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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 10:14 AM Apr 2018

UPDATED: Kim Says He'll Give Up Weapons if U.S. Promises Not to Invade

Source: The New York Times




President Moon Jae-in of South Korea, right, toasting on Friday with Kim Jong-un, the leader of North Korea, center, and Mr. Kim’s wife, Ri Sol-ju, in the border village of Panmunjom. Credit Pool photo

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong-un, told President Moon Jae-in of South Korea when they met that he would abandon his nuclear weapons if the United States would agree to formally end the Korean War and promise that it would not invade his country, a South Korean government spokesman said Sunday.

In a faith-building gesture ahead of a summit meeting with President Trump, Mr. Kim also said he would invite experts and journalists from South Korea and the United States to watch the shutdown next month of his country’s only known underground nuclear test site.

The comments by Mr. Kim were made on Friday when the leaders of the two Koreas met at Panmunjom, a village on their shared border, the spokesman, Yoon Young-chan, said on Sunday, providing additional details of the meeting.

“I know the Americans are inherently disposed against us, but when they talk with us, they will see that I am not the kind of person who would shoot nuclear weapons to the south, over the Pacific or at the United States,” Mr. Kim told Mr. Moon, according to Mr. Yoon’s account of the meeting.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/29/world/asia/north-korea-trump-nuclear.html?emc=edit_na_20180429&nl=breaking-news&nlid=77905747ing-news&ref=cta&mtrref=undefined



UPDATE:

Seoul: North Korea’s Kim Vows To Shut Nuke Test Site In May

By KIM TONG-HYUNG | April 29, 2018 9:27 am

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has vowed to shut down his country’s nuclear test site in May and disclose the process to experts and journalists from South Korea and the United States, Seoul’s presidential office said Sunday.

Kim also told South Korean President Moon Jae-in during their historic summit on Friday that the North would have no need to keep nuclear weapons if Washington commits to formally ending the 1950-53 Korean War and signs a non-aggression pact with Pyongyang, the presidential Blue House said.

While there are lingering questions about whether North Korea will ever decide to fully relinquish its nukes as it heads into negotiations with the United States, Kim’s comments qualify as the North’s most specific acknowledgment yet that denuclearization would constitute surrendering its weapons.

Seoul, which shuttled between Pyongyang and Washington to broker talks between Kim and President Donald Trump that are expected in May or June, has said Kim has expressed genuine interest in dealing away his nuclear weapons. But there has been skepticism because North Korea for decades has been pushing a concept of “denuclearization” that bears no resemblance to the American definition, vowing to pursue nuclear development unless Washington removes its troops and the nuclear umbrella defending South Korea and Japan.

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standingtall

(2,786 posts)
1. I would guess that means they will give of their nuclear weapons in exchange for
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 11:28 AM
Apr 2018

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for us removing all troops from South Korea. Not going to happen.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
2. Well, there's the proof he's just playing games
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 11:36 AM
Apr 2018

There is no way in hell he would give up their nukes on a promise from Trump. How can anyone be dumb enough to think Kim is that dumb, when Trump threatens to unilaterally withdraw from the Iran deal on a daily basis, even though they've abided by it?

Chemisse

(30,814 posts)
3. My first thought! He'd be a fool to believe any promise from Trump.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 11:53 AM
Apr 2018

This is all a long con. I don't know where it is going to end, but I can't fathom it will end will happiness and flowers for all.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
9. If we did, we would be unlikely to honor it
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 10:52 AM
Apr 2018

Look what happened after we normalized relations with Libya.

Second to nukes, having no diplomatic relations with us is probably the most effective way to avoid regime change.

We could do it without sending in troops too, just the usual mix of NGO's, mercenaries, and just enough locals to make it look organic.

IronLionZion

(45,484 posts)
12. This is why other countries laugh at Russia interfering in our election
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 12:28 PM
Apr 2018

because of the US's long history of doing toppling governments and installing friendly dictators to support US corporate interests. Many countries don't trust the US.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
16. connecting dots can get you accused of "whataboutism"
Tue May 1, 2018, 04:24 PM
May 2018

Context has somehow become a sin in some circles.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
4. Talk to the Native Americans about our promises and treaties.
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 01:54 PM
Apr 2018

I think Un would be a fool to shut it all down. That didn't go well for Hussain in Iraq or Kadaffi in Libya.

These overtures make me even more suspicious there is something seriously wrong/bad going on in his nuke program. I wouldn't be surprised to find that the majority of his scientists were in a radiation accident or something similarly bad that makes continuing the program almost impossible.

Maeve

(42,287 posts)
5. What does the final goal look like?
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 02:33 PM
Apr 2018

They keep throwing around terms without definitions--"denuclearization" is one, but what about the fabled "unification"? Is Kim going to give up power and retire to some little farm somewhere? Or strip the treasury to retire in luxury? Or stick around and help run the new Korea? You have have a goal before you work toward it. (Yeah, I'm very skeptical of a change in the scenario that is older than I am and I'm over 60)

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
6. Oh, Trump will have none of that!
Sun Apr 29, 2018, 05:20 PM
Apr 2018

TRUMP: "If we have nukes, why can't we use them?"

Kim has pretty much chumped the President. He got what he wants, a place at the World table, and if Trump doesn't agree, he looks really bad.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
10. he's not as long as he has nukes. We have invaded before and now
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 10:54 AM
Apr 2018

we have leaders who don't have World War II or even the Korean War as a fresh memory to restrain them.

Maxheader

(4,373 posts)
15. Good point that..
Mon Apr 30, 2018, 01:26 PM
Apr 2018

Unfortunately many need fresh memories. Possibly
this country can make the connection between all
the pain and suffering from the iraq invasion..it ain't
pretty.

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