DHS Secretary Says There's No Family Separation Policy 'Period'

[PSPS]

Source: HP

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen defended her agency’s role at the U.S. border with Mexico on Sunday, saying there was no family separation policy.

Read more: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kirstjen-nielsen-family-separation_us_5b271b20e4b0f9178a9e544d

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Another day, more lies.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

1. So, if there's no such policy,

I guess families aren't really being separated and all those photos are faked or made with crisis actors?

[progree]

9. The Trump administration said on Friday that it had separated 1,995 children from parents - NYT

Separated at the Border From Their Parents: In Six Weeks, 1,995 Children, New York Times, 6/15/18
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/politics/trump-immigration-separation-border.html

The Trump administration said on Friday that it had separated 1,995 children from parents facing criminal prosecution for unlawfully crossing the border over a six-week period that ended last month, as President Trump sought to shift blame for the widely criticized practice that has become the signature policy of his aggressive immigration agenda.

From April 19 to May 31, the children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security, who spoke during a conference call with reporters that had been described as an effort to correct the record about immigrant families being split up at the border.

This from the "failing New York Times"

Trump: "“The Democrats are forcing the breakup of families at the Border with their horrible and cruel legislative agenda.”

So he's admitting there is forceful breaking up of families. (Of course the NYT goes on to debunk the "Democrats" part of it).

Another excerpt:

Even as they defended the tactics, administration officials argued on Friday that they would prefer not to have to use them, and called on Congress to support legislation to change immigration laws so they would no longer be necessary.

Hmm

[Igel]

20. You have to read carefully.

Most aren't because they already know their conclusions. If you don't read carefully, it's an all-or-nothing/I'm-good-you're-evil sort of moralistic battled waged with religious fervor.

They don't separate them at the border.

Once apprehended, they're given the choice of being returned to their countries of origin or filing for asylum.

If they file for asylum, they're detained. When they're detained, they're given notice that if their cases aren't heard in so many days--something that's very unlikely--of what will happen.

By court order, there's a maximum length of time the minors can be housed with their parents in standard cells. If there are family units, then they are housing together. If not, the kids are dealt with to comply with the court's verdict from years ago. *That's* the "policy" that's causing the separation. Compliance with the court order.

The root cause is insisting on enforcing the laws instead of releasing with a hearing date. What we don't like is having the law enforced when we don't like how it plays out; at other times, we insist on law enforcement, when we like the punishment meted out.

[progree]

21. Read what carefully? Where are you getting this from?

"If they file for asylum, they're detained. When they're detained, they're given notice that if their cases aren't heard in so many days--something that's very unlikely--of what will happen. "

Uhh huh? They tell them they are going to be separated from their children indefinitely, by hundreds or thousands of miles?

From New York Times article:

The official also denied that department personnel were using false pretenses to take away children, such as saying that they were going to bathe. But lawyers and members of Congress who have spoken with migrants separated from their children in recent days have reported hearing otherwise.

Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington, who recently visited 174 women apprehended at the border and being held in a federal prison facility in SeaTac, said some of them reported having been told that they needed to briefly leave their children to be photographed or see a judge, only to return and find the children had been taken away.

I think I'll take what I'm reading from the failing NYT and other reputable sources (I've been listening for more than an hour of this on NPR today), about what's happening, then the multitude of constantly changing admin explanations and rationalizations.

[workinclasszero]

12. Yep deep state actors bused in from California no doubt

And what will the MSM do about this monstrous LIE!?

Nothing would be my guess, just another lie from Trump and his child kidnapping administration...yawn.

[lagomorph777]

2. So she's going to stop doing it?

[turbinetree]

3. Hey Kirstjen Nielsen, are you sure, common are you sure.....................

if you were to show up unannounced and had a reporter with you................................what do you think you would find................Jeff Sessions leading a fucking prayer.....................your as fucked up has he is, right along with that asshole adviser Stephen Miller and your boss a fucking sexual predator..................we are coming lady and we we will take names, so be prepared to sit in front of hearing desk and spew your bull shit....................because you will fucking lie...............so are you sure....................in April your fucking AG made this policy...........................


November 2018 cannot get here fast enough.............141 days to go, and take back our country.................


https://planetcalc.com/274/

[Maeve]

4. No there is just an "arrest everyone and put them in detention" policy that is a defacto

family seperation policy! See...it's all in the wording!

[vlyons]

5. Another Fascist lie

These Fascist lies are getting so brazen. They actually believe that we're going to believe their shit?

[Cosmocat]

7. All about the mouth breathing base and media

keep their 1/3 in suspended animation, default the media into their dutiful role of parroting their lies, then bully their way forward ...

[rainin]

6. If the process of reuniting ever begins, some children will disappear.

There is no way this ends well for every family. How do we recover from this as a country?

[MrScorpio]

8. So they're separating families without a policy

That doesn’t sound good at all

[KY_EnviroGuy]

13. They're also doing it without proper facilities and trained personnel in place.

Would we put police on the street without proper training, uniforms, cars and a gun?
Would we prosecute crimes using any Joe off the street to argue the cases?
Would we try crimes without a court room and reasonably qualified judges and clerks in place?

But, most importantly, no municipality or state would detain prisoners without properly secure facilities, trained jailers, and provisions for feeding and caring for the health of detainees - especially juvenile prisoners.

This policy of separation is wrong as wrong can be. Even if it is legal, It should have not been started without proper facilities to house the parents and kids together.

These actions are typical self-centered, reactionary Trump. Shoot from the hip and don't look at the target - then run like hell.

[Mc Mike]

10. Look, there's NO policy. And St. Paul TOLD them to enact this policy. And they're trying to

do everything they can to END this evil Dem policy.

And also, there's NO policy.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

11. "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears."

MaybeCooperativeHat Retweeted:

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

George Orwell, "1984"

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.

[peekaloo]

14. There are none so blind as those who will Nazi.

sad.

[mwooldri]

15. Strictly speaking, Nielsen is half correct.

Dept. Of Homeland Security doesn't have such a policy.

However Sessions Dept of Justice policy means that border patrol have to follow this new zero tolerance policy.

Nielsen could have stood up to Sessions and Trump by refusing to carry out the policy. But she is complicit in this by allowing it to continue. And therefore DHS now has a defacto separation policy. Period.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

16. In related news, the Trump administration denies gravity exists, period.

What is it about these guys and the word "period"?

Link to tweet

(Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to copy only the second tweet.)

Used this way, it means "end of discussion," and is the equivalence of Dotard's arms crossed the chest body language.

[maxsolomon]

17. Lie on both sides of the issue. Sow confusion. Waste time.

Continue the cruelty, blame those who object for the situation.

It's a technique & we better learn how to deal with it. The WH Press Corp sure hasn't.

[flibbitygiblets]

18. Why don't soulless shills like her commit suicide instead of good people?

If there was a God, this horrible excuse for a human being would be hit with a lightning bolt.

[meadowlander]

19. So why did Sessions call it a deterrant and Trump blame it on the Democrats if it doesn't exist?