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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 08:31 AM Aug 2018

Poll Shows Plummeting Trust In Trump

Source: PoliticalWire



August 3, 2018 at 8:20 am EDT By Taegan Goddard

A new Garin-Hart-Yang/Global Strategy Group poll finds “the worst ratings for Trump on his truthfulness, temperament, dealings with Russia, and immigration policies we have not seen in any of our eleven previous national tracking surveys on the Trump presidency.”

Key finding “Trump’s dealings with Vladimir Putin, his handling of immigration and the separation of children from their families, and the impact of his trade war have stuck with voters in a way nothing else has since the beginning of his presidency.”

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Read more: https://politicalwire.com/2018/08/03/poll-shows-plummeting-trust-in-trump/

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Poll Shows Plummeting Trust In Trump (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2018 OP
FAKE NEWS! trusty elf Aug 2018 #1
Great image.. Thekaspervote Aug 2018 #17
Thanks trusty elf Aug 2018 #72
Most Definitely The Twilight Zone-Gaslighting! Cha Aug 2018 #67
Hey Cha! trusty elf Aug 2018 #70
You do excellent work! The Twilight Cha Aug 2018 #73
You are the Trustiest Elf of all ! Achilleaze Aug 2018 #69
Thank you, Achilleaze! trusty elf Aug 2018 #71
I know that. You know that. Tell the walking dead that. Snellius Aug 2018 #2
And they'd be just the sort who'd "boil over" ... maddiemom Aug 2018 #10
Sometimes I wonder if trump is doing what many dictators have done in the past Perseus Aug 2018 #14
as his last wife reported-only book trump read was the hitler playbook he kept by his bed. Sunlei Aug 2018 #18
Is that really true? Snellius Aug 2018 #28
No he kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed. nt tblue37 Aug 2018 #46
And Hitler used to rehearse his speaking style. Like an actor. Took photos of various poses... Snellius Aug 2018 #50
His speech style TheRealNorth Aug 2018 #56
Especially the bully boy chin. Coincidental or copied? Snellius Aug 2018 #57
He certainly uses Goebbel's "big lie" technique with his repeating... brush Aug 2018 #29
That's in Mein Kampf too. If you have to tell a lie, tell a big one. Snellius Aug 2018 #52
trump's LIES are BIG and small.. and he Cha Aug 2018 #68
No, the book was a collection of Hitler's speeches --just as bad, but not "Mein Kampf." nt tblue37 Aug 2018 #48
thanks for correction. Hard to keep track of sworn depositions of ALL horrid trumpisms Sunlei Aug 2018 #58
I actually watch these rallies. These walking dead conventions. Snellius Aug 2018 #25
The audience "getting even further out there" - have you been hearing about Qanon? onlyadream Aug 2018 #38
So true! And truly scary. Even scarier is what will happen if they win. Snellius Aug 2018 #45
The republican party has completely changed onlyadream Aug 2018 #53
You're right. Like USSR before the fall. No ideological justification. Just power. Snellius Aug 2018 #54
That's similar to what John Podhoretz said today on MSNBC Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #64
Apparently there are craigslist ads about a week before every rally greymattermom Aug 2018 #26
Those stupid hats cost $45 bucks. He promotes these rallies (and shop) under his tweets. Snellius Aug 2018 #31
He is unique in man kinds history Cosmocat Aug 2018 #40
True about violence but Hitler's rise was perfectly legal, democratic, and constitutional Snellius Aug 2018 #51
I know, but his path was a LOT longer time wise and violence, murder Cosmocat Aug 2018 #61
Very true. Street mob violence was common in Germany after WWI. Especially among ex-soldiers Snellius Aug 2018 #63
This is the second paid Trump audience thread I've seen today. displacedtexan Aug 2018 #44
My exact phrase for a long time now Cosmocat Aug 2018 #23
The day of reckoning is coming. GOTV! dalton99a Aug 2018 #3
And The Numbers Are...What? Me. Aug 2018 #4
Exactly DownriverDem Aug 2018 #5
Same Here ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #37
Days, hours, minutes and seconds until election day. brush Aug 2018 #33
After the information True Blue American Aug 2018 #6
Don't underestimate any of what is happening Perseus Aug 2018 #19
Yep. They want that help AGAIN. calimary Aug 2018 #55
After seeing for themselves duforsure Aug 2018 #7
Yet, another poll came out this week NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #8
The President who has lied more, probably, than all other Presidents combined ? steve2470 Aug 2018 #9
It's beyond sad, it's a preventable tragedy. We need better education, period. flibbitygiblets Aug 2018 #11
That's exactly why Republicans are anti-education. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #12
Which is why this should be a top Democratic priority once we're in charge flibbitygiblets Aug 2018 #16
Sums it up nicely. A big K&R. brush Aug 2018 #36
So true. DeVos was put in charge of the Education Dept. to further destroy public education. brush Aug 2018 #34
Bingo. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #35
LOL, great tagline: "tRump can fool all of the sheeple all of the time" flibbitygiblets Aug 2018 #42
agree that is a self inflicted wound, but "education" is not the magic bullet Cosmocat Aug 2018 #43
We have too many well educated young True Blue American Aug 2018 #60
While I do sense what you are posting Cosmocat Aug 2018 #62
True, but True Blue American Aug 2018 #66
Bell Curve kurtcagle Aug 2018 #59
I am beyond relying on the "numbers"... berksdem Aug 2018 #13
doubt even his own family 'trusts' him but they'll still back him. Sunlei Aug 2018 #15
Shit article, since it doesn't link to any of ther data. I found this on the comment's Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2018 #20
Boy, That Was Hard To Read ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #39
See this PDF published billh58 Aug 2018 #41
Thanks But, ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #65
I want to see the poll numbers myself, not someone's conclusion. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #21
The only link I billh58 Aug 2018 #22
No poll results at either link. Just the same headline as yours and a paragraph gristy Aug 2018 #24
Actually, this poll shows more than billh58 Aug 2018 #30
Ok, thanks for that link gristy Aug 2018 #47
Oh well then, billh58 Aug 2018 #49
"Trump's dealings with Vladimir Putin, his handling of immigration and the separation of children... TeamPooka Aug 2018 #27
Oh, darn. Bayard Aug 2018 #32

trusty elf

(7,394 posts)
70. Hey Cha!
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 05:36 AM
Aug 2018

Yeah, I did it.

Photoshopping is one of the ways I try to deal with my frustration/exasperation/disgust/contempt/disbelief/etc.








Cha

(297,289 posts)
73. You do excellent work! The Twilight
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 06:34 AM
Aug 2018

Zone is my Go To for the Insane Asylum and head Zombie that took over our White House..

That and..

Too bad we're not exaggerating or using hyperbole. It's so surreal to even be typing this.. I know it's cathartic to take up Photoshopping!

I took to twitter..

trusty elf

(7,394 posts)
71. Thank you, Achilleaze!
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 05:50 AM
Aug 2018

Much appreciated!

Let me take this opportunity to tell you how much I enjoy your posts!

Back atcha with a tip of the hat!




Snellius

(6,881 posts)
2. I know that. You know that. Tell the walking dead that.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 08:51 AM
Aug 2018

The only thing more disturbing than Trump is the morons who follow this moron. Talk about blind leading the blind. Dumb leading the dumber. Problem is in trying to convince them how stupid they are without telling them how stupid they are.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
10. And they'd be just the sort who'd "boil over" ...
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:29 AM
Aug 2018

if the 2016 election were redone or set right (too bad the Constitution doesn't provide election redress). If the reverse were true, Democrats would probably just grumble and bitch. Trumpers are truly scary in their ignorance, as shown every time one is interviewed.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
14. Sometimes I wonder if trump is doing what many dictators have done in the past
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:44 AM
Aug 2018

to create a lie on his popularity. Sometimes I wonder if they are paying many of these people to attend his rallies.

A good journalist needs to do some investigating on that. I know countries where they actually went to other states with empty buses, filled them up with ignorant people, gave them red shirts, gave them food and liquor, took them to the rallies, then drove them back, and the appearance was one of popularity, that is how they filled the stadiums.

When you watch these people on TV, some of them have this look of "being somewhere else", when they hear the claps they join, after the clapping is done they look away again, like they are not really there, they are not listening to the idiot talk.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
18. as his last wife reported-only book trump read was the hitler playbook he kept by his bed.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:50 AM
Aug 2018

trumps bible was mein kampf "outlines hitlers political ideology and future plans"

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
50. And Hitler used to rehearse his speaking style. Like an actor. Took photos of various poses...
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:47 PM
Aug 2018

and tones of voice that he would analyze to see what had the most effect.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
56. His speech style
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:32 PM
Aug 2018

His speech style and facial expressions remind me more of clips I have seen of Mussolini. Especially the facial expressions.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
57. Especially the bully boy chin. Coincidental or copied?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:37 PM
Aug 2018


On edit: On closer look, this Trump photo is probably photoshopped. But there are others, not, where the likeness is uncanny.

But how did that go for Il Duce?:

brush

(53,785 posts)
29. He certainly uses Goebbel's "big lie" technique with his repeating...
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:34 AM
Aug 2018

over and over and over of "no collusion, no collusion" and "fake news-enemy-of-the-people press".

He does it purposely and it works among his rabid supporters. They repeat it over and over now.

The good thing is his rabid base is only about 26% of the population.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
52. That's in Mein Kampf too. If you have to tell a lie, tell a big one.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:55 PM
Aug 2018

Otherwise no one will believe you.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
58. thanks for correction. Hard to keep track of sworn depositions of ALL horrid trumpisms
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 02:46 PM
Aug 2018

so many sworn court records/depositions by his wives, woman he abused, child he raped & trump employee witness.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
25. I actually watch these rallies. These walking dead conventions.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:21 AM
Aug 2018

From my days as a European historian (Nazi Germany), I learned that, in the art of political warfare, the number one rule is know your enemy, without underestimating them. And for most (no, ALL) of these cretins, "deplorable" is a compliment. And the audience seems to be getting even further out there. I've noted white guys carrying "Blacks for Trump" signs and men carrying "Women for Trump". And Trump has increasingly fallen into this litany of red-meat catchphrases and rambling incoherency that only a psycho-historian can decipher. He's remarkably open in a way when you learn to read between the lines (or is it, lies).He always lies about "If you think this is a huge crowd, you should see how many are outside." This is not true. They whip themselves into a kind of revivalist frenzy, like at Nuremberg. They've gotten so extreme I think they might start to backfire. They should be called "deplorables" without apologies. Just have to have faith that decent, sensible people still exist. Who don't want to be associated with this crowd.

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
38. The audience "getting even further out there" - have you been hearing about Qanon?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:59 AM
Aug 2018

This is some scary shit!

I'm sorry to say that all these polls and ideas that we're really winning rings false in my ears. I want to believe it, I really do, but I have a sinking feeling (just like that feeling at 7:00pm on election day 2016). I live on Long Island (NY) and just about everyone I know, loves Trump. No one really knows any details about what he's doing, or what he's done. They simply don't care. They're carried away on emotion, especially the "us versus them" crap.
So, when I hear stories how they have to bus in supporters, I shake my head and think "wishful thinking". The supporters are there. They love him, and he can do no wrong in their eyes. It's facinating and frightening.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
45. So true! And truly scary. Even scarier is what will happen if they win.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:36 PM
Aug 2018

It's become like two different species. I have studied right-wing politics for a long time, primarily European, and the American right is unique and much harder to understand because it is not really ideological as it was with fascism. The only defining character is not what they stand for. They don't know. But they know who they hate. But who they hate is almost as hard to pin down. They are not necessarily racist or zealots or even nationalistic. What they hate is "us" or "them" who they demonize as "elites" or "baby killers" or the "others". They will always find someone to hate. Some hated "Jews". Each comes with his own private grudge. It's more psychological than logical. The self-loathing that they are looked down upon and ridiculed. It's a new type of "fascism" that Trump via Bannon really understands, intuitively. The most terrifying is that Americans, that any "civilized", rational human being can think and act like this. I used to tell my students in German history it's a mistake to think what happened there was because Hitler was evil and that it can't happen here. After all, the Nazis thought of themselves as "decent, civilized" heroes who were doing what they thought was a good thing. If they win, expect to see counter hysteria on the left.

onlyadream

(2,166 posts)
53. The republican party has completely changed
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:58 PM
Aug 2018

And the old style republicans are now displaced, and lost.

As we all see, this is not the GOP of 10 years ago. The tea-party came in and basically infultrated it, and created a wedge. Then Trump came in and all hell broke loose.

Of course, many old style republicans are hanging back (holding on for dear life) telling themselves that they'll get their deregulations and tax cuts and all will be well. No danger in going of a cliff... but there is danger. Trump and his cult are dangerously changing the USA, and many changes are not easily reversed (such as the farmers losing their international markets). The question is, how far is this thing going to go?

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
54. You're right. Like USSR before the fall. No ideological justification. Just power.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 01:14 PM
Aug 2018

Almost a disavowal of everything Republicans used to stand for.

The really odd thing is that I don't think they really even like Trump. He's an asshole. Everyone knows an asshole. Even his die-hard zombies know he's an asshole. Which seems to be why they like him. He's not charismatic in any way other than that he has this pretense of being double-down strong. But even then it's obvious he's a loser at heart. The "laughingstock" he always talks about is him. Historians will be working on this for a long time. Like with Nixon. But in this case it's kind of a revolt of the dispossessed. That's possessed. We just can't panic.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
64. That's similar to what John Podhoretz said today on MSNBC
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 08:38 PM
Aug 2018

He pointed to Phil Rucker of WaPo and John Heiliman and an HRC woman and other guests and said that Trump's base doesn't necessarily agree with everything he's doing, but the larger fact is they HATE liberals like YOU and will lie to pollsters rather than admit something that liberals will like.

They want to hurt US more than they want to help Trump.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
26. Apparently there are craigslist ads about a week before every rally
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:23 AM
Aug 2018

looking for folks to attend. I think they get free campaign merch, so Trump profits from it personally. It's easy to check. Maybe the press should just ask the attendees if they got anything for attending. How about just saying "Cool hat. How much did it cost?"

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
31. Those stupid hats cost $45 bucks. He promotes these rallies (and shop) under his tweets.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:40 AM
Aug 2018

The prices of all his religious relics and prayer beads is really absurd. He makes a buck off of everything. If he were a savior, he'd steal from the poor.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
40. He is unique in man kinds history
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:20 PM
Aug 2018

Every other dictator I can think of has gained power in some part at least though violence, thuggery or straight up force.

I can't think of any example in the history of man kind where a functioning democracy was so fucking stupid as to let democratically elect a raging sociopath and move to an authoritarian, fascist state.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
51. True about violence but Hitler's rise was perfectly legal, democratic, and constitutional
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:52 PM
Aug 2018

Unfortunately, the Weimar constitution and parliamentary system was full of loopholes. But so is ours if anyone really tries to exploit them.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
61. I know, but his path was a LOT longer time wise and violence, murder
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 07:41 PM
Aug 2018

and the fear of violence and murder were instrumental to his rise to the top over a decade ...

This country childishly turned itself over to a cut rate dictator in a one and a half year period with the only threat to anyone being their existential fear of the evil liberal boogyman ...

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
63. Very true. Street mob violence was common in Germany after WWI. Especially among ex-soldiers
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 08:10 PM
Aug 2018

All still armed but now unemployed By ex-military, generals like Ludendorff, and on the right and left. Communists as well. Violence was everywhere during the Weimar Republic. NSDAP no exception. What set it apart was their organization and ideology. By 1933 Hitler had abandoned his military attire for a plain, respectable suit. The violence as a terror weapon was working against his popular vote and his alliance with the army and industrialists. Once they took power Rohm and his Brown Shirt SA thugs were ruthlessly purged. Others, more disciplined, took their place, the violence and terror institutionalized in the Gestapo and SS, who used it to wipe out any opposition. Sorry for the lecture. I used to teach it and get carried away.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
44. This is the second paid Trump audience thread I've seen today.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:30 PM
Aug 2018

I grew up surrounded by deplorables, and I spent several years teaching their children. If Trump's audience members are paid, it's because they answered the ad asking for deplorables to get paid to see the Trump show. Actors aren't that good at pretending to be deplorable.

I'm also a lifetime student of syntax and structure, and I'm fascinated by writing styles. Where dd you go to school?

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
5. Exactly
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 09:32 AM
Aug 2018

I tried to find the poll, but no luck. Just saying trump's trust numbers are down, with no actual poll results doesn't get it.

ProfessorGAC

(65,064 posts)
37. Same Here
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:56 AM
Aug 2018

The links didn't provide anything and the links inside the links didn't send me anywhere but Axios.

brush

(53,785 posts)
33. Days, hours, minutes and seconds until election day.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:42 AM
Aug 2018

Objects in mirror/graphic are closer than they appear.

True Blue American

(17,985 posts)
6. After the information
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 09:42 AM
Aug 2018

The Trump team is hiring on Craig’s list for people to attend his rallies,Omarasos book on Trump
Talks about his mental decline and his rankings are getting worse all the tome.

His Intelligence people are speaking out in our defense. Even Lindsey Graham is coming up with a new sanctions bill.

Trump is being sued all over.

Even in my morning paper Columbus Ohio is suing him over his attack on the ACA.



 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
19. Don't underestimate any of what is happening
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:50 AM
Aug 2018

Like Grover Norquist said, "all you need is an idiot who can handle a pen", and the idiot is in the WH, he is taking orders from other republicans, I have to assume Pence is bringing a lot of the ideas, Putin is also sending orders.

This is exactly what happened in Venezuela, and although Hugo Chavez was intelligent, Maduro is not, all he does is take orders from Cuba, which is what Chavez did too, until he got wise and that is when Castro got rid of him. The playbook that was used in Venezuela is being used in the USA, the difference is that Venezuela was played by Cuba, and the USA is being played by Russia, the odds are against the USA when you have complicit people in power.

The media keeps asking, why did trump eliminate the position of cybersecurity officer?, why is it that republicans are not doing anything to safeguard the 2018 election? Please....it cannot be more clear, because they know Russian intervention helps them win, they can't do it otherwise and all they care is about power, even if they have to commit treason.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
7. After seeing for themselves
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:15 AM
Aug 2018

At Helsinki, trumps working for and taking orders from putin , and he committed treason against this country. That's without being exposed fully from the meeting, and from him taking orders from a pissed putin he hasn't lifted his sanctions for him yet, or gotten rid of Mueller and his investigation yet. Putins also gotten a number of members in Congress compromsied and working for him also now. That's why they chose to go after Hillary , the Democrats didn't have near as much dirt to use against them when they needed Congress, but the republicans had many more that they could have compromised from corruption , and illegal acts they know about now. Its backfiring on putin and trump now, and they know almost everything on them now.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. Yet, another poll came out this week
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:23 AM
Aug 2018

that said a majority of Trump supporters trust Donny Dollhands over their own families

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
9. The President who has lied more, probably, than all other Presidents combined ?
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:27 AM
Aug 2018

And people STILL trust him ?

These people are deluded fools. Sad that 25 to 30% of our populace is like this.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
11. It's beyond sad, it's a preventable tragedy. We need better education, period.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:39 AM
Aug 2018

If this doesn't convince people, nothing will.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
16. Which is why this should be a top Democratic priority once we're in charge
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:46 AM
Aug 2018

Educated people aren't racist
Educated people don't vote against their own best interests
Educated people can identify actual fake news
Educated people know history, and see the warning signs of when it's about to be repeated
Educated people eat healthier diets, and therefore are less burdensome on healthcare systems
Educated people make more money

Uneducated people are good at parroting bite-sized talking points, and call it good.

brush

(53,785 posts)
34. So true. DeVos was put in charge of the Education Dept. to further destroy public education.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:46 AM
Aug 2018

Lincoln's old adage of: "You can fool all of the people some of the time; some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

trump's base are in the "some of the people all of the time" group.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
43. agree that is a self inflicted wound, but "education" is not the magic bullet
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:24 PM
Aug 2018

it isn't the younger people who support this sociopath, or Rs in general.

Basically, the older a demographic is, the more succeptable to the bullshit that conservatism spews they become.

The younger the age group, the more they see him for the POS he is.

THIS IS NOT SAYING THAT EDUCATION IS NOT UNDER ATTACK AND THAT WE DON"T HAVE TO BATTLE THAT. Just saying that isn't the primary reason we have 45.

True Blue American

(17,985 posts)
60. We have too many well educated young
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 04:46 PM
Aug 2018

In this Country to think they will put up with the corruption of Trump and his gang. He won by hook and by crook. That will not stand.

Young adult educated women support has dropped by 50%. Educated males are dropping.

Honest Republicans are turning away,speaking out. You can not spew out all that hate and keep friends. Koch brothers are supporting Democrats. Democrats raked in 1 billion in Campaign funds.

It is also becoming increasingly clear trump is deyeriorating badly. His tariffs are beginning to cause Problems. Exports dropped. The deficit is exploding. Nothing is being accomplished.

I do not think now is the time to be pessimistic.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
62. While I do sense what you are posting
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 07:46 PM
Aug 2018

that his support is very fragile right now ...

It is instructive to note that things have to be THIS FUCKING BAD for Rs to suffer electorally, and that bar has been lowered more and more over time.

I mean, it took W lying us into Iraq (and there was literally NO accountability for his admin doing so) and the economy blowing up to get D control of congress for just four years - and the Rs having the biggest mid term win modern history to retake congress by large margins (not to mention state governments) because they threw a fit over the dems passing THEIR GD version of health care.

IF Rubio was POTUS today, they would be doing a lot of the horrible policy things 45 is doing, and the country would be rolling over completely to it ...

True Blue American

(17,985 posts)
66. True, but
Sat Aug 4, 2018, 12:29 AM
Aug 2018

Now they are being exposed as to just how corrupt the Republican Party has become.

We will always have a small group of swamp dwellers who do not care how they get into power. But the majority of people do not want that kind of country. They had to elect someone as bad as Trump to expose just how bad they have become.

I may be too optimistic but there are signs of hope. There are even cracks at Fox News. Good Reporters speaking out. They are now saying they do not think they should have Reporters at Trump Rallies.

Trump himself is getting more erratic all the time. His ramblings and rages getting worse. His Intelligence Agencies speaking out about the Russians. I believe they are staying to protect us.

kurtcagle

(1,603 posts)
59. Bell Curve
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 03:43 PM
Aug 2018

Remember that half of the population (50%) is "below average" intelligence wise by definition. 33% of the populace is at least one standard deviation below from the mean, which translate roughly to an IQ of 85-90. Now, this is not to say that every person with a sub-par intelligence is a Trump supporter, but they make up the overwhelming bulk.

berksdem

(595 posts)
13. I am beyond relying on the "numbers"...
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:43 AM
Aug 2018

these idiots will vote for him no matter what. blind faith is a scary thing and unless we GOTV it won't matter. We know these morons will come out to vote for him...

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
20. Shit article, since it doesn't link to any of ther data. I found this on the comment's
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:54 AM
Aug 2018

Last edited Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:43 AM - Edit history (1)

section of the article. Appears to have been posted by the author but I can't speak to the veracity of any of it:

Here's the memo... no link
MEMORANDUM
TO: Interested Parties
FROM: Priorities USA
Garin-Hart-Yang Research Group
Global Strategy Group
DATE: August 3, 2018
RE: New Poll & Messaging Guidance: Russia, Immigration and Trade War Sticking to Trump
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summary
Donald Trump’s dealings with Vladimir Putin, his handling of immigration and the separation of children from their families, and the impact of his trade war have stuck with voters in a way nothing else has since the beginning of his presidency and greatly imperil Republican chances in November. In response to an open-ended question, voters volunteer in large numbers concerns about these issues, showing the remarkable saliency the recent negative actions by the Trump administration have had. This translates into the worst ratings for Trump on his truthfulness, temperament, dealings with Russia, and immigration policies we have not seen in any of our eleven previous national tracking surveys on the Trump presidency.
Aspects of the economy are significant vulnerabilities for Trump. Only 35% say that Trump’s economic policies are good for people like them, and only 33% report a favorable opinion of the Trump-Republican tax bill. By 47% to 22%, voters say things are getting worse rather than better in terms of wages keeping up with the cost of living – a significantly more negative result than our February measurement. By a 20-point margin, voters say increases in the cost of living have outstripped any tax cut they may have received. Trump continues to be identified in voters’ minds as looking out for the interests of wealthy people and big corporations rather than the interests of regular people. Despite Trump’s bragging, our poll finds that President Trump’s economic record falls far short as a counterweight to all of the other negative impressions that surround him.
The survey results identify many opportunities for Democrats and progressives to reinforce voters’ growing concerns about Trump, including among a key group of Trump voters whose current support for him is weak. Especially important in this regard is the record of Donald Trump and the Republicans in giving large tax cuts to drug companies and health insurance companies while allowing them to raise drug prices and insurance premiums without any limits. Unlike Russia and immigration, voters won’t hear about this as much in the press, meaning Democrats must continue to carry the message in paid media and on the campaign trail.
The Fight for Congress
Voters’ unhappiness with Donald Trump has given Democrats their largest lead in the generic congressional trial heat in any of our three national surveys this year. Nationally, 49% of voters say they intend to vote for their Democratic candidate in their district, while 41% say they intend to vote for the Republican candidate. Democrats have large advantages among women, particularly college-educated women, younger voters, African American voters, and Hispanic voters.
In addition to having a lead with voters overall, Democrats have regained a significant advantage in voter enthusiasm: 75% of those who intend to vote for a Democrat say they are highly enthusiastic and motivated about voting, compared to 64% of those who intend to vote for a Republican. Non-college educated white voters, who often are thought of as Trump’s base, report substantially lower levels of motivation than other parts of the electorate. Among all highly-motivated voters (68% of the total electorate), Democrats are ahead in the generic congressional trial heat by 54% to 38%.
Our survey results clearly indicate that the Trump factor is helping Democrats and hurting Republicans. By 51% to 37%, voters say they would rather see more Democrats elected to Congress to be a check and balance on Trump than more Republicans elected to Congress to help Trump pass his policies and programs. Notably, voters who backed Trump in 2016 are far less eager to elect Republicans to help Trump (75%) than Clinton voters are to elect Democrats to be a check on Trump (94%). This reflects the fact that Clinton voters are far more likely to strongly disapprove of Trump’s performance (83%) than Trump voters are to voice strong approval (63%). Among the 37% of Trump voters who do not strongly approve of him, just 52% want to elect Republicans to help him pass his policies. Large shares of these weak Trump voters express an unfavorable reaction to Trump’s temperament and leadership style (53%), his dealings with Russia and Vladimir Putin (48%), and his truthfulness in the things that he says (47%). By 35% to 27% they express more doubts than confidence about whether Trump has the integrity and honesty a president should have (34% say they feel somewhere in between).
The Weakness of Trump’s Economic Position
For as much as President Trump brags on his economic record, the new Priorities USA poll shows that voters are largely unimpressed and most of them are not feeling any personal benefit from Trump’s policies despite viewing them as a boon for the wealthy.
When asked about their reaction to what they have been hearing lately about Trump’s economic policies, voters are equally divided: 41% report a favorable reaction, and 41% report an unfavorable reaction. Trump’s trade war clearly is a liability for him: by 56% to 31% voters report having an unfavorable reaction to what they have heard lately about Trump’s trade policies and his decisions to engage in a trade war with China and Europe.
But the weakness of Trump’s economic position goes far beyond trade policy. Even as national job statistics improve, only 37% say that things are getting better in their own communities with regard to the availability of good jobs. A significantly larger share of the electorate, 47%, say that things are getting worse with regard to wages and incomes keeping up with the cost of living (only 22% say things are changing for the better). Among non-college educated white voters, more say that things are changing for the worse than for the better with regard to wages. Nearly two thirds of voters (64%) say that the cost of health care is getting worse, including 57% of weak Trump voters.
When we ask voters about their opinion of the new tax law passed by the Republicans and signed by President Trump, only 33% are favorable, 21% are neutral, and 38% are unfavorable. One reason why the tax law is doing so little to help Trump and the Republicans who passed it is that most voters feel the law is doing little to help them. Just 24% say the tax cut they received is larger than any increase in the cost of living they are experiencing, while 44% say their increased cost of living exceeds any tax cut they may have received.
One of the key questions Democrats and progressive should use to frame this election is “whose side are you on.” Of particular note in this regard is that by 61% to 5% voters say things are getting better for people who already are wealthy, while by 38% to 32% these same voters say things are getting worse for the middle class and average working families. It is little wonder, then, that voters say by 56% to 25% that Trump mainly looks out for the interests of wealthy people and big corporations rather than the interests of regular people. Even among Trump voters, just 54% have a clear sense that Trump is focused on the interests of regular people.
Advancing the Case Against Trump and the GOP
One of the clear and important takeaways from this survey is that Democrats and progressive should be playing offense against Trump and Republicans on economic issues, including on the cost of health care.
The best testing message in our survey that advances the economic/health care argument against Trump and the GOP is this:
Donald Trump and the Republicans in Congress have given large tax cuts to drug companies and health insurance companies, while allowing them to raise drug prices and insurance premiums without any limits.
Fully 70% of voters have an unfavorable reaction to these policies, including 57% who are very unfavorable. Nearly half of all Trump voters, including 62% of weak Trump voters, have an unfavorable reaction to Trump and the GOP Congress on this matter – showing its potential to cut into the Trump base. Non-college educated white women react strongly against Trump and the GOP on this matter.
There is nearly as strong reaction by voters against efforts by Trump and the Republicans to cut Medicare and Medicaid: 65% overall react unfavorably when they learn that “the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress have submitted budget proposals that include large cuts to Medicare and Medicaid.” A 52% majority are very unfavorable. This issue also is important in winning over white non-college women in the upcoming elections.
The battle over Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh also provides an opportunity for Democrats and progressive to make an important point about health care: 59% are unfavorable (including 49% who are very unfavorable) when they learn that Trump “nominated a new U.S. Supreme Court Justice who is likely to overturn and eliminate the protections for people with pre-existing medical conditions in the Affordable Care Act.”
It is worth noting that a second argument related to Kavanaugh also is potent: 58% are unfavorable (including 48% who are very unfavorable) when they learn that Trump “nominated a new U.S. Supreme Court Justice who has argued that a president cannot be indicted for criminal offenses and cannot be required by a special counsel to turn over evidence.”
Trump’s inhumane “zero tolerance” actions on immigration proves uniquely motivating for Democratic voters. Of all the issues we tested, the one that evokes the strongest reaction from voters who already intend to support Democrats this November is: “the Trump administration instituted a new immigration policy that separated children from their parents at the border and held young children in government detention facilities” (87% very unfavorable). Voters across the board reject Trump’s cruel family separation policies. This is a reversal from recent elections that saw immigration as a more motivating issue for Republicans than Democrats.
About This Poll
Garin-Hart-Yang and Global Strategy Group conducted this poll by telephone July 26 – July 31, with a representative national cross section of 1,000 presidential year voters and recent registrants. The margin of error is +/- 3.1 percentage points, and care has been taken to ensure that the geographic and demographic divisions of the electorate are properly represented based on past voter turnout statistics.










ProfessorGAC

(65,064 posts)
39. Boy, That Was Hard To Read
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:59 AM
Aug 2018

But at least, there were some numbers and the questions asked to some degree.

I agree the article is crap given quite a lot of extra digging was needed to come up with something, anything to support the article.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. I want to see the poll numbers myself, not someone's conclusion.
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 10:55 AM
Aug 2018

They aren't in that article, or the link in that article. ???

gristy

(10,667 posts)
24. No poll results at either link. Just the same headline as yours and a paragraph
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:12 AM
Aug 2018

I was lured by the "plummeting" characterization. Invariably the numbers (when given) to back up such a characterization show him to have dropped a couple points, so the usual click bait. Your links don't even show any poll results.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
30. Actually, this poll shows more than
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:38 AM
Aug 2018

just "a couple points."

By a wide margin of 50% to 27%, voters across the country say that they have had an unfavorable rather than a favorable reaction to what they have heard recently about Donald Trump’s environmental policies. Independent voters hold this view by an even wider 55% to 13% margin, and one-quarter of “soft” Republicans say they are unfavorable toward President Trump on this topic. White non-college educated women – who overwhelmingly backed Trump in November’s election – are also unfavorable toward the president’s environmental policies thus far, by 40% to 28%.

https://www.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/M-12146f-LCV.pdf


gristy

(10,667 posts)
47. Ok, thanks for that link
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 12:42 PM
Aug 2018

But the link gives results of one poll. At least two polls, separated by some period of time, are needed to characterize a result as a change, such as "plummeting".

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
27. "Trump's dealings with Vladimir Putin, his handling of immigration and the separation of children...
Fri Aug 3, 2018, 11:33 AM
Aug 2018

from their families, and the impact of his trade war have stuck with voters in a way nothing else has since the beginning of his presidency.”
Ok Democratic candidates, here are your 2018 issues to keep hammering on.

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