Breaking on MSNBC (TV) - 5 shot at Empire State Building

[OmahaBlueDog]

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Source: MSNBC

5 shot at Empire State. Unconfirmed report that shooter is dead.

Read more: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/24/13455394-several-people-shot-outside-empire-state-building?lite

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[maddezmom]

1. AP: SEVERAL PEOPLE SHOT OUTSIDE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING

SEVERAL PEOPLE SHOT OUTSIDE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING
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NEW YORK (AP) -- Fire officials say several people have been shot outside the Empire State Building.

A fire department spokesman says it received a call about the shooting just after at 9 a.m. Friday and that emergency units were on the scene within minutes.

The spokesman had no information about how many people were wounded or their conditions.

more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_EMPIRE_STATE_BUILDING_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-24-09-31-10

[leftynyc]

2. Yikes - two blocks from my office

Prayers for the shooting victims.

[onehandle]

3. Rightists will blame New York's 'strict' gun laws.

Bring on the NRAGOPs' talking points!

[Why Syzygy]

27. Have

you ever been to the gun dungeon at DU? You can't throw gun opinions into the right or left lane.
It's something that knows no partisan borders.

edit:
But you make an interesting point. News of shootings in Chicago and New York .. both have the strictest gun laws in the country.
How's that working for ya?

[onehandle]

45. Red state vending machine guns are imported into blue states.

All part of the GOPNRA plan.

It's working fine for fatcat gun lobbyists.

[glacierbay]

49. I'm watching the news right now

and I don't hear anything about machine guns being used.
Did I miss something?

Kudos to the NYPD for a quick response and taking out the shooter before he could do more damage.

[Remmah2]

51. We can't twist the truth without embelishing it now can we?

[glacierbay]

55. Apparently.

I'm still watching the news and I haven't heard anything about a machine gun being used.
That doesn't lessen this tragic crime at all and my condolences to the family of the manager and speedy recovery for those wounded by this maniac.

[christx30]

61. I think what onehandle meant was

guns from vending machines. As in easy to get. Not machine guns. Not attacking any side in this. Just clarification.

[Remmah2]

64. Guns don't come from vending machines either.

Onehandle is a perpetual scream.

[rrneck]

87. I think he's talking about

VENDING machine guns. Apparently he thinks guns are too easy to get.

[slackmaster]

88. So, what type of gun would one use to take out a vending machine?

I'm thinking 50 caliber or more just to be sure.

[rrneck]

91. And a bucket of tannerite (sp?) just for fun. nt

[Why Syzygy]

56. Do you mean

in spite of the strictest gun laws on the books, people smuggle in guns??!!! gasp . .

BIG DUH . Criminals don't follow laws, DO THEY?
IOW Gun restriction laws FAIL.

Meanwhile, knee jerkers can ignore the very real societal ills that precipitate these senseless acts of destruction.

[PavePusher]

65. That explains the camera footage I saw this morning...

of Bloomberg walking into the crime scene... surrounded by men with guns.

I wonder what vending-machine those came from, and what he's afraid of.

What a snivelling coward, eh?

[ellisonz]

94. Mayor Bloomberg is a "snivelling coward" for having police protection?

Is President Obama a "snivelling coward" for having Secret Service protection?

I mean the President does support the AWB: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/barack-obama-assault-weapons-ban.php

[PavePusher]

96. Sigh.

A bit sarcasm-impaired today?

My point was that he (Bloomberg) wants to deny people the ability to provide for themselves what he gets from others.

Make of that what you will.

[ellisonz]

100. And my point was the Bloomberg is the Mayor of New York City...

...and maybe you ought to show a little respect for the challenges of holding public office in this nation with an egregious gun violence problem and a long history of assassinations.

I'm sure the Mayor has received many threats of gun extremists, and that has nothing to do with your misguided belief that you have a right to carry a weapon anywhere you want.

[PavePusher]

103. And many more mere Citizens will face direct criminal threats today....

than Mayor B will all year.

Yet he wants to have armed guards at all times, and render his constituents less capable of defending themselves.

You keep ignoring that part....

[ellisonz]

104. And you keep ignoring the part...

...where the Supreme Court (and the right-wingers at that) has clearly said you do not have a right to carry whatever weapon wherever for any purpose.

Do you want to explain to DU now why you think you have a right to carry a gun in the presence of the President of the United States?

[slackmaster]

70. Ignore the gun psychos, onehandle

[Remmah2]

77. Do you understand why talking points are necessary?

People don't get things and they have to be repeated.

[davidpdx]

4. Another nut with a gun

This is getting ridiculous.

[LiberalEsto]

5. Meanwhile the NYPD is busy spying on college students

and beating up people

[leftynyc]

6. NYC is the safest big city in the country

If you don't think our police have something to do with that, you're dreaming. Every large group has bad apples but don't tag the entire force with shit because of it.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

8. Safety at what cost to freedom? nt

[Enrique]

13. 700,000 stop and frisks

last year. Every one of those contacts carries a risk for something bad happening.

In other words, some people's safety comes at the cost of other people's safety.

[X_Digger]

82. 88% of those stopped were innocent people, 89% were not white.

http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices

If you really want an eye opener, see the VV's series on the Schoolcraft tapes- http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-03-07/news/the-nypd-tapes-confirmed/

[PavePusher]

97. Actually, "some people's "safety" comes at the cost of other peoples.....

violated Constitutional Rights".

There, fixed it for you.

[smirkymonkey]

102. As a recent Manhattan resident, gun violence was EXTREMELY rare insinde the city.

This wasn't a rampage, but a targeted attack on a particular person. It just happened to get out of hand. I still don't believe that this was the typical psycho gun rampage that has been happening in so many other places in this country.

[sabbat hunter]

14. got out of the Herald's square subway

station a minute or so before 9. By the time I reached 7th avenue, cop cars were racing down 34th street. So it sounds like there was an extremely quick response by the NYPD. Kudos to NY's Finest.

[LiberalEsto]

17. Evidently there is heavy security at the Empire State Building

because it is a potential terrorist target. That's what's being reported on the tv news.

[Renew Deal]

19. From what I heard, the cops responded quickly

[LiberalEsto]

22. I'm glad they did

but I've grown increasingly angry with the NY police department because of their vicious assaults on Occupy protesters, spying on college students way outside their jurisdiction, etc.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

31. Well, they're also busy spying on Muslims in New Jersey. nt

[brooklynite]

7. NY 1 reporting it as a possible robbery

Sources say all the injured were wearing uniforms; shooter is reported dead.

[Renew Deal]

20. A midtown armed robbery is a dumb thing to do.

It's swarming with cops.

[snappyturtle]

9. Luke Russert kept repeating this incident isn't terrorism. I guess if we do this

to ourselves it isn't terrorism.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

11. Unless it is a religious nut doing it....

...it isn't terrorism. Someone told me that the other day.
I think terrorism has to involve explosions, too, to technically meet the criteria.

[snappyturtle]

53. Terrorism has criteria....who knew!

[Cha]

99. Exactly. Being terrorized is

Terrorism.

[lapislzi]

32. That's code for "no Muslims were involved."

Randomly shooting people, I think, qualifies as terrorism.

[snappyturtle]

54. "No Muslims involved"...yep! I should know that by now. nt

[goclark]

40. Luke's mouth speaks lies all the time

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I'll wait until a real reporter tells me.

[Zoeisright]

73. Luke Russet is a fucking idiot.

His job is nepotism to the 10th power.

[DiverDave]

10. And if someone had been able to carry

a gun.
BLAH,
BLAH,
BLAH.
In 3,2,1...

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

35. Ahhh, bait on a hook. Should I bite?

... pondering ...

[primavera]

12. And the carnage continues...

It had been a few days since the last shooting, I was beginning to wonder.

[CountAllVotes]

15. Its just another day

and another asswhole out there has taken a damn gun a killed a bunch of INNOCENT PEOPLE.

>>The condition of the victims is unkown at this time. Eight patients are being evaluated, according to fire officials, but it is not known who was shot or injured in other ways.

YEAH RIGHT!!!

Oh wait, do I need to be corrected? Guns don't kill do they!?

FUCK GUNS, ALL OF THE DAMN FUCKED UP PIECES OF SHIT!!!!!

recommend!!!!

[HERVEPA]

16. Well, if the killer had a knife,

I'm sure he could have done just as much damage.

[LiberalEsto]

21. TV reports say 10 people hit with bullets; One, a bystander, was killed.

The weapon was reportedly large and may have been a shotgun, according to tv reports. I know nothing about guns, but people on CNN speculated it could have been loaded with something that scattered birdshot all over the place, hitting numerous people.

[CountAllVotes]

25. Birdshot ...

Gee, wasn't MR. CHENEY famous for birdshot and being drunk if my memory is still intact?

I'll admit it flat fucking out, I HATE GUNS!!

I personally know of SIX PEOPLE, YES SIX, that are dead because of a stupid dangerous thing called a GUN (four murders, one suicide and ONE accident)!

DUMP ALL GUNS NOW!!!

[Pacafishmate]

26. So you've given up on logical thinking and decided to rely on emotion?

[CountAllVotes]

42. Go crawl back into your hole would you?

N/T @!@!

[PavePusher]

66. You should take your own advice.

[AngryOldDem]

29. It's 4:24 am in Honolulu. n/t

[Renew Deal]

30. I was two blocks away from there at around 9:50 and you wouldn't know anything is going on.

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NYC is a big city and every block is its own neighborhood. That's why there's so many restaurants, etc.

[OmahaBlueDog]

23. Per WNBC

WNBC reported that the shooter appeared to be a disgruntled employee of a business in the Empire State Building, which houses 1,000 businesses. More than 21,000 employees working the building each day, making the Empire State Building the second-largest single office complex in the U.S., after the Pentagon.

See link in OP

[heaven05]

24. BET??

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rightwing nut? mean political season creating a lot of random shootings. Anyone venture why? my prior staement stands, but this shooting looks personal.

[slackmaster]

89. Black Entertainment Television drove him to it

[heaven05]

92. like

like Robme's birther joke today, right

[AngryOldDem]

28. Just another day in the good ol' USA... n/t

[Remmah2]

76. A good day in the US beats a bad day:

In China, N.Korea, Rwanda, Da fur, Bosnia, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Egypt, Lybia.........

[AngryOldDem]

86. Your point?

That those places make THIS country more tolerable despite its ever-growing problem of gun violence?

[Remmah2]

90. Worldly people would get it. nt

nt

[Loudly]

34. Guns and ammo in the hands of the public is a terrible idea.

It invites acting out one's anger lethally and enables it with the utmost convenience.

[Renew Deal]

36. Could the same thing be said about guns and ammo in other parties hands?

Besides the public?

[Loudly]

37. That's an argument which doesn't lead anywhere.

You're not going to war with the police or the army.

[Renew Deal]

46. Especially if all you have is sticks

[Remmah2]

50. Only if world history is ignored.

I wonder how many dead non-gun owners would change their minds?

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[slackmaster]

75. That sounds a lot like projection to me

[Renew Deal]

38. UPDATE: Shooter fired from his job yesterday and showed up with a gun today. Manager killed

Hazan Import
350 5th Ave

[HockeyMom]

41. Can see the gunman on ground by doors

of restaurant. Looks that way.

[deutsey]

39. Bloomberg supposed to have a press conference around 11 a.m.

According to ABC News Live Streaming.

[wordpix]

44. Let's hope he says something about getting guns out of the hands of nutcases

instead of the usual blather about praying for the innocent who were killed and their families.

[Renew Deal]

47. He will

He never passes up an opportunity these days.

Shootings in NYC have increased or at least it feels that way.

[AngryOldDem]

57. I noticed how they have a little podium set up for him.

I really don't know how I feel about that guy. I know it's his responsibilty to be on scene and make a statement when these things happen, but at the same time it just feels like a huge photo-op. They say he's not happy with the gun control positions of both Obama and Romney, and he always seems to be the man who has all the answers...why doesn't he want to take more of a national role?

[PavePusher]

67. He could start by divesting himself of his armed guards.....

but he won't.

[JackBeck]

52. Shooter killed by police outside the bar my partner and I frequent after work.

Police and helicopters are everywhere. This is insane!

[Hey Jude]

58. Meanwhile 19 people shot overnight in Chicago, 13 in 30 mins

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and the LSM hasn't gone all wall to wall.

Did they inform the President right away?

Has CNNNBCFOXABCCBS etc. broken into 24/7 hurricane updates yet?

Meanwhile Brian Ross now furiously Googling "jeffrey johnson tea party"

http://lovebscott.com/news/so-sad-19-people-wounded-by-gunshot-overnight-in-chicago-13-within-30-minutes/

[progressivebydesign]

79. Sadly, it's show biz. n/t

[Blue_Tires]

98. To be fair, what happened in NYC was just one person in a very public place

As opposed to a skirmish in the gang turf wars...

[Warren Stupidity]

59. It has been at least a week, so another gun nut gone wild was overdue.

lets not talk about gun control.

[jpak]

60. More Gun Fun!!!111 WEEEEeeeeee!!!!111

Another Second Amendment Solution.



Yup

[Remmah2]

63. NOT a 2A solution if it's the cops are the ones doing the shooting.

Fail Post

[jpak]

71. I wonder where he got his cool gun?

I hope someone posts a picture of the cool gun here.

Yup

[ManiacJoe]

84. As opposed to you doing your own research?

[ileus]

62. Cops wounded 9 ???

As suspect Jeffrey Johnson tried to flee the scene, he pulled a .45 caliber pistol on two approaching police officers, who opened fire on him. Nine people were wounded or grazed by gunfire in the crossfire, Kelly said.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/24/shooting-reported-outside-empire-state-building/?hpt=hp_t1

[PavePusher]

68. I thought it was armed civilians that were the ones supposed to created the deadly "cross-fire".

Whodathunkit.

[Remmah2]

69. In NYC they can only point their fingers.

nt

[Zoeisright]

72. Well, we made it an entire week

without another mass shooting. Woo-hoo.

[glacierbay]

74. The only mass shooting of civilians

was done possibly by the NYPD, notice I said possibly, as enunciated by Commissioner Kelly.

[Riverman]

78. BREAKING NEWS: MSNBC NOT Covering Daily Killings in Southside Chicago and other Cities

Thankfully Michael Dyson made reference to Chicago in MSNBC today! Give him a show!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

80. 9 people shot in the cross fire...

...makes you wonder if it will turn out the guy is riddled with 70 rounds in typical NYPD fashion.

[Remmah2]

81. Good thing the NYPD didn't break out their .50 caliber, urban tanks, and fully auto arsenals.

After all Bloomberg brags that he has access to the world's largest private army.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

83. They reserve that for the riot they expect from the proles.

[glacierbay]

85. Naw

those are for the Occupy protesters.

[PavePusher]

93. Some info on NYPD training and shootings...

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/public_information/RAND_FirearmEvaluation.pdf

And a critique:
http://www.pointshooting.com/1arand.htm

[Spitfire of ATJ]

95. The significant and often overlooked part is the notion that a cop can go through,...

...an entire career without ever even drawing their gun.

Even in New York.

[Xipe Totec]

101. 2 killed, 9 injured, 5 shot?

4 injured by other means?