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UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:38 AM Apr 2018

In 'protest suicide,' lawyer famed for gay rights cases burns himself to death in New York

Source: LA Times

A prominent lawyer known for his impassioned advocacy for LGBT rights and environmental issues doused himself with an accelerant and burned himself to death in a New York City park on Saturday to protest ecological destruction caused by fossil fuels.

The charred body of David Buckel was discovered by police officers, who were initially dispatched to Prospect Park around 6:10 a.m. to investigate what appeared to be a brush fire, police said.

A New York Police Department spokesman said a note was found at the scene and foul play quickly ruled out.
The Daily News reported that Buckel left a handwritten note that said, "My name is David Buckel and I just killed myself by fire as a protest suicide. I apologize to you for the mess."

Buckel also left a longer, typed note and sent a copy to the Daily News, which quoted the note at length. "My early death by fossil fuel reflects what we are doing to ourselves." He added that he hoped that his demise was "an honorable death that might serve others."

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-lawyer-suicide-20180414-story.html



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In 'protest suicide,' lawyer famed for gay rights cases burns himself to death in New York (Original Post) UpInArms Apr 2018 OP
My gawd Ligyron Apr 2018 #1
Oh, god! GreenPartyVoter Apr 2018 #2
Oh my. bucolic_frolic Apr 2018 #3
Too sad for words. Glorfindel Apr 2018 #4
R.I.P. Marthe48 Apr 2018 #5
That is what I was thinking. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #8
How terrible. What passion sinkingfeeling Apr 2018 #6
Buckel must have had severe mental issues MichMan Apr 2018 #7
Do the Tibetan monks that immolate themselves have mental health problems? NickB79 Apr 2018 #10
Yes Renoir Apr 2018 #12
Predicated on what objective evidence? LanternWaste Apr 2018 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #20
Different cultural context - here, Im afraid such an act just inspires revulsion and sadness, or Kashkakat v.2.0 Apr 2018 #19
Not at all surprising that's the only conclusion you're able to arrive at. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #15
I'm sure we all know people who have set fire to themselves as a form of protest MichMan Apr 2018 #18
When someone commits suiside Lokilooney Apr 2018 #9
I don't want to diminish his death Marthe48 Apr 2018 #11
Yes, he accomplished nothing by doing this Renoir Apr 2018 #13
And engages even more discussion about what is being protested. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #17
Terribly sad. But he wanted his death to lead us Hortensis Apr 2018 #14

Marthe48

(17,015 posts)
5. R.I.P.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 09:58 AM
Apr 2018

I hope he prepared himself so he didn't endure prolonged physical suffering. He must have endured mental and emotional suffering for too long.

BigmanPigman

(51,626 posts)
8. That is what I was thinking.
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 06:46 PM
Apr 2018

Burning alive is one of the most painful, long, agonizing deaths known to humans.

NickB79

(19,258 posts)
10. Do the Tibetan monks that immolate themselves have mental health problems?
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 10:57 PM
Apr 2018

Last edited Mon Apr 16, 2018, 07:49 PM - Edit history (1)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. Predicated on what objective evidence?
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 05:15 PM
Apr 2018

Predicated on what objective evidence?

(bias doesn't count as objective evidence, by the way...)

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #16)

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,752 posts)
19. Different cultural context - here, Im afraid such an act just inspires revulsion and sadness, or
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 06:56 PM
Apr 2018

even worse, indifference. Im afraid that there will be some who will consider it an example of "far loony left" behavior and nothing more..... would be sad if this man's act was just be written off by history as just another Ted Kaczinkski.

In N Ireland political martyrdom took the form of fasting to starvation and death(during the 80s protesting the treatment of political prisoners) but that kinda fit the Catholic culture (we know all about martyrs) and the whole country was either in support of the hunger strikers or at least knew about them cos their pics were plastered all over.

Or maybe its just a matter of numbers. If theres just one of you, you're mentally ill. If there's a bunch of you, then its a movement.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. Not at all surprising that's the only conclusion you're able to arrive at.
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 05:15 PM
Apr 2018

Not at all surprising that's the only conclusion you're able to arrive at.

MichMan

(11,960 posts)
18. I'm sure we all know people who have set fire to themselves as a form of protest
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 06:29 PM
Apr 2018

Sane rational people do it all the time

Lokilooney

(322 posts)
9. When someone commits suiside
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 08:28 PM
Apr 2018

As a protest against something that leaves one less person to carry on said protest.

Marthe48

(17,015 posts)
11. I don't want to diminish his death
Sun Apr 15, 2018, 11:04 PM
Apr 2018

but I thought that his passion must be making a difference, and he didn't think it was enough.

 

Renoir

(8 posts)
13. Yes, he accomplished nothing by doing this
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 01:48 AM
Apr 2018

Instead of fighting for his cause, he removed himself from it. And fossil fuel will be used at the same rate and volume today as yesterday.

Of course, to kill yourself by fire, you have to have deeper mental problems and underlying issues. Most people who think we should use less fossil fuels have never contemplated anything remotely similar as a "solution" - me included.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. And engages even more discussion about what is being protested.
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 05:17 PM
Apr 2018

And engages even more discussion about what is being protested.

As evidenced by both this thread and your reponse.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Terribly sad. But he wanted his death to lead us
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 07:39 AM
Apr 2018

to think about what's happening to our planet.

Global warming is accelerating, with tragic losses occurring on giant scales already, plus frightening, sickening prospects for ourselves during our lifetimes. Much of the U.S. has basically lost spring -- again. When this extreme-effect winter finally goes, summer will start heating up.

It's not hard to see how an ardent spirit too immersed in these realities to be able to protect himself from them could come to feel this despairing gesture was the most he had left to contribute.

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