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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:02 AM Jun 2018

Mueller Poised to Zero in on Trump-Russia Collusion Allegations

Source: Bloomberg

(Bloomberg) -- Special Counsel Robert Mueller is preparing to accelerate his probe into possible collusion between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and Russians who sought to interfere in the 2016 election, according to a person familiar with the probe.

Mueller and his team of prosecutors and investigators have an eye toward producing conclusions -- and possible indictments -- related to collusion by fall, said the person, who asked not to be identified. He’ll be able to turn his full attention to the issue as he resolves other questions, including deciding soon whether to find that Trump sought to obstruct justice.


Read more: https://www.bloombergquint.com/uselections/2018/06/26/mueller-poised-to-zero-in-on-trump-russia-collusion-allegations

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Mueller Poised to Zero in on Trump-Russia Collusion Allegations (Original Post) louis c Jun 2018 OP
Please hurry DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #1
Time is running out for American democracy. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #7
time ran out for democracy the day of the rigged election. olddad56 Jun 2018 #24
I no longer have Hope in Mueller... FarPoint Jun 2018 #29
Sadly agree. Wuddles440 Jun 2018 #32
I disagree. We just need to remember what motivates people reliably: fear. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #34
Sorry,... Wuddles440 Jun 2018 #36
Wow, I'm sorry for your loss of hope. I won't allow apathy into my heart. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #37
By Fall? I sure as hell hope that means before the November election! nt. PearliePoo2 Jun 2018 #2
By fall bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #3
Why the timing is so crucial as I understand it, the policy is NOT to release a report PearliePoo2 Jun 2018 #5
I doubt bucolic_frolic Jun 2018 #9
I disagree. Meuller should do whatever... Whiskeytide Jun 2018 #17
I agree - Politics out, 100% integrity in - its imperative TalenaGor Jun 2018 #26
You are correct. The scope of this investigation may very well take years to fully conclude. dameatball Jun 2018 #27
Your link was funky waddirum Jun 2018 #4
By the end of August please, or at worst the beginning of Sept. lark Jun 2018 #6
Yes, we need voice intercepts, video of secret meetings... lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #8
Maybe republicans in congress Corgigal Jun 2018 #10
It's pretty obvious Trump obstructed justice on multiple occasions NewJeffCT Jun 2018 #11
Sick of the "sought" to interfere. "Interfered" is accurate. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2018 #12
I prefer conspired to interfered. gordianot Jun 2018 #13
that is fine too. Why the media always creates doubt about it occurring puzzles and infuriates me NRaleighLiberal Jun 2018 #14
Sept 1st is the date DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #15
That's the date RUDY was using leftynyc Jun 2018 #22
I heard it on MSNBC DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #25
That is probably a unwritten rule leftynyc Jun 2018 #28
Since the IG dinged Comey over the pressers in Oct/Nov DeminPennswoods Jun 2018 #30
I don't think so leftynyc Jun 2018 #33
And congress and SCOTUS will dismiss it tavernier Jun 2018 #16
If it's what you say Dopers_Greed Jun 2018 #18
I don't understand...then what the hell was Mueller doing before? I thought ... SWBTATTReg Jun 2018 #19
Hasn't he been doing this ... Whiskeytide Jun 2018 #20
Donald Trump just read this headline. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2018 #21
"Mueller, Don't Be Late" Sandy and Richard Riccardi niyad Jun 2018 #23
I can't possibly happen fast enough. Takket Jun 2018 #31
I feel like these articles are just to get our hopes up. Calista241 Jun 2018 #35

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. Time is running out for American democracy.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:57 AM
Jun 2018

Whatever he presents will have to overcome a lot of idiocy and willful ignorance. Mueller is going to have to scare the hell out of a LOT of people, or we're all doomed.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
24. time ran out for democracy the day of the rigged election.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 01:48 PM
Jun 2018

it has been a steady drift into fascism since then.

Wuddles440

(1,127 posts)
32. Sadly agree.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jun 2018

The Traitor-in-Chief and his supporters have been extremely effective in their campaign to discredit the purpose and veracity of the investigation. Many citizens now seem to believe the narrative that the investigation may have been politically motivated and initialed based on false pretenses. It's like a political campaign where one side has been defining their opponent with endless negative stories/ads month after month without any or little response from the opponent. When they do finally attempt to respond, it's too late - the damage his already been done.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
34. I disagree. We just need to remember what motivates people reliably: fear.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 03:08 PM
Jun 2018

Mueller has stuff on Trump and the Reputins that will strike fear into the hearts of all but the most hard-core 30%. He only needs to present it in a sufficiently frightening way. Let people know that Trump intends to destroy their lives and sell their children into slavery, and show them video evidence that it's real.

Wuddles440

(1,127 posts)
36. Sorry,...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 07:58 PM
Jun 2018

but if Mueller has such evidence it probably will never be made public. In fact I'm surprised that he and his staff are still alive. Furthermore, Putin will only permit so much chaos before he pulls the plug, and he's probably getting close to doing so. In reality Dear Leader's "hardcore" support is significantly higher than 30% (probably closer to 50%) and they actually control most of the media to generate favorable spin. With all due respect, you're mores reflect those of a society that recognizes a distinct difference between right and wrong, good and evil, just and unjust, benevolent and malevolent, etc. Unfortunately, we no longer live in such a society due to the vermin that now control all branches of government.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
37. Wow, I'm sorry for your loss of hope. I won't allow apathy into my heart.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 08:49 AM
Jun 2018

Will keep fighting because we can win this.

bucolic_frolic

(43,273 posts)
3. By fall
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:23 AM
Jun 2018

literally means prior to Sept 21. "During fall" would be Sept 21-Dec 21. But all of these terms are colloquially never taken very literally.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
5. Why the timing is so crucial as I understand it, the policy is NOT to release a report
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:48 AM
Jun 2018

within a certain time frame before an election so as to not influence it in any way. Is it 60 days?

Of course Jim Comey blew that established policy all to hell and that's why we're all living a hellish nightmare now.

IMO, we need this report released exposing all their corruption and treasonous filth BEFORE the November election!

bucolic_frolic

(43,273 posts)
9. I doubt
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:02 AM
Jun 2018

the FBI or anyone associated with it would make that mistake again, even if viewed as a corrective to 2016. The gears of justice should not be timed to elections. But I do think we'll see more indictments before late September, and a motherlode after the election. If they've got the goods on any crooks and political change in Washington creates a fertile ground for it, it could be real fireworks. But, you know, that's my guess.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
17. I disagree. Meuller should do whatever...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 11:15 AM
Jun 2018

... he is going to do when he feels the Investigation is complete and he has run down whatever he needs to run down. I don’t think the elections - or timing related to the elections - should figure into it at all. JMO.

dameatball

(7,399 posts)
27. You are correct. The scope of this investigation may very well take years to fully conclude.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 02:06 PM
Jun 2018

Every stone that is uncovered leads to yet another cockroach. However, I do believe significant findings will occur prior to the election and they may indeed be bombshells....to use a word we hear a lot. However, to wrap up all these cases, which probably go back decades on multiple continents.....we may not see the entire thing ended until well after the election.
So anyway.....seems to me that their will be more indictments and hopefully more guilty pleas prior to the election, but that will not be the end of it.
I for one, do not think Mark Warner was just running off at the mouth. I also agree with you that specific dates are somewhat meaningless to Mueller.

lark

(23,155 posts)
6. By the end of August please, or at worst the beginning of Sept.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:53 AM
Jun 2018

He needs time to get this information out and have it disseminate all throughout our country. Please release the tapes ASAP!! The deplorables have to have this shoved up their noses in incontrovertible form so even their tiny ignorant brains get that he broke our nations elections laws thrugh a conspiracy with Russia and even possibly Israel, UAE & Saudi Arabia?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
8. Yes, we need voice intercepts, video of secret meetings...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 08:58 AM
Jun 2018

something that will frighten Trump's illiterate hordes enough to wake them up.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
11. It's pretty obvious Trump obstructed justice on multiple occasions
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 09:38 AM
Jun 2018

is each tweet related to Trump/Russia a separate count of Obstruction and/or witness tampering?

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
15. Sept 1st is the date
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:48 AM
Jun 2018

most news programs are using. I'm not sure, but DoJ policy might be not to release anything within 60 days of an election.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. That's the date RUDY was using
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 01:20 PM
Jun 2018

It's arbitrary and I don't want Mueller to feel rushed. He'll file when he's ready.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
25. I heard it on MSNBC
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 01:58 PM
Jun 2018

Again, it might be DoJ policy that nothing is publicized about 60 days or so before an election.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
28. That is probably a unwritten rule
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 02:07 PM
Jun 2018

but after what comey did, I don't care when he files. And neither should anyone else.

tavernier

(12,398 posts)
16. And congress and SCOTUS will dismiss it
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 10:48 AM
Jun 2018

and over rule. That is THEIR plan. Hoping Mueller has a checkmate up his sleeve.

SWBTATTReg

(22,158 posts)
19. I don't understand...then what the hell was Mueller doing before? I thought ...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jun 2018

that this is what he's been working on all along...

So, is this another 'not true' news article by Bloomberg that's Mueller's team have taken to task about reporting on things that aren't true (recently Wash Post and another, NYT?)...

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
20. Hasn't he been doing this ...
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 12:34 PM
Jun 2018

... from day one? Isn’t that the purpose of his appointment?

It is a complicated investigation, and there are dozens of players and many facets to the activity being investigated. Every time he turns over a rock, he finds not only a couple of snakes, but also more rocks.

But based on who has flipped and pled, and based on investigative reports by multiple journalists, there is plenty of stink all over everyone involved. I suspect by now Meuller knows very well what happened and who was in on it. My hope is that he is simply making a list of admissible evidence under each element of each crime and making a legal judgement about what he can prove beyond a reasonable doubt and what he can’t prove to that burden.

To me, Flynn has always been the key. He and Manafort were right in the middle of it all. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who would flip unless they had him and/or his son securely by the balls. If he is genuinely cooperating, I think he brings down the whole gang. The alternative is not pleasant - that they really don’t have much on Flynn beyond the charges filed, and that he is pleading guilty to fall on the sword, giving up little in return. If that is the case, then Meuller’s findings will land with a whimper rather than a bang, and DU will implode with anguish.





Tommy_Carcetti

(43,197 posts)
21. Donald Trump just read this headline.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 12:44 PM
Jun 2018

".......Zero......Trump-Russia Collusion......"


"Ha ha! Vindication!"

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
35. I feel like these articles are just to get our hopes up.
Tue Jun 26, 2018, 03:24 PM
Jun 2018

No sources are quoted. No real information is new or released or even noteworthy. It’s just an analysis piece that refers to “sources.”

I, for one, will not hold my breath waiting for a report or indictments.

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