WikiLeaks: Met police embarrassed as Assange plan revealed
Source: Daily Telegraph
A policeman has accidentally revealed a secret plan to seize Julian Assange under all circumstances if he steps outside the Ecuadorian embassy, in an embarrassment for Scotland Yard.
The uniformed Met officer was pictured holding a clipboard detailing possible ways the WikiLeaks founder could try to escape from the building he has been holed up in for the past two months.
His target, who is trying to avoid extradition to Sweden for questioning over alleged rape and sexual assault, is currently safe on diplomatic territory. He has been given political asylum by the Latin American country, on the grounds that he faces persecution in the USA over his whistle-blowing website, but faces arrest the second he steps outside because he has breached his bail conditions.
The policemans handwritten tactical brief, captured by a Press Association photographer as he stood outside the Knightsbridge embassy on Friday afternoon, discloses the summary of current position re Assange.
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/9498115/WikiLeaks-Met-police-embarrassed-as-Assange-plan-revealed.html
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)pnwmom
(109,000 posts)I don't get why this is embarrassing, except for the fact it was leaked.
Harmony Blue
(3,978 posts)and shows that the West is clumsy and is using everything in their power to exert their authority.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)said they were going to do this. Did people not believe them?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)government to arrest Assange and extradite him to Sweden for, let us remember, "an interview."
This much zeal and focus on arresting someone for extradition who has supposedly not yet been charged on a claim of rape on the morning after an admittedly consensual one-night stand.
This is just way, way too strange. The whole matter is very strange.
I remain unconvinced that all this money and effort is being put into the arrest of Assange simply because of the accusation against him in Sweden. It makes no sense.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Sweden has an arrest warrant out for Assange.
I don't understand why people keep saying they want to interview him.
They want to arrest him.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It seems odd that Sweden would try obtain extradition of Assange without having issued a warrant, but I can't imagine that under Swedish law they could issue a warrant just based on her say-so without further evidence.
What possible evidence could they have that the woman did not consent? They do allow hearsay evidence and may allow character evidence.
I just think the charges are probably a waste of time unless they are the expression of a political persecution or vendetta. It's not that I favor rapists. Far, far from it.
But the claim is sex lacking consent on the morning after admittedly consensual sex and spending the night in the same bed. It's just hard to believe that lack of consent could be proved. Buyer's remorse is too believable an explanation for the alleged victim's statement. And there is some evidence supporting that there was buyer's remorse and perhaps a desire for revenge as I understand it.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)One of the confusing parts of this for Americans (who have been complaining that he hasn't been charged yet) is that their system is different than ours. In Sweden, they have to arrest someone before they can interview and charge them. And they obviously can't arrest him on foreign soil.
And the arrest and the charges come much later into the investigation than they do here. So the investigation is closer to the end than to the beginning. Just because they haven't been releasing evidence against him doesn't mean they don't have any.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Sperm? That does not mean that the sex was without consent.
Remember that the prosecution bears the burden of proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt. If there is a plausible theory that supports the conclusion that Assange either had consent or did not do what he is accused of doing, then Assange will be found not guilty -- provided the trial is fair.
The likelihood of a conviction is for that reason very small.
It is hard for people to understand that what you get in the court is not the truth but simply what can be proved to be true.
These matters are also confusing because the standard of proof is not so high in civil cases -- usually just over 50% although it can be higher in certain matters.
But in criminal cases, the defendant is supposed to get the benefit of the doubt. I think the amount of money and attention being paid to these claims is unusual.
There was a post about the timeline in this matter. Assange did not rush out of Sweden to avoid these charges. Sweden at first decided not to bring them and then changed its mind.
There are too many factors suggesting that this case may be political persecution and not really about rape.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)Other women he's treated the same way? Men he might have talked to afterwards? I remember hearing that one man who was friends with him and with one of the women talked to him afterwards, trying to get him to do the HIV test. Maybe he would have some relevant testimony.
I understand that date rape is hard to prove, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't ever be prosecuted. Especially in a case where there are two women alleging similar behavior.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That a man had consensual sex with another woman without using a condom is not evidence that he raped a second woman. In fact, here, it most likely in my view would be considered irrelevant and excluded from evidence. Might be different in Sweden, but I doubt it. Sweden has a reputation for being very liberal about sex. That kind of evidence might not need to be excluded.
Witnesses would just be stating their opinions about what might have happened -- unless one of them was in the room and watching. And that is very, very unlikely.
It is different if there is actual evidence that a man is a serial rapist.
That is not the allegation here.
This charge is very weak from what I can tell from the text of the charge itself.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)who try cases in the media, the prosecutor there is not going public. I think we should wait and see what her case is before deciding how strong or weak it is.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Their are going to put him indefinite detention for being a national security threat.
randome
(34,845 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 24, 2012, 03:45 PM - Edit history (1)
On edit: if your post was sarcasm, I apologize for not seeing it earlier.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)I remember a time on DU when the sarcasm tag wasn't need(like 10 years ago). The RW trolls and authoritarian quislings really did a number on this site.
~ ahh the good ole days. I think the Kerry defeat really took the wind out of the mod's sails. Never really recovered.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)- Any man will do!
K&R
We're not quite that out of touch here.
You've reminded of when I had a 1929 Ford Model A and found out that the original high compression heads were call police heads - gave them a bit more oomph.
struggle4progress
(118,378 posts)By Juha Saarinen
Email Author
06.20.12 12:17 PM
The Metropolitan Police in London, United Kingdom, say that WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is in breach of his bail conditions by staying overnight at the Ecuadorian embassy, where he sought political asylum on Tuesday. If Assange leaves the premises, he can be arrested, the police added.
As part of his bail conditions, granted by the High Court in December 2010, Assange is required to remain at his bail address between 10 p.m. and 8 a.m. each night ...
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/06/assange-breached-bail/
Smilo
(1,944 posts)Cameron needs to get a clue, let Assange go and just forget it.
randome
(34,845 posts)...that has been through the appeals process and ruled legal.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The British government should have enough respect for Ecuador to honor the grant of asylum.
Syrian Pilot Granted Asylum in Jordan
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/world/middleeast/syrian-warplane-is-reported-missing.html?_r=1
Gay Chinese man charging persecution granted U.S. asylum
http://articles.cnn.com/1999-09-29/us/9909_29_gay.chinese.asylum_1_asylum-gay-men-chinese-foreign-ministry?_s=PM:US
I won't bore you with the code, but we too grant asylum although our government does not always call it that. Here is our government's policy on asylum.
Asylum
Asylum status is a form of protection available to people who:
Meet the definition of refugee
Are already in the United States
Are seeking admission at a port of entry
You may apply for asylum in the United States regardless of your country of origin or your current immigration status. For more information about asylum status, see the Asylum section.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextchannel=1f1c3e4d77d73210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextoid=1f1c3e4d77d73210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD
The United States honors the right of asylum of individuals as specified by international and federal law. A specified number of legally defined refugees, who apply for asylum either overseas or after arriving in the U.S., are admitted annually. Refugees compose about one-tenth of the total annual immigration to the United States, though some large refugee populations are very prominent. Since World War II, more refugees have found homes in the U.S. than any other nation and more than two million refugees have arrived in the U.S. since 1980. In the years 2005 through 2007, the number of asylum seekers accepted into the U.S. was about 40,000 per year. This compared with about 30,000 per year in the UK and 25,000 in Canada, countries with much smaller populations. The U.S. accounted for 15% to 20% of all asylum-seeker acceptances in the OECD countries in recent years.[1]
Asylum eligibility has three basic requirements. First, an asylum applicant must establish that he or she fears persecution.[2] Second, the applicant must prove that he or she would be persecuted on account of one of five protected grounds: race, religion, nationality, political opinion, and social group. Third, an applicant must establish that the government is either involved in the persecution, or unable to control the conduct of private actors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_the_United_States
And, of course I have mentioned the famous case of Cardinal Mindszenty in Hungary -- granted asylum in our US Embassy in Budapest where he lived for 15 years -- I repeat 15 years.
We recently granted entry into the US to a Chinese asylum-seeker. We refuse to call it asylum although our law permits granting asylum in the US. Here is Wikileaks' article on this:
Chen Guangcheng (born 12 November 1971) is a Chinese civil rights activist who worked on human rights issues in rural areas of the People's Republic of China. Blind from an early age and self-taught in the law, Chen is frequently described as a "barefoot lawyer" who advocates women's rights and the welfare of the poor. He is best known for exposing alleged abuses in official family-planning policy, often involving claims of violence and forced abortions.
In 2005, he became internationally known for organising a class-action lawsuit against the city of Linyi in Shandong for what was claimed to be excessive enforcement of the one-child policy. As a result of this lawsuit, Chen was placed under house arrest from September 2005 to March 2006, with a formal arrest in June 2006. During his trial, Chen's attorneys were forbidden access to the court, leaving him without a proper defender. On 24 August 2006, Chen was sentenced to four years and three months for "damaging property and organising a mob to disturb traffic".
. . . .
Chen's case received sustained international attention, with the U.S. State Department, the British Foreign Secretary, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International issuing appeals for his release; the latter group designated him a prisoner of conscience. Chen is a 2007 laureate of the Ramon Magsaysay Award and in 2006 was named to the Time 100.
In April 2012, Chen escaped his house arrest and fled to the U.S. Embassy in Beijing. After negotiations with the Chinese government, he left the embassy for medical treatment on early May 2012, and it was reported that China would consider allowing him to travel to the United States to study. On 19 May 2012, Chen, his wife, and his two children were granted U.S. visas and departed Beijing for New York City.
Our stance on Assange is quite dissonant with our law and our historic recognition of asylum for prisoners of conscience and the persecuted. This is another reason why some of us strongly suspect that Sweden's desire to "interview" Assange is a pretext for carrying out some sort of deal with the US.
Siding with the Brits in their escalating feud with Ecuador about the status of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, the State Department declared today that the United States does not believe in the concept of diplomatic asylum' as a matter of international law.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/08/17/state_department_the_us_does_not_recognize_the_concept_of_diplomatic_asylum
The US wants "free trade" to the detriment of American workers but doesn't want "free information" about what the US does in its foreign policy. Yet another dissonance.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)They're free to arrest him if he leaves the Embassy.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)As I have pointed out in so many posts, Cardinal Mindszenty spent 15 years in the US embassy in Budapest. Assange could spend a long time in the embassy of Ecuador.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Wiki has this to say:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomatic_law#Diplomatic_asylum
Ecuador can grant political asylum in Ecuador to asylum seekers. Doing it in another country is an accepted practice in the world.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Both the US and Sweden are countries that award asylum to political refugees.
Britain is being overly tough on this and should respect Ecuador's wish to grant asylum to Assange. Why not? Britain has nothing to lose by do that.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Assange is Australian - asylum applies to someone who cannot go back to his home country for fear of persecution. Australia is not persecuting Assange.. You also cannot use asylum to protect people from prosecution for criminal acts.
If Britain lets Assange go, they have just violated international law regarding extradition. International law says that Assange has to go back to Sweden to face the charges against him.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)but evidently they're spending a fortune on astroturfers and propagandists.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)although officially they don't want to prosecute at this time, although they are cooperating with the US investigation.
qwertyMike
(2,901 posts)could award him citizenship then appoint him to some diplomatic post in the Embassy.
Then he could hop on a plane for his new home.
Activist Tariq Ali came up with this.
Kinda neat.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)So that wouldn't work. But Assange could have a microchip implanted and then become a diplomatic message that couldn't be interfered with.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...since that's what they were told to do. But what does continue to surprise and appall me is the lengths to which the U.K. and Swedish governments have gone to get a man into custody "for questioning" about what can only be described as flimsy allegations, when he has three times made himself available for questioning and the Swedish prosecutors refused to question him.
Flimsy allegations: The first Swedish prosecutor thought the allegations were so flimsy, the case was dropped and Assange was told that he could leave Sweden. It's quite possible, I realize now, that this was a ruse they played on Assange--who had remained in Sweden to be questioned and then told that he could go. This was the ONLY way to get a willing witness into custody--by letting him go, then refusing to question him in London, then issuing an extradition warrant. (Most recent offer was from Assange and the Ecuadoran ambassador, who said that the Swedish prosecutors could enter the embassy and without impediments question Assange on the allegations. Note: NO charges have been filed against him!)
Presumably, Assange and his lawyers figured this out and that's why he sought asylum. They were after his ass NOT "for questioning" but to get him into custody. Why?
Just about everybody in the world knows why. To "render" him to the U.S., to be punished for the crime of journalism. To silence him. To bury him as deep as Bradley Manning.
Also surprising and appalling: the naive (or possibly disinformationist?) comments here, for instance, that somehow this circus is keeping women safe from rape, or that Swedish law is inscrutable to the rest of the western world and we really can't understand how it's all right and proper and lawful to pursue a willing witness in this way with ruses, smears, theft of his defense funds, Interpol, no doubt M-16, the CIA and the entire transnational police state.
Going after a witness who is wanted "for questioning" about allegations that are so thin, a prosecutor dropped the case--a witness who repeatedly agree to be questioned--with international arrest warrants and all this folderol and expense, is bizarre, is what it is. It is surprising, appalling and bloody obvious what these governments (including the collusive U.K. and the lurking U.S.) are up to.