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Judi Lynn

(160,554 posts)
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 05:37 PM Jun 2018

Trump ally apologises for 'cotton-picking' comment about black strategist

Source: Guardian


Citizens United president David Bossie posts public apology for using racially charged term on Fox & Friends

Edward Helmore

Sun 24 Jun 2018 16.53 EDT

David Bossie, a close ally and supporter of Donald Trump, apologised on Sunday for using a racially charged term when he said a black Democratic strategist was “out of his cotton-picking mind”.

Now president of the conservative advocacy group Citizens United, Bossie was a deputy campaign manager for Trump in the 2016 election. He is co-author with former Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski of a book about the campaign, Let Trump Be Trump.

Lewandowski attracted controversy this week in his own appearance on Fox, when he appeared to mock the plight of a girl with Down’s syndrome who was said to have been caught up in the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy. On Saturday the two men accompanied Trump on a trip to Nevada.

On Sunday, Bossie appeared Fox & Friends – the president’s favoured show – for a discussion about liberal reactions to Trump’s immigration policy.


Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/24/trump-ally-apologises-for-cotton-picking-comment-about-black-strategist

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Trump ally apologises for 'cotton-picking' comment about black strategist (Original Post) Judi Lynn Jun 2018 OP
It's all out in the open now BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #1
apology not accepted jpak Jun 2018 #2
Nor should it be. He owes all of us a WAY bigger apology than that. calimary Jun 2018 #20
Going from dog whistles to full throated barks. bearsfootball516 Jun 2018 #3
Bossie appears to be from Boston, where I doubt "cotton-picking" is a common phrase flibbitygiblets Jun 2018 #4
Ah. It's a common phrase in the South towards anyone of any color catrose Jun 2018 #28
Born and raised in Roxbury, a part of Boston, back in the 40s. Cold War Spook Jun 2018 #36
For the first time since Trump was elected... flotsam Jun 2018 #5
True, it could be a mistake. Why, I remember the last time I said that about someone -- LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #8
I've never even heard a Southerner say that. And that guy was from Massachusetts. flibbitygiblets Jun 2018 #16
Ya'll jist wait a gol-dawn-cottin-pickin-minit ThoughtCriminal Jun 2018 #10
GOP turd meant it as a racist insult to the black panelist, no question. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #26
Same here. Raised in south Louisiana. It's an old expression not intended to be racial. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #30
Gay. Grew up in the North. teenagebambam Jun 2018 #27
Yeah, it's an old expression. It's in some books, movies, cartoons. Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #31
I'm inclined to say it, now and again. Chemisse Jun 2018 #37
It may have been inadvertent but Payne's reaction belies your assumption Kind of Blue Jun 2018 #33
I've Never Used RobinA Jun 2018 #35
Cold, bold, racist, bigoted. Bossie 'cotton picking,' Lewandowski 'womp, womp' appalachiablue Jun 2018 #6
I just watched the video segment RVN VET71 Jun 2018 #7
Heard it my whole life. Had it tossed at me my whole life too. 7962 Jun 2018 #12
So many intelligent people were able to live their entire lives without saying it, ever. Judi Lynn Jun 2018 #19
Sure. A lot of people also go their entire lives without cursing too. 7962 Jun 2018 #23
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #32
Back in the day when Eney Meney Miney Moe angstlessk Jun 2018 #17
And just because you daddy did it don't make it wrong. Igel Jun 2018 #24
The "catch a bleep by the toes" was wrong I don't care who said it or when RVN VET71 Jun 2018 #39
Inadvertent Trumpdumper Jun 2018 #9
This is my exact experience Momgonepostal Jun 2018 #25
But this was a calculated dog whistle for FOX ears Snellius Jun 2018 #38
My grandparents were itinerant cotton pickers thbobby Jun 2018 #11
If he wasn't a lunatic (dolt45 supporter) I would give him a pass. Scruffy1 Jun 2018 #13
Those subtle race-hate-bait dog whistle words don't go so unheard any more. Snellius Jun 2018 #14
It is crystal clear what he meant. Chrystal clear. TTheStruggleisReal Jun 2018 #15
How could anyone NOT be aware of the connection between cotton and slavery? Judi Lynn Jun 2018 #18
+1000 and thank you for taking the time to compile all that information. Kind of Blue Jun 2018 #34
David Bossie. sandensea Jun 2018 #21
Oh, yes, he is, beyond all doubt. Pure evil. Judi Lynn Jun 2018 #22
From Msnbc Gothmog Jun 2018 #29

calimary

(81,332 posts)
20. Nor should it be. He owes all of us a WAY bigger apology than that.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:25 PM
Jun 2018

David Bossie is Mr. Citizens United. The font of all evil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bossie

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
3. Going from dog whistles to full throated barks.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 05:49 PM
Jun 2018

He spewed the equivalent to a racial slur on live television. No apology can make up for that.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
4. Bossie appears to be from Boston, where I doubt "cotton-picking" is a common phrase
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jun 2018

Sounds like he was thinking "...Don't say the N-word. Don't say the N-word...", so this came out instead.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
36. Born and raised in Roxbury, a part of Boston, back in the 40s.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:00 AM
Jun 2018

My neighborhood was half Jewish and half Black. I remember the term from back then, but I don't remember it being racist since both used the term. I do not know in what context it was used.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
5. For the first time since Trump was elected...
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jun 2018

...I honestly think this could have been inadvertent...."Are you out of your cotton picking mind?" may have at one time been denigration or coded language. I've seen a lot of shit directed at race but I honestly believe most people picked up the phrase from Bugs Bunny who popularized it in the 50's and early 60's. Google the term and Bugs Bunny takes the rap...

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
16. I've never even heard a Southerner say that. And that guy was from Massachusetts.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:17 PM
Jun 2018

Side note, at first glance, I thought the headline said "Trump apologized for..." and I did a shocked double-take. Of COURSE that's not what it said, Trump is too much of a thin-skinned snowflake to ever admit he did anything wrong. And when someone calls him on something he CLEARLY fucked up, he doubles down and gaslights the messenger. "NO PUPPET! NO PUPPET! YOU'RE THE PUPPET."

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
10. Ya'll jist wait a gol-dawn-cottin-pickin-minit
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:05 PM
Jun 2018

Was one I heard often in my Alabama childhood. Always assumed that in that context, it had to do with the fact that picking cotton is brutal and unpleasant. The "longest" minute would be one that was spent picking cotton (Did that once on a field trip when I was young and yes - it's horrible).

appalachiablue

(41,149 posts)
26. GOP turd meant it as a racist insult to the black panelist, no question.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:05 PM
Jun 2018

'Ya'll jist wait a gol-dawn-cottin-pickin-minit'-- that's so funny the way you wrote it (spoke)!

Growing up I never heard that expression except maybe in some old movies by actors like Walter Brennan or something.

As a boy Johnny Cash and his family picked and bagged cotton in Arkansas.

My MIL and husband picked it in southern Va. in the 1950s.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
30. Same here. Raised in south Louisiana. It's an old expression not intended to be racial.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:00 PM
Jun 2018

The farmers in the area were poor whites. I've heard the expression occasionally growing up...and in movies & cartoons. There were lots of poor white farmers, like in the movie "Pieces of the Heart" with Sally Fields.

It's a substitute for cursing "God-damned." You're out of your "God-damned mind" becomes "you're out of your cotton pickin' mind."

But it's old fashioned and not used much, anymore. And you don't use in the way this man used it, with a black person...because of the history there and the connotation.

It never crossed my mind growing up that that expression had anything to do with race. No one intended it to, that I could tell.

But it's old fashioned. Like saying, "Wow...that's the cat's meow!"

teenagebambam

(1,592 posts)
27. Gay. Grew up in the North.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 08:15 PM
Jun 2018

And I'd be a millionaire if I had a nickel for every time I've used that phrase. Might be my age (early 50's) but yeah I'd be willing to blame this on Bugs Bunny. Seems like something my Northern Ohio elders said a lot.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. Yeah, it's an old expression. It's in some books, movies, cartoons.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jun 2018

I grew up in the south, so heard it. It wasn't racial in intention, that I could tell. But it's an OLD expression. No one says it, anymore, except for the old fogies.

It's in lieu of cussing...."God-damned." "Wait a Cotton pickin' minute, will ya?"

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
37. I'm inclined to say it, now and again.
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:51 AM
Jun 2018

I'm in my 60s and it was one of the many old-fashioned phrases that still roam around in my mind.

I agree it's was not meant to be racial, but I can see how it could be construed as that when it comes from the lips of a racist person as part of an insult to a black person.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
33. It may have been inadvertent but Payne's reaction belies your assumption
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:26 PM
Jun 2018

that the phrase is relegated to the past. History is still alive and it's why Bossier apologized quickly. People may have innocently picked it up from Bugs Bunny but that does not make the phrase less charged coming from a spokesperson of an unapologetically racist administration.

I think that I'm about 10 years older than Jay-Z, see his video from last year, The Story of O, and you cannot miss all of the references to picking cotton. My point is that he as a young black boy watched a myriad of racism in cartooning in the '80s as I as a black girl in the '70s. So it's disappointing the phrase is so invisible to you to the point where you write it "may have been" when it definitely was and still is.

Just this past April, using the phrase got a sports announcer suspended. And I remember back in 2010, a CNN host had to apologize for saying the same thing of Pres. Obama.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/04/12/thunder-condemns-announcers-cotton-picking-comment-about-russell-westbrook/?utm_term=.501cd41e1b14

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/rick-sanchez-calls-obama-_n_699616.html


RobinA

(9,894 posts)
35. I've Never Used
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 10:51 PM
Jun 2018

the phrase, but I had no idea it was considered racial. I’m from PA. You don’t hear it much these days, it’s been pretty much supplanted by “f*cking.” As in, He’s out of his f*cking mind.

appalachiablue

(41,149 posts)
6. Cold, bold, racist, bigoted. Bossie 'cotton picking,' Lewandowski 'womp, womp'
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 05:52 PM
Jun 2018

mocking a 10-year old girl with Down Syndrome torn from her mother at the US/Mexico border. Shameful.

RVN VET71

(2,692 posts)
7. I just watched the video segment
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 05:56 PM
Jun 2018

Payne's over-reacted. Bossie wasn't slurring anyone. He was using an expression that my father used on us when we asked for money and permission to do something he didn't like, as in "You're out of your cotton pickin' mind if you think I'm gonna let you use my car to take your dumbass friends out on a goddam beer run." "Cotton pickin'" was supposed to replace "goddam", but my father never missed a justifiable chance to cuss.

Now if Bossie had addressed Payne -- or any black man or woman -- as a "cotton picker", he'd be outing himself as a racist fool, no question about it. But he didn't. He blurted out a familiar expression. Payne took umbrage because, well, maybe Bossie deserves umbrage. But, IMHO, it was a misdirected and overly dramatic reaction.

Am I missing something here?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
12. Heard it my whole life. Had it tossed at me my whole life too.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:07 PM
Jun 2018

just like you said, it replaced a curse out in public!

Judi Lynn

(160,554 posts)
19. So many intelligent people were able to live their entire lives without saying it, ever.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:21 PM
Jun 2018

It didn't suit their manner of behavior, their personalities, their characters.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
23. Sure. A lot of people also go their entire lives without cursing too.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:35 PM
Jun 2018

growing up I never heard it used by anyone for anything other than emphasis; as the previous poster said "to replace the use of GD" Black & white folks used it regularly.
But I doubt anyone in New York ever did. I never heard of "busting your balls" till I was grown because thats a Northern expression.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
17. Back in the day when Eney Meney Miney Moe
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jun 2018

included a person of color?

We all got over it...ceptin certain racists....

Just cause you daddy did it don't make it right!

Igel

(35,320 posts)
24. And just because you daddy did it don't make it wrong.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:23 PM
Jun 2018
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cotton-picking.html is about as fair a recounting as I can find.

It's like what happened with "picnic" in the '90s: It accreted a historical derogatory sense it never had. Now, for some, it has a negative connotation, but apparently only among certain perceivers.

Abductive logic isn't really logic.

RVN VET71

(2,692 posts)
39. The "catch a bleep by the toes" was wrong I don't care who said it or when
Thu Jun 28, 2018, 07:45 AM
Jun 2018

But "out of your cotton picking' mind" was never intended in any way, shape, or use, to refer to black people. Never.

Trumpdumper

(171 posts)
9. Inadvertent
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:02 PM
Jun 2018

My white California father used the phrase too, all the time, and I'm sure he had no idea of its racial significance. I'm nearly 60, fairly well educated, and only learned of the phrase's bad undertones a few years ago.

Momgonepostal

(2,872 posts)
25. This is my exact experience
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 07:50 PM
Jun 2018

Bothh my white, California raised parents used this phrase with us, as in “get your cotton-pickin’ hands out of the cookie jar, it’s almost time for dinner.” It never occurred to me until much later that there was a racial angle to the phrase. If my parents were alive today, they’d be in their 80’s and 90’s, so would likely get more of a pass than this guy will get. He’s young enough to know better, and then to say it to a black man is doubly stupid.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
38. But this was a calculated dog whistle for FOX ears
Mon Jun 25, 2018, 10:01 AM
Jun 2018

If you watch this encounter closely you can tell that Bossie had been scripted to use this phrase. He gradually starts to say it three times, each time getting closer and closer, not spelling it out explicitly, waiting for the right moment, when the debate gets heated enough that he thinks he can slip it in without being noticed. Note too how nervous he is before and how he keeps clearing his throat. This was a calculated rhetorical sneak attack.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
11. My grandparents were itinerant cotton pickers
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:05 PM
Jun 2018

In fact, it is how they met. I am white. I can understand how the term can be used and not be a slur. Sometimes who says it must be taken into consideration. It probably did have racial overtones, but may be unwise to chastise Bossie over because he can claim it did not. I am from North Texas and have heard the expression many times in my life, but have never taken it to be racial. Cotton picking was good work for many Americans. I do not mean to discount the slavery angle, but slaves were forced to do many things and cotton picking was a job many whites also did.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
13. If he wasn't a lunatic (dolt45 supporter) I would give him a pass.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:08 PM
Jun 2018

It's been a common expression and part of language all my life and I never thought of it being racist. I knew a lot of white folks who picked cotton, too. Carl Perkins comes to mind.

Snellius

(6,881 posts)
14. Those subtle race-hate-bait dog whistle words don't go so unheard any more.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jun 2018

Bossie knew exactly what he was saying. He's been spewing that shit more years.

Will be interesting to see what FOX does. Believe it or not there's been a definite change in their tone in the last couple of days. Not so much in their commentary but in the stories they cover and in the reactions in the comments. Some kind of internal crisis may be going on.

Judi Lynn

(160,554 posts)
18. How could anyone NOT be aware of the connection between cotton and slavery?
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:18 PM
Jun 2018
Why Was Cotton ‘King’?
by Henry Louis Gates, Jr. | Originally posted on The Root
Its beautiful bolls,
And bales of rich value, the Master controls.
Of “mud-stills” he prates, and would haughtily bring
The world to acknowledge that “Cotton is King.”

–The Gospel of Slavery, by “Iron Gray,” [Abel C. Thomas] 1864.

The most commonly used phrase describing the growth of the American economy in the 1830s and 1840s was “Cotton Is King.” We think of this slogan today as describing the plantation economy of the slavery states in the Deep South, which led to the creation of “the second Middle Passage.” But it is important to understand that this was not simply a Southern phenomenon. Cotton was one of the world’s first luxury commodities, after sugar and tobacco, and was also the commodity whose production most dramatically turned millions of black human beings in the United States themselves into commodities. Cotton became the first mass consumer commodity.

Understanding both how extraordinarily profitable cotton was and how interconnected and overlapping were the economies of the cotton plantation, the Northern banking industry, New England textile factories and a huge proportion of the economy of Great Britain helps us to understand why it was something of a miracle that slavery was finally abolished in this country at all.

Let me try to break this down quickly, since it is so fascinating:

Let’s start with the value of the slave population. Steven Deyle shows that in 1860, the value of the slaves was “roughly three times greater than the total amount invested in banks,” and it was “equal to about seven times the total value of all currency in circulation in the country, three times the value of the entire livestock population, twelve times the value of the entire U.S. cotton crop and forty-eight times the total expenditure of the federal government that year.” As mentioned here in a previous column, the invention of the cotton gin greatly increased the productivity of cotton harvesting by slaves. This resulted in dramatically higher profits for planters, which in turn led to a seemingly insatiable increase in the demand for more slaves, in a savage, brutal and vicious cycle.

Now, the value of cotton: Slave-produced cotton “brought commercial ascendancy to New York City, was the driving force for territorial expansion in the Old Southwest and fostered trade between Europe and the United States,” according to Gene Dattel. In fact, cotton productivity, no doubt due to the sharecropping system that replaced slavery, remained central to the American economy for a very long time: “Cotton was the leading American export from 1803 to 1937.”


More:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/why-was-cotton-king/

Slaves toiling over the white owners' cotton was even memorialized on the confederate money:







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They even loved to take photographs of "their" slaves picking cotton in the fields for every day of their lives after being enslaved:







As you can see they forced children to pick "their" cotton, too. Was it a "rite of passage" when a child got so tall,
he or she was given his or her own shoulder bag, so he/she could join the parents in the field, picking cotton? Jesus.

This is NOTHING I would want to celebrate, don't know about you.....

I hope the slavers will NEVER be forgiven, using the lives of human beings to support themselves in a lavish life-style,
wearing the clothes their prisoners made possible by struggling, suffering their entire lives for NOTHING, living in fear
the "owners" might get angry at them if they made a mistake, and lash them with whips, or worse, then even kill them,
after sending out the militia to capture them, if they dared to try to escape, to make an example of them to the others.

sandensea

(21,639 posts)
21. David Bossie.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:26 PM
Jun 2018

Possibly the most evil individual in America today, with the possible exception of Cheney.

In a way I'm glad he blurted that out, as it shows his true colors.

Judi Lynn

(160,554 posts)
22. Oh, yes, he is, beyond all doubt. Pure evil.
Sun Jun 24, 2018, 06:33 PM
Jun 2018

Here's a supporting article, which only barely scratches the surface:

Meet David Bossie, Donald Trump’s New Master of Dirty Tricks
President George H.W. Bush once accused him of “the kind of sleaze that diminishes the political process”

Itay Hod | September 7, 2016 @ 9:46 AM
Last Updated: September 7, 2016 @ 10:44 AM

Bossie did not respond to our requests for comment. But here are seven things to know about Trump’s latest hire:

1. He operated a phone sex line. No, really.
Washington Post columnist Ruth Marcus reports that in 1992, Bossie “worked on an anti-Clinton effort that included a phone line in which callers could pay $4.99 to hear supposed sex tapes between Bill Clinton and Gennifer Flowers.” According to a 1999 article by PoliticalResearch.org, a non-profit research group, the incident was so “distasteful” the Bush/Quayle campaign was forced to condemn it. The president called it “the kind of sleaze that diminishes the political process” right before filing a Federal Election Commission complaint.

2. He once harassed the mother of a woman who committed suicide.
A 1992 CBS News investigative piece called “Dirty Tricks” said Bossie harassed of friends and family of a woman by the name of Susan Coleman. Coleman had committed suicide 15 years earlier while seven months pregnant. Bossie was investigating whether Coleman shot herself after having an affair with her law professor, Bill Clinton, and getting pregnant.


“The family and friends of Susan Coleman have been forced to relive this tragedy as political agents threaten to drag her name through the mud,” the CBS piece said, calling it an “unusually brazen dirty tricks operation run by an independent committee that supports George Bush for president.”

CBS said Bossie and another investigator followed Coleman’s mother to an Army hospital where her husband was being treated for a stroke. “Here the two men burst into the sick man’s room, and began questioning the shaken mother about her daughter’s suicide,” the CBS report went on to say.

More:
https://www.thewrap.com/meet-david-bossie-donald-trumps-new-master-of-dirty-tricks/

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