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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun May 13, 2018, 09:59 AM May 2018

Bolton: European nations 'will see that it's in their interests' to withdraw from Iran deal

Source: The Hill



BY BRETT SAMUELS - 05/13/18 09:22 AM EDT

National security adviser John Bolton said Sunday he believes European nations will ultimately join the U.S. and leave the Iran nuclear agreement.

“I think the Europeans will see that it’s in their interests to come along with us,” Bolton said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Bolton’s comments come despite pledges from European leaders across the board that they will uphold the agreement, even after President Trump announced last week the U.S. would no longer honor it.

“And they may try to [stay in the deal], in part because I think despite President Trump’s complete consistency in opposition to the deal … many people, including, apparently, former Secretary of State John Kerry, thought that we never would get out of it,” Bolton said.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/387466-bolton-european-nations-will-see-that-its-in-their-interests-to



Bolton downplays past views on regime change

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 05/13/18 09:54 AM EDT

National security adviser John Bolton on Sunday downplayed his past support for regime change as the Trump administration takes a more aggressive approach toward Iran.

Bolton, who is considered a proponent of regime change, was pressed on two Sunday morning shows about whether he is encouraging President Trump to push for a change in Iran as the White House seeks to curb conflict in the region.

“That is not the policy of the administration. The policy of the administration is to make sure Iran never gets close to deliverable nuclear action,” Bolton said on ABC’s “This Week.”

On CNN’s “The Lead,” Bolton distanced himself from his comments as a Fox News contributor and elsewhere in which he advocated for regime change in Iran, Syria and Libya.

“I’ve written and said a lot of things when I was a complete free agent. Those are my opinions, and the circumstance I’m in now is I’m national security adviser to president. I’m not the national security decision-maker,” Bolton said on CNN’s “The Lead.”

When asked whether he’d advocate for military strikes against Iran, Bolton reiterated that he’s just an adviser to the president and would not make the final decision.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/387471-bolton-downplays-past-views-on-regime-change
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Bolton: European nations 'will see that it's in their interests' to withdraw from Iran deal (Original Post) DonViejo May 2018 OP
it chills me to the bone barbtries May 2018 #1
Them's fightin' words. Bring it on. nt lamp_shade May 2018 #2
I was just thinking this. pazzyanne May 2018 #5
With friends like the US, who needs enemies? dem4decades May 2018 #3
If Iran says, "OK, screw it" and decides to start enriching uranium to bomb material levels... Ligyron May 2018 #4
Strong-arming and blackmailing our once and (hopefully) future allies BeyondGeography May 2018 #6
So, in other words, he'll bide his time and thinks he'll eventually get drumpf to agree. lark May 2018 #7
So if you are an adviser you can't advocate? LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #8
He may not be the "decision maker" in this administration. JohnnyRingo May 2018 #9
In a speech last year, Bolton told MEK that... Eyeball_Kid May 2018 #10
Fuck you chickenhawk Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2018 #11
I think Bolton meant to say "it's in HIS interests" not Europe's Texin May 2018 #12
Regime Change! SCVDem May 2018 #13
We are about one and a half steps from Mr.Bill May 2018 #14
Mr. Bolton: Wrong. mwooldri May 2018 #15
All they are saying is Give War A Chance. Marcuse May 2018 #16
Bolton wants war. All his maneuvering leads to that. Sick redstateblues May 2018 #17
If there is anyone that I loathe even BlueMTexpat May 2018 #18
I'm becoming immune to shock.... KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #21
I really do not believe that Iran or any nation with sane leadership wants or would start a nuke war Alethia Merritt May 2018 #19
Well said and welcome to DU! Rhiannon12866 May 2018 #22
Trump works with Xi to restart Chinese telecom giant ZTE, despite alleged Iran sanctions violations muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #20
No, European nations will eventually withdraw from NATO. roamer65 May 2018 #23
I won't try to predict the future, but ... Odoreida May 2018 #24

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
1. it chills me to the bone
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:03 AM
May 2018

that this nut, who believes that the USA should rule the world and that warmongering everywhere is a justifiable way to make it be, is in the position he is in.

we're really going down. hard.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
5. I was just thinking this.
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:11 AM
May 2018

The battle cry of playground bullies since the beginning of time. Guess we have arrived at pre-1780. Sad - and scary.

Ligyron

(7,633 posts)
4. If Iran says, "OK, screw it" and decides to start enriching uranium to bomb material levels...
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:09 AM
May 2018

there's only one way to really stop them and Israel would love for us to take the lead and start the bombing campaign.

If they throw inspectors out there will be no way top confirm one way or another the state of their nuclear program anymore. Bolton and the neo's can claim they are and no one can defiantly say otherwise.

lark

(23,105 posts)
7. So, in other words, he'll bide his time and thinks he'll eventually get drumpf to agree.
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:15 AM
May 2018

He knows drumpf is all situational, no caring about anything other than himself really. All Bolton has to do is find a way for drumpf to profit and he's got his wish.

8. So if you are an adviser you can't advocate?
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:17 AM
May 2018

From the dictionary:

advocate (verb) to speak or write in favor of; support or urge by argument

advise (verb) to give counsel to; offer an opinion or suggestion as worth following

Yeah, there's a lot of difference between advocating and advising. I feel much better now about Bolton being only national security advisor and not national security advocate.

I'm more concerned about the implied threat to countries which honor the Iran deal. "They'll see it's in their interests to come along with us."

BTW, Don Lemon, Shepard Smith and others have pointed out there is no provision for "pulling out" of the agreement. You are either complying with it or violating it. Trump has a long, long history of doing the latter in business and marital agreements.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
9. He may not be the "decision maker" in this administration.
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:25 AM
May 2018

but he's the one who advises the decision makers as to what they should do.

He can downplay that power to project his opinion all he wants, but we saw what happened when PNAC advised Bush that Iraq was an imminent threat.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
10. In a speech last year, Bolton told MEK that...
Sun May 13, 2018, 10:37 AM
May 2018

...they'd be celebrating in Tehran at the end of 2018.

Bolton is pushing for a government overthrow in Iran. And he won't stop.

This is who is the national security advisor to Spanky, who is hellbent on destroying every international alliance the US has cultivated since the end of WWII. And Spanky is too reliant on Putin's direction to understand exactly what the consequences will be.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
12. I think Bolton meant to say "it's in HIS interests" not Europe's
Sun May 13, 2018, 02:35 PM
May 2018

The hard and loud pushback around the work against this cretin's decision to exit the deal has been stronger than he expected. Given tRump's consistent behavior of waffling on decisions, Bolton might feel a wee bit threatened that Cheeto will change his mind and send him packing. Cheeto wants to be praised more than anything besides raking in more dough and this decision is as stupid as it is reckless. Twitler has been saying he wants (expects?) to get the Nobel Peace Prize (basically because he wants to have something bestowed on President Obama, and if he can't rip that away from him himself, he wants the Nobel Committee to give it to him). Maybe (I know it's a stretch to think it) it's dawning on him that one isn't positioned strategically to get that Nobel Prize by dumping a nuclear non-proliferation accord and threatening our allies with tariffs as sanctions for remaining in the deal. Maybe Bolton feels a little nervous about now given the revolving door of political casualties.

Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
14. We are about one and a half steps from
Sun May 13, 2018, 04:26 PM
May 2018

the entire world (except Israel, of course) telling us to go fuck ourselves. And don't think North Korea doesn't know it. We are about to go into negotiations with them having far less clout than we did before Trump.

As Bill Clinton said, we need to lead with the power of our example, not the example of our power.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
15. Mr. Bolton: Wrong.
Sun May 13, 2018, 04:32 PM
May 2018

Merkel, Macron and May, along with Rouhani, Putin and Xi are all on the same hymnsheet. Trump is the one off key here.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
21. I'm becoming immune to shock....
Mon May 14, 2018, 10:38 AM
May 2018

If we next hear Cheney or Wolfowitz is coming in, it won't be much of a surprise after suffering through the existing cabinet.

Sorry for dirtying you eyes with those two names.......

Alethia Merritt

(147 posts)
19. I really do not believe that Iran or any nation with sane leadership wants or would start a nuke war
Mon May 14, 2018, 06:51 AM
May 2018

In history, only the US has ever used nukes on another nation. It was so horrific that no rational leader would want to inflict this kind of atrocity on others. Most countries want nukes for deference against other more powerful nations. Why would Iran want to nuke its own neighborhood?

Nuking or trying to nuke Israel would not make sense and it would be suicidal. I think charging this intention to Iran is a false meme just to give Israel and the US the right in their own minds to do whatever they want in the ME and around the world. We should be about the business of helping other nations build their own economic and social base. Building trade and not tearing it down is the key to helping a people become self-sufficient, internally productive, and generally satisfied to the point that they will see no benefit in being hostile to neighboring nations.

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
22. Well said and welcome to DU!
Tue May 15, 2018, 03:13 AM
May 2018

These are truly scary and unprecedented times! We're glad to have you with us!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
20. Trump works with Xi to restart Chinese telecom giant ZTE, despite alleged Iran sanctions violations
Mon May 14, 2018, 08:02 AM
May 2018
WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump pledged Sunday to help ZTE Corp. “get back into business, fast” after a U.S. ban crippled the Chinese technology company, offering a job-saving concession to Beijing ahead of high-stakes trade talks later this week.

“Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!” Trump wrote on Twitter in the first of two tweets about U.S. trade relations with China. It said he and Chinese President Xi Jinping are working together on a solution for ZTE.
...
ZTE suspended its main operations after the U.S. Commerce Department banned American companies from selling to the firm for seven years — as punishment for ZTE breaking an agreement reached after it was caught illegally shipping U.S. goods to Iran.
...
The U.S. government launched an investigation into ZTE after Reuters reported in 2012 the company had signed contracts to ship hardware and software worth millions of dollars to Iran from some of the best-known U.S. technology companies. ZTE pleaded guilty last year to conspiring to violate U.S. sanctions by illegally shipping U.S. goods and technology to Iran, and entered into an agreement with the U.S. government. The ban was the result of ZTE’s failure to comply with that agreement, the Commerce Department said.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/05/14/business/trump-working-xi-restart-china-telecom-giant-zte-iran-sanctions-violator-sake-jobs/#.Wvl3S_kvzIU

Seems like Trump is going to have to impose sanctions on himself. Maybe he should pay someone to spank him with a copy of Forbes magazine? Or Fortune?

Secondly, Trump’s move to rescue ZTE, a company on the brink of extinction because it unlawfully did business in Iran, comes at a time when the U.S. has just reimposed sanctions on the Islamic Republic, and is threatening European companies that continue to trade there.
...
However, Kevin Wolf, the Obama-era assistant secretary of commerce who launched the case against ZTE, told the Financial Times he was “speechless” at Trump’s tweet.

“I’m highly confident that a president has never intervened in a law-enforcement matter like this before,” Wolf told the paper. “It’s so outside the way the rules were set up.”

D.C. lawyer Douglas Jacobson, who represents ZTE suppliers, echoed this sentiment in an interview with the BBC. “There’s no legal mechanism for this. How this will play out remains to be seen,” he said. “They are not simply going to be able to resume business as usual.”

http://fortune.com/2018/05/14/china-iran-zte-donald-trump/

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
23. No, European nations will eventually withdraw from NATO.
Tue May 15, 2018, 01:27 PM
May 2018

The EU will eventually become a federal republic.

 

Odoreida

(1,549 posts)
24. I won't try to predict the future, but ...
Tue May 15, 2018, 01:29 PM
May 2018

... I will say that there must be definite plans to bomb Iran. And not just a little bit.

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