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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:08 PM Aug 2018

The NRA Says It's in Deep Financial Trouble, May Be 'Unable to Exist'

Source: Rolling Stone

The National Rifle Association warns that it is in grave financial jeopardy, according to a recent court filing obtained by Rolling Stone, and that it could soon “be unable to exist… or pursue its advocacy mission.” (Read the NRA’s legal complaint at the bottom of this story.)

The reason, according to the NRA filing, is not its deep entanglement with alleged Russian agents like Maria Butina. Instead, the gun group has been suing New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and the state’s financial regulators since May, claiming the NRA has been subject to a state-led “blacklisting campaign” that has inflicted “tens of millions of dollars in damages.”

In the new document — an amended complaint filed in U.S. District Court in late July — the NRA says it cannot access financial services essential to its operations and is facing “irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm.”

Specifically, the NRA warns that it has lost insurance coverage — endangering day-to-day operations. “Insurance coverage is necessary for the NRA to continue its existence,” the complaint reads. Without general liability coverage, it adds, the “NRA cannot maintain its physical premises, convene off-site meetings and events, operate educational programs … or hold rallies, conventions and assemblies.”


Read more: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/nra-financial-trouble-706371/

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The NRA Says It's in Deep Financial Trouble, May Be 'Unable to Exist' (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2018 OP
Be still my heart! 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2018 #1
i think it's bullshit.. busterbrown Aug 2018 #6
Yeah, I know, they are playing their suckers! 50 Shades Of Blue Aug 2018 #8
Either fund raising or a "Run! Hide the money!" scam mpcamb Aug 2018 #65
What, they blew through all the russian payola dark money? Achilleaze Aug 2018 #2
I think they're rolling in dough and just pleaing poverty as a diversion. mpcamb Aug 2018 #66
I guess we'll be able to pry its guns away, then n/t VWolf Aug 2018 #3
Whomp, whomp... DemKittyNC Aug 2018 #4
such a heart breaker. olddad56 Aug 2018 #5
Thoughts and prayers, people Maeve Aug 2018 #7
I'll believe it when I see it. Sounds like hyperbole aimed at a)the judge & b)stirring up donations RockRaven Aug 2018 #9
Couldn't they solve their problem by moving their hdqtrs to Russia? LiberalFighter Aug 2018 #10
Aawww, lets all have a sad. Hoist by their own petard. Augiedog Aug 2018 #11
The karma cop of ironic justice has pulled the trigger again. Too risky to be insured! Snellius Aug 2018 #27
I call BS!!!! with that massive influx of russian cash, we are to believe the nra is broke? niyad Aug 2018 #12
Yep. Same old scam. dalton99a Aug 2018 #14
Everyone send in your donation NOW!!! dalton99a Aug 2018 #13
I would but it's illegal to send a turd through the mail. peekaloo Aug 2018 #62
Just saying... Quackers Aug 2018 #72
. peekaloo Aug 2018 #73
Excuse Me Roy Rolling Aug 2018 #15
I'm sending my warmest condolences, and TheCowsCameHome Aug 2018 #16
"Specifically, the NRA warns that it has lost insurance coverage" BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #17
Isn't their mission to sell as many guns as possible? unblock Aug 2018 #18
Their original intent was BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #19
I used to be in the NRA. Snellius Aug 2018 #34
I think they were also involved with the Boy Scouts BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #37
Here it comes... Maxheader Aug 2018 #20
Of course they could go back to doing what they used to do. Turbineguy Aug 2018 #21
Why don't they go back to teaching gun safety, like they used to. Not race war! Snellius Aug 2018 #22
What a shame ........... jb5150 Aug 2018 #23
They want to shut it down to cover embezzlement and other illegal activities stopbush Aug 2018 #24
My first thought as well...now that the russia thingy is getting closer Merlot Aug 2018 #61
If only it were true.... Coventina Aug 2018 #25
Won't someone please call the WAAAHMBULUNCE? (the real ones are full of NRA's carnage) hlthe2b Aug 2018 #26
Did the Russian money dry up? blueinredohio Aug 2018 #28
I hope that it's true Vogon_Glory Aug 2018 #29
I will bet a million dollars against anyone who thinks NRA is going away... HopeAgain Aug 2018 #30
Lay low and pretend their going BK until after the mid-terms. Their name is shit right now... Bengus81 Aug 2018 #67
If its real and the basis is insurance, it would mean the insurance companies 3Hotdogs Aug 2018 #31
There were articles back in February about the big "pull out" of corporate sponsors BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #38
Go find a televangelist to heal your dumb asses. IADEMO2004 Aug 2018 #32
Sounds OK to me, because of the elleng Aug 2018 #33
they're probably fucking lying to raise more money gopiscrap Aug 2018 #35
Indeed it might well be just another fundraising ploy. calimary Aug 2018 #42
Out of ammo, so sad C_U_L8R Aug 2018 #36
You would think matt819 Aug 2018 #39
NRA is tilting at windmills steventh Aug 2018 #40
Boohoo. calimary Aug 2018 #41
Bullshit! bitterross Aug 2018 #43
Uh-huh. Thoughts and Prayers, thoughts and prayers. Pathwalker Aug 2018 #44
I don't believe it. But even if so, they shud just pick up the phone & call Putin Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #45
I think they lie so the suckers will send in more small donations... Hekate Aug 2018 #46
I really don't care, do ... no, wait! I do care because this is fucking great. mainer Aug 2018 #47
Yeah, it's their typical fund-raising ploy. Nitram Aug 2018 #48
Fake News. snort Aug 2018 #49
Nothing but a fundraiser ploy LeftInTX Aug 2018 #50
Sending them y most heartfelt thoughts and prayers IrishEyes Aug 2018 #51
You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, broke fingers. Downtown Hound Aug 2018 #52
Dear NRA, please let me know when your org is in ashes John Fante Aug 2018 #53
Awww... With the closing of ranges and trophy hunting we might have less wildfires and crazy locks Aug 2018 #54
If the NRA is broke it's only because KCDebbie Aug 2018 #55
So they're mortally wounded? NCcoast Aug 2018 #56
Russian oligarchs charge usury rates on loans. House of Roberts Aug 2018 #57
The NRA sends me mailers to join several times each year calguy Aug 2018 #58
Cool story, bro JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2018 #74
Did they lose access to Russian money? LiberalBrooke Aug 2018 #59
LYING TURDS ROB-ROX Aug 2018 #60
I suspect fundraising BS jcgoldie Aug 2018 #63
I call BULLSHIT,every RED NECK across Murica sends them cash every year to belong..... Bengus81 Aug 2018 #64
Translation:we don't want to go to prison. displacedtexan Aug 2018 #68
I can belive the "we lost our insurance" part. Who the HELL would insure that bunch of gun nuts?? Bengus81 Aug 2018 #69
Insurance is the barrier between law suits and the NRA board precient Aug 2018 #71
Kudos to Cuomo precient Aug 2018 #70

mpcamb

(2,871 posts)
65. Either fund raising or a "Run! Hide the money!" scam
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:28 AM
Aug 2018

They just took on Ollie North, a lying creep who's been tied to decades of GOP scandals.

Like Mark Felt said, "Follow the money."

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
2. What, they blew through all the russian payola dark money?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:11 PM
Aug 2018

Did they funnel all their dark money to Comrade Dirty Donny* and his KGOP republican cronies. What's up with this? WTF?

* aka republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
5. such a heart breaker.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:13 PM
Aug 2018

maybe they should have kept more of Alexander Torshin's money that they were laundering for Russia.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
9. I'll believe it when I see it. Sounds like hyperbole aimed at a)the judge & b)stirring up donations
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:16 PM
Aug 2018

Now if they become the subject of a RICO case then I'll believe their ongoing existence is in jeopardy...

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
27. The karma cop of ironic justice has pulled the trigger again. Too risky to be insured!
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:54 PM
Aug 2018

Even their own insurance company says they're too dangerous to insure.

niyad

(113,344 posts)
12. I call BS!!!! with that massive influx of russian cash, we are to believe the nra is broke?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:20 PM
Aug 2018

sorry, do the rest of us look that stupid?

reminds me of oral roberts whining that if he didn't get a certain amount of money, god would take him. hurry up, already!!

Roy Rolling

(6,918 posts)
15. Excuse Me
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:23 PM
Aug 2018

I'll be back after I get a tissue for this sad story. It's a tragedy a group cannot advocate for the slaughter of innocent people behind the mask of patriotic zeal. That is, advocate for the slaughter and still make a profit. I guess business is not as easy as being media assholes.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
17. "Specifically, the NRA warns that it has lost insurance coverage"
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:25 PM
Aug 2018

It needed to.

They have strayed FAR FAR away from their original mission and went rogue loon.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
18. Isn't their mission to sell as many guns as possible?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:31 PM
Aug 2018

They've always pretended to be about their gun owning members, but really they've always been a gun manufacturer's trade group

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
19. Their original intent was
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:38 PM
Aug 2018

focused on "rifles" and training. But once they decided to get "political" (and the manufacturers could feed them $$$) they went completely rogue and embraced every type of firearm.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
34. I used to be in the NRA.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:11 PM
Aug 2018

When I was a kid and had to go for safety training for a shotgun I got to hunt pheasants with my dad. They were really nice guys. Like swimming teachers who taught you how not to drown. Guns are ALWAYS loaded. Never point it at a person (or cow). etc.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
37. I think they were also involved with the Boy Scouts
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:35 PM
Aug 2018

since they had rifle/marksman badges.... but we Girls Scouts didn't (I think Archery was about as far as that type of thing went).

Turbineguy

(37,343 posts)
21. Of course they could go back to doing what they used to do.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:41 PM
Aug 2018

Advocate for responsible ownership and safety.

Nah!

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
22. Why don't they go back to teaching gun safety, like they used to. Not race war!
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:44 PM
Aug 2018

Or whatever culture war these gun nuts are fighting so that the "libtards" won't cut off their precious gun dicks.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
24. They want to shut it down to cover embezzlement and other illegal activities
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:50 PM
Aug 2018

the head honchos have engaged in for decades.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
29. I hope that it's true
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:57 PM
Aug 2018

The NRA has co-created thousands of shootings here in the US and abroad. It’s an organization that deserves to go out of business.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
30. I will bet a million dollars against anyone who thinks NRA is going away...
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:57 PM
Aug 2018

Not happening, they are business as usual no matter what they claim. I have been sent three glossy invitations to join, complete with mock membership cards and promises of free gifts. Not what you get from an organization on the brink.

I do wish they would fall into a black hole, however.

3Hotdogs

(12,391 posts)
31. If its real and the basis is insurance, it would mean the insurance companies
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:06 PM
Aug 2018

are waking up to the idea that juries and legislatures are sooner or later going to render judgements against these posers.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
38. There were articles back in February about the big "pull out" of corporate sponsors
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:46 PM
Aug 2018

but here is one about the insurers that they contracted to when they sued NY. The state's response was the following -

The NRA, which does not have a license from DFS to conduct insurance business in New York, actively marketed and solicited for the Carry Guard program through a website, email and direct mail, among other channels, according to DFS.

“As the primary regulator of insurance companies and state-chartered banks doing business in New York, it is incumbent upon the Department of Financial Services to supervise and guide regulated entities to mitigate the risks to their safety and soundness that may derive from a variety of sources, including reputational risk,” said New York Financial Services Superintendent Maria T. Vullo in a statement regarding the NRA’S lawsuit against New York. “It is equally as important that DFS enforce New York law and take appropriate enforcement action when necessary to protect consumers and ensure the integrity of our financial markets.”

New York officials have fined Lockton and the insurer of the Carry Guard program, Chubb Ltd., millions of dollars. The two firms have also signed a consent order agreeing to cease doing business with the NRA in the state.

“As part of the Department’s ongoing investigation, DFS’s consent orders with both Lockton and Chubb addressed the unlicensed and unlawful activity connected with the NRA’s Carry Guard program, which unlawfully provided liability insurance to gun owners for acts of intentional wrongdoing,” Vullo’s statement continued. “The Department will not stand down from its mandate to enforce New York law.”

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/05/11/489067.htm

elleng

(130,974 posts)
33. Sounds OK to me, because of the
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:07 PM
Aug 2018

“irrecoverable loss and irreparable harm” they and their sponsors inflict on countless millions.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
35. they're probably fucking lying to raise more money
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:13 PM
Aug 2018

and also to make the big mean libruls look bad to their nut job base

calimary

(81,322 posts)
42. Indeed it might well be just another fundraising ploy.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:09 PM
Aug 2018

Scream fire and hope there are enough gun nuts in that crowded theater.

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
36. Out of ammo, so sad
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:16 PM
Aug 2018

If their membership actually wants get all up in arms about something,
maybe they should investigate misuse of their own funds

matt819

(10,749 posts)
39. You would think
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:53 PM
Aug 2018

that the NRA would contract Russia directly to fund them rather than using the very public request for funds from Russia.

But, hey, when Trump asked Russia publicly to hack Hillary, lo and behold, Hillary was hacked. So I guess the NRA thinking is that this is way to request Russian support.

steventh

(2,143 posts)
40. NRA is tilting at windmills
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:59 PM
Aug 2018

Do they really think they can win against Gov. Cuomo and NYS regulators? I don't think so. They picked this fight. Let's hope they go broke paying their lawyers to fail miserably in this litigation.

Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
44. Uh-huh. Thoughts and Prayers, thoughts and prayers.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:28 PM
Aug 2018

(that they disappear from this earth). Sounds like it's fund-raising time.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
45. I don't believe it. But even if so, they shud just pick up the phone & call Putin
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:29 PM
Aug 2018

to fill the bank again.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
46. I think they lie so the suckers will send in more small donations...
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:31 PM
Aug 2018

If what they say is true, though (to steal a quote), I love it.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
47. I really don't care, do ... no, wait! I do care because this is fucking great.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:48 PM
Aug 2018

I want to drown the NRA in the bathtub.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
48. Yeah, it's their typical fund-raising ploy.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:48 PM
Aug 2018

Then they'l; send out a letter for more funds saying, "Congratulations, you saved us from certain doom. But we're still not completely in the clear. Crooked Hillary and Nancy Pelosi are coming for your guns. Quick, send money!

IrishEyes

(3,275 posts)
51. Sending them y most heartfelt thoughts and prayers
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 04:08 PM
Aug 2018

The thought of the NRA being broke is wonderful. I pray that it is the truth. I know it isn't. It is just a way for them to get money from their followers.

locks

(2,012 posts)
54. Awww... With the closing of ranges and trophy hunting we might have less wildfires and crazy
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 04:16 PM
Aug 2018

and trophy hunters we've enjoyed so much.

 

KCDebbie

(664 posts)
55. If the NRA is broke it's only because
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 04:22 PM
Aug 2018

It already gave $ they got from arms manufacturers and the Russians to Republican candidates for local, state and federal offices..

calguy

(5,315 posts)
58. The NRA sends me mailers to join several times each year
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 04:42 PM
Aug 2018

I'm on their mailing lists because I'm a subscriber to many fishing sites, magazines, etc.
Every time I get one I use their postage paid envelope to send them a dog turd wrapped in a sheet of paper that says in big magic marker the words..FUCK OFF!!!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
74. Cool story, bro
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 06:29 PM
Aug 2018

If true, then thank the NRA for not reporting you to law enforcement. You may not send feces in the mail as harassment.

Or maybe you don't include your return address, in which case your anonymous harassment is purely meaningless, though cute.

LiberalBrooke

(527 posts)
59. Did they lose access to Russian money?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 04:57 PM
Aug 2018

I think they are afraid right now to take $ from Putin because of heightened awareness that they are being watched.

ROB-ROX

(767 posts)
60. LYING TURDS
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 07:57 PM
Aug 2018

Those type people keep their in money off shore BANKS. They have plenty of cash. They just do not want to pay their BILLS. This is a simple case of this group wanting to be WELFARE QUEENS........Russia or the GOP would never let their good old boys DISAPPEAR like so many right wing nuts like SWIFT BOAT, and others......

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
63. I suspect fundraising BS
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:17 AM
Aug 2018

They start calling the gun nuts for an extra $100 everytime theres a school shooting. Piss on the lying NRA.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
64. I call BULLSHIT,every RED NECK across Murica sends them cash every year to belong.....
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:20 AM
Aug 2018

Don't buy that BS for a second.........

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
68. Translation:we don't want to go to prison.
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 08:49 AM
Aug 2018

They'll shut down, regroup, and start again. They'll be "new and improved" and "not your daddy's NRA."

precient

(15 posts)
71. Insurance is the barrier between law suits and the NRA board
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 11:46 AM
Aug 2018

Board members are liable for the organization although board member lawsuits are very rare. Why? Because nobody with a brain serves on a board without that protection. Guess we'll find out if NRA is telling the truth about no insurance if/when board members start resigning.

NRA Board
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/nra-board-members-tom-selleck/

Tom Selleck, Ted Nugent, Olly North etc., etc., ad nauseam

precient

(15 posts)
70. Kudos to Cuomo
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 11:35 AM
Aug 2018

They're crying like those pro wrestling bad guys who cower in the corner with the good guy starts whipping their ass.

Well, NRA is in for a good ass kicking. The NY attorney general's office is full of talent just ready to rumble. Sayanora NRA

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