stupid whoever tried it. Eugene Aug 2018 #5
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #8
You are saying DU is a freak show heaven05 Aug 2018 #11
If the US had done this customerserviceguy Aug 2018 #30
You mean "some" just like "some" Venezuelans are major contributors to cstanleytech Aug 2018 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #12
Another video here SkyDancer Aug 2018 #4
Thanks! Scurrilous Aug 2018 #6
Anyone care to bet Maduro's own goons sent those drones? Archae Aug 2018 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #9
I don't trust Maduro. Archae Aug 2018 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #15
Its certainly not out of the realm of possibility for it to have been staged cstanleytech Aug 2018 #17
I think so. Most of the world thinks christx30 Aug 2018 #25
Hmmmm James48 Aug 2018 #13
I suspect it's pretty much an off the shelf purchase these days if you have enough cash pecosbob Aug 2018 #16
Like pecosbob said there are some pretty sophisticated drones out on the open market cstanleytech Aug 2018 #18
Insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan have used them NickB79 Aug 2018 #19
Putin and Maduro tend to be buddies. Igel Aug 2018 #20
When I was a kid, what is now called drones were called remote controlled planes stevenleser Aug 2018 #36
Rumors are that it is a Cuban show, a pro-Maduro show Perseus Aug 2018 #21
Interesting news. Several injured, so I understand. sandensea Aug 2018 #22
... Scurrilous Aug 2018 #23
Thanks. I just saw an update: sandensea Aug 2018 #24
That drones out all the conspiracy theories on Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #28
I'm really skeptical about this. joshcryer Aug 2018 #29
Maduro blames Colombian President Santos muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #26
This is one of the things the extreme left and extreme right have in common stevenleser Aug 2018 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author joshcryer Aug 2018 #27
Link to BBC nitpicker Aug 2018 #31
It was a gas tank at an apartment building Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #33
You're taking the fun out of Maduro's outrage at his enemies. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #34
NBC says it was just a gas canister in a building that exploded left-of-center2012 Aug 2018 #35
Venezuela 'drone attack': Six arrests made Eugene Aug 2018 #38
Drones melm00se Aug 2018 #39

Farmer-Rick

(10,192 posts)
32. The crazy crony capitalists will now be out in force.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 07:38 AM
Aug 2018

Saying how much they wished Traitor Trump had planned an undercover maneuver that hadn't failed. Your tax dollars working to smoother all resistance to capitalism.

Is Daddy Little Putin proud?

Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Eugene

(61,909 posts)
5. It was damn stupid whoever tried it.
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:44 PM
Aug 2018

But nobody has said yet that the U.S. tried to kill that buffoon. That said, I'll admit that the Trump gang is capable of this level of idiocy.

No love for Maduro, but few sane people want to make a martyr out of him.

Response to Eugene (Reply #5)

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. You are saying DU is a freak show
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:54 PM
Aug 2018

Right? If so please refrain from calling us freaks. The only freaks are those who voted for DoofusTrump or sat out the election whining about the Democratic Party and how unfair it is to certain factions. So I'm part of a freak show, right?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
30. If the US had done this
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 03:08 AM
Aug 2018

they very likely would have succeeded. My guess is that this was an unprofessional attempt.

cstanleytech

(26,299 posts)
10. You mean "some" just like "some" Venezuelans are major contributors to
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:52 PM
Aug 2018

helping to smuggle illegal narcotics into the United States.

Response to cstanleytech (Reply #10)

Archae

(46,337 posts)
7. Anyone care to bet Maduro's own goons sent those drones?
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:46 PM
Aug 2018

Not because his goons don't like him anymore, no, this sure looks like a stunt Maduro himself set up, to "justify" his taking more and more dictatorial powers.

(Reichstag Fire, anyone?)

Response to Archae (Reply #7)

Archae

(46,337 posts)
14. I don't trust Maduro.
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:59 PM
Aug 2018

His goon squads put down any hint of dissent against the ruling party, Maduro himself, his family and Chavez's family are very wealthy, the Venezuelan economy is one of the worst in the world.

No, I don't have any proof the attack was created by Maduro.
But it has happened before. MANY times, a dictator trumps up a fake "attack."

Response to Archae (Reply #14)

cstanleytech

(26,299 posts)
17. Its certainly not out of the realm of possibility for it to have been staged
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 09:14 PM
Aug 2018

so as to justify cracking down even further as other people have used supposed threats and or attacks to justify some pretty atrocious stuff in history.
I mean heck look at how the Japanese Americans were rounded up and imprisoned without trial during WWII for example.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
25. I think so. Most of the world thinks
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:57 AM
Aug 2018

Erodogan created the coup a few years ago to round up anyone that opposed him and consolidate his power.
It's super swell Turkey is a NATO ally. I wouldn't put it past Maduro to do the same thing, though, on Venezuela's dime, it wasn't going to be a full on fake coup. A drone with a grenade is cheaper.

James48

(4,436 posts)
13. Hmmmm
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:58 PM
Aug 2018

Who has the technology to launch a Drone Swarm attack against the Socialist President of Venezuela? I’ll give you a couple of guesses-

Do you think the CIA did it under orders from Trump to go stir sh-t up?

Or perhaps Putin ordered it, to further destabilize the West.

Who else has that capability?

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
16. I suspect it's pretty much an off the shelf purchase these days if you have enough cash
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 09:10 PM
Aug 2018

I suspect there are a few para-military superstores on the dark web by now...one stop shopping for mayhem. Still...not a headline you see every day.

cstanleytech

(26,299 posts)
18. Like pecosbob said there are some pretty sophisticated drones out on the open market
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 10:02 PM
Aug 2018

these days and they do not cost hundreds of thousands of dollars either.
Besides if the CIA wanted to kill Maduro they could have done it years ago but the truth is that ultimately his being in charge does not matter to the US or atleast not currently as the majority of our countries interest is in the middle east as well as Asia and Europe.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
20. Putin and Maduro tend to be buddies.
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 11:10 PM
Aug 2018

Venezuela has no need for the CIA to stir up shit. It's a giant bubbling cauldron of it. The only question would be who would actually be able to go to Radio Shack and buy drones. They're not that expensive, but considering the inflation rate in Venezuela ...

The other question is who has C4, if that is what caused the explosions. That's a lot harder to buy. Radio Shack doesn't carry it. In fact, I'm betting that it's pretty controlled in Venezuela (unless you take into account corruption).

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
36. When I was a kid, what is now called drones were called remote controlled planes
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 02:11 PM
Aug 2018

Anyone in the 1970s with $200 could buy a cheap one. Spend $1000-2000 and you could buy one capable of carrying a small payload. Now, 40-50 years later, I am sure it is still easy to buy a remote controlled plane and stuff it with whatever you want. You don’t have to be one of the worlds top militaries or intelligence agencies to have one.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
21. Rumors are that it is a Cuban show, a pro-Maduro show
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 11:11 PM
Aug 2018

But I think the World should see how coward the Venezuelan military is, I have never seen a military run from fear due to the sounds of fireworks.

sandensea

(21,639 posts)
22. Interesting news. Several injured, so I understand.
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 11:12 PM
Aug 2018

Please consider posting this in the Latin America group as well, Scurrilous.

It'll make for plenty of lively debate there too, I promise you that.

sandensea

(21,639 posts)
24. Thanks. I just saw an update:
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 01:10 AM
Aug 2018
The group Soldados de Franela claims responsibility for the attack with drones against Nicolás Maduro

The Venezuelan armed opposition group Soldados de Franela ('Flannel Soldiers') claimed responsibility for this Saturday's attack against President Nicolás Maduro during a military act in Caracas.

"We showed that they are vulnerable, it was not achieved today but it is a matter of time," they said through their social media accounts.

"The operation was to fly over two drones loaded with C4 to the objective, the presidential box. Snipers of the honor guard shot down the drones before reaching the target ," the group explained.

The Soldados de Franela group is known in Venezuela because it was integrated by Óscar Pérez, the former policeman who rebelled against the Maduro regime in mid-2017, leading attacks on government buildings and military bases. He died in an ambush of Government forces on January 15.

At: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infobae.com%2Famerica%2Fvenezuela%2F2018%2F08%2F04%2Fel-grupo-soldados-de-franela-se-adjudico-el-ataque-con-drones-contra-nicolas-maduro%2F&edit-text=


Whatever one thinks of Maduro and his government, I'm glad more people weren't hurt. This group promised to try again though.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
29. I'm really skeptical about this.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 03:00 AM
Aug 2018

The Twitter feed of the people claiming responsibility reads like fantasy. Never heard of this group before outside of Twitter. If you go back in their feed it's like some nutter right winger who posts random rantings about goings on there. Not some leader of some protest / rebel group. In fact scrolling through I can see a lot of their videos aren't their own and they may actually not even live in Venezuela.

And there are reports that an apartment had a gas explosion near the speech group, and that journalists with a TV station were arrested shortly afterward. Some reports that a drone was shot down but it was a TV stations.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
26. Maduro blames Colombian President Santos
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 02:00 AM
Aug 2018

From the Guardian OP link:

Maduro, speaking from the presidential palace two hours after the attack, announced that those behind the attempt on his life had been captured.

“I am alive and victorious,” the socialist president said in a bellicose televised address, before blaming the attack on the government of neighbouring Colombia.

“Everything points to the Venezuelan ultra-right in alliance with the Colombian ultra-right, and that the name of [Colombian president] Juan Manuel Santos is behind this attack.”

A spokesperson for Santos – who leaves office on Tuesday – quickly shot the allegations down. “This has no base,” the official said. “The president is focused on the baptism of his granddaughter and not on bringing down foreign governments.”
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
37. This is one of the things the extreme left and extreme right have in common
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 02:14 PM
Aug 2018

When in power, both extremes will cynically use events like these as a reichstag fire event, blaming their favorite whipping boys and justifying whatever desired action they intend to take next.

Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,013 posts)
33. It was a gas tank at an apartment building
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 08:28 AM
Aug 2018


Charred windows were seen near the place where President Maduro was speaking

From the BBC report:
firefighters at the scene disputed the government's version of events, the Associated Press reports.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, three of them said the incident was actually a gas tank explosion inside an apartment, but did not provide further details, the news agency says.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45073385

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,354 posts)
34. You're taking the fun out of Maduro's outrage at his enemies.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 08:55 AM
Aug 2018

An accident? All his parading soldiers ran away because of an exploding cheeseburger?

Oh, the humanity

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
35. NBC says it was just a gas canister in a building that exploded
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 09:19 AM
Aug 2018

Willie Geist on this morning’s ‘Sunday Today’ just said the explosion was a gas canister in a nearby building that exploded.

No drones.

No assassination attack.

Eugene

(61,909 posts)
38. Venezuela 'drone attack': Six arrests made
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 06:27 PM
Aug 2018

Source: BBC

Venezuela 'drone attack': Six arrests made

5 August 2018

Six people have been arrested in Venezuela for involvement in an apparent assassination attempt on President Nicolás Maduro, the interior minister says.

Nestor Reverol said they were part of a group that loaded two drones with explosives and set them off during a military parade in the capital Caracas.

Mr Maduro has warned the perpetrators face "maximum punishment".

He has blamed Colombia for the incident but provided no evidence.

Colombia said the accusation was "baseless".

The government has also pointed the finger at the opposition, prompting fears of a new crackdown.

-snip-


Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45077057
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